Psychic Made Stunning Sniper Predictions

NewsMax.com ^ | 10/29/02 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[kattracks]

NewsMax rarely discusses paranormal things, and we give short shrift to such out-of-this-world wisdom -- even if CNN’s Larry King has mainstreamed psychics.

True, most psychics are quacks or frauds who like to make big after-the-fact claims and cash in on their fame.

But one apparently isn’t.

Her name is Elizabeth Baron.

A self-described "spiritualist" from Charleston, S.C., Baron offered a series of stunning insights into the recent sniper attacks around Washington.

Some of them were recorded on radio before the snipers were captured, making her claims more than credible.

Soon after the spree killings began on Oct. 2, Baron claimed that there was indeed an Islamic connection to the killings.

She also said – contrary to the many "profilers" spouting off – that the killings were being conducted by more than one individual.

She stated that a group of as many as five individuals were involved, although all did not do the killings themselves.

Baron also insists that an unidentified woman is involved.

Interestingly, Baron may have had a premonition of the attacks in April of this year. At that time she faxed a letter to a friend close to the FBI, indicating that Maryland was in danger and needed to be protected.

Days before the shooting of the man at the Ponderosa steak house in Ashland, Va., Baron said she had received the message "They will surrender in Richmond."

Ashland is a suburb of Richmond. According to press reports police have said that they almost captured Muhammad and Malvo at a pay phone in Richmond soon after the Ashland shooting.

Baron believes that the shooting in the Richmond area gave the police the evidence and clues they needed to help solve the case.

On Oct. 21, Baron said she began intense prayer to help her define the killer. She penciled a sketch of a very young man she believed was black or Hispanic.

She received another message: The man is with another man and they are driving a blue car.

All of that sounds rather fantastic and fabricated.

It might have been dismissed as such had it not been recorded for posterity on a national radio program.

On Tuesday, Oct. 22, Baron was an early morning guest on Phil Paleologos’ morning talk radio show "American Breakfast," broadcast on Cable Radio Network.

Paleologos told NewsMax he remains in awe of Baron’s prediction and revelations two days before the arrest of Muhammad and Malvo, before anyone even knew who was doing these killings.

"She came on my show and said, 'The Feds are on a wild goose chase; there is no white van involved, there is a blue car,'" Paleologos recalled, adding that Baron also made clear the killings involved a group and not one person.

"But she was really emphatic about this blue vehicle," Paleologos said, who noted that the only talk at the time had been of a white van.

When news broke late Wednesday night into Thursday morning that Muhammad and Malvo were suspects and may be driving a blue Caprice -- one they were later captured in – Paleologos was stunned.

The next day, he called Baron and played her on-air interview from days before, and congratulated her.

Paleologos says in all of his years on radio, Baron is the only person he has interviewed who he believes has true spiritual, psychic abilities.

"She has a gift. It's a blessing to have this, to help solve these cases and right wrongs," Paleologos told NewsMax. He said she is different in many ways from other psychics, and that she is not motivated by fame or fortune.

Baron, the mother of seven children, is the widow of a former Chicago-area police chief.

Baron has been issuing warnings about Islamic terrorism for several years. Since 1996, she has been saying that several nations, including Iraq and Iran, were helping to plan a major terrorist attack in lower Manhattan, specifically noting the New York Stock Exchange and the World Trade Center as targets.

In recent months, Baron says she has received some warnings about President Bush and Vice President Cheney, which she has passed on to federal authorities. She wouldn’t disclose the full details of these revelations publicly.

On another matter, asked if Steve Hatfill had anything to do with the anthrax attacks, she said, "It’s an absolute lie." Still, she added, the FBI is trying to find something on him to justify its investigation and actions against him.

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[The Grim Freeper]

King Saul consulted a psychic. God removed His Spirit from him.

[discostu]

And this my FRiends is wy Dante gave "psychics" special attention in hell. Observe:

Days before the shooting of the man at the Ponderosa steak house in Ashland, Va., Baron said she had received the message "They will surrender in Richmond."

This is the actual prediction. Notice the verb and the location. "Surrender", not "shoot someone", not "screw up", not "leave the important final clues"; "surrender". And "in Richmond", not "near Richmond", not "in a suburb of Richmond"; "in Richmond".

Ashland is a suburb of Richmond. According to press reports police have said that they almost captured Muhammad and Malvo at a pay phone in Richmond soon after the Ashland shooting.

Now here comes the fudge (wasn't that a sketch on Laugh-In?). The true believers are turning a direct and clearly constructed statement into vagueries right before your very eyes. "Surrender" has become "shoot somebody and almost get caught" and "in Richmond" has become "in and around Richmond including but not limited to the suburb of Ashland" (wonder if the citizens of Ashland consider themselves a suburb?).

Baron believes that the shooting in the Richmond area gave the police the evidence and clues they needed to help solve the case.

And the coupe de grace as the "predictor" finishes the fudge and explains why this unmistakable "miss" (as they say in the parlance) is actually a "hit"... if only you're willing to believe.

The article is filled with this dreck, vaguaries that could maybe sort of describe the situation if you're feeling generous being touted as brilliantly accurate predictions. Hooey. that's called playing the odds. I'm willing to give her credit for going the terrorist angle when most of the experts (including this layman) were still thinking normal serial killer. But there were plenty of people on FR going the same route, and they're not psychics (heck some of the people on that list think every stinky fart is a terrorist plot, good thing they don't hang out with me).

Remember kids, if they were a real psychic they wouldn't need your money, they'd make their living at the nearest Indian casino or OTB parlor. Heck, do you have any idea what a $2 bet in Vegas in March that the Angels would win the Series would have paid off? That's predicting the future.

[Dan Day]

Although there ARE a multitude of frauds who claim to have psychic abilities, there ARE some who DO actually have that gift.

Uh huh. Sure there are. Whatever you say.

Hey, wanna buy this neat bridge?

There is much more to this Universe that we don't fully understand, and to dismiss that which we don't fully understand as impossible is counter productive to discovery.

I don't "dismiss that which we don't fully understand". What I do dismiss are starry-eyed claims which have been proven, time and time and time again, to be the work of frauds or nutcases.

Not a single "psychic" has ever demonstrated any actual abilities under proper testing (where "proper" is defined as testing done carefully enough to exclude the possibility of fraud or wishful thinking on the part of the testers). Period.

[Dan Day]

"have not panned out (e.g. "five people" involved"

We don't know that yet.

Did you miss the significance of my very next point?

2. People who "want to believe" will give them the benefit of the doubt on things which fail to match, and/or "stretch to fit" ("aha, there *might* be five people involved, we just didn't catch them all!")

[xm177e2]

The only thing funnier on this thread than people believing she's a real psychic is people believing she's a witch.

[kms61]

If Nesmax is implying that everyone but Mrs Baron was saying it was a lone gunman, they're wrong. I heard many profilers ane other LE officials say that they couldn't rule out multiple shooters.

Maybe there's something to this, maybe not, but it looks like Newsmax is injecting a whole lot of hype into the story.

[kms61]

If Newsmax is implying that everyone but Mrs Baron was saying it was a lone gunman, they're wrong. I heard many profilers ane other LE officials say that they couldn't rule out multiple shooters.

Maybe there's something to this, maybe not, but it looks like Newsmax is injecting a whole lot of hype into the story.

[kms61]

If Newsmax is implying that everyone but Mrs Baron was saying it was a lone gunman, they're wrong. I heard many profilers ane other LE officials say that they couldn't rule out multiple shooters.

Maybe there's something to this, maybe not, but it looks like Newsmax is injecting a whole lot of hype into the story.

[AmericaUnited]

Yes, the Bible also is replete with those who pray to demons.

Cite me a verse if you can.

I can list hundreds of verses. It's clear you know little about this subject. All of those who pray to pagan gods are praying to "demonic" entities.

BTW, do you think the Book of Revelations was written by someone who prayed to demons?

No, but once again this question shows your basic confusion on these topic.

[kms61]

Sorry for the inadvertent multiple posts

[AmericaUnited]

Leviticus 19:26 "You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying.

Deuteronomy 18:10-11 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.

Ii Kings 17:16-17 They forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God and made for themselves molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal. Then they made their sons and their daughters pass through the fire, and practiced divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him.

What part of this don't you understand?

[FormerLurker]

Heaven is up.

Which way is that? Up to you is down to someone on the opposite side of the Earth you know, or do you still think it's heretical to claim that the Earth isn't flat?

Hell would be down towards the firey core of the earth for this threads purposes.

And there lives a bad little guy with horns and a pitchfork poking nasty souls forever?

Sorry to be so fascicious, but I find it highly amusing that there are those who believe that to be true, yet they disbelieve what is plainly visible in various instances and attach evil conatations to those things they don't understand. For instance, in the past science was thought of as witchcraft, and those who were bold enough to speak the truth about what they knew were excommunicated or worse.

In this case, here's a meek little lady whose only "sin" was to attempt to bring attention to the killers who were murdering innocent people. I don't find that to be evil.

Evil, satan, the devil, call it what you will, it is not up or down. It is all around us, just as God is all around us (and within us). It is what we choose to do that decides who we serve.

I find it astounding that there have been several threads here on FR where TRUE satatinic activity has been mentioned, yet it hardly draws any responses whatsover. In fact, there are some apparently satanic individuals who have posted their thoughts, but there's but few if any of "God's People" on that thread rebutting the person who is spouting off on how satanism is a good thing.

Instead, some people choose to accuse and judge a woman who simply has a gift that she's used in an attempt to help people. I find that disturbing.

[FormerLurker]

King Saul consulted a psychic. God removed His Spirit from him.

Could you please give us the verse within the Old Testament that describes that?

[FormerLurker]

Hey, wanna buy this neat bridge?

Only if you give me a loan to buy it along with the deed.

Not a single "psychic" has ever demonstrated any actual abilities under proper testing (where "proper" is defined as testing done carefully enough to exclude the possibility of fraud or wishful thinking on the part of the testers). Period.

Wrong.

CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing At Stanford Research Institute

[Dan Day]

"e.g. "five people" involved). "

We know Muhammed had a girl friend; the boy a Mother who has been newsworthy; and there was Malvo. . .and the five could just be; people in and out of 'this scene' without being directly involved in the murders per se.

You, too, seem to not have grasped the point of my second observation:

2. People who "want to believe" will give them the benefit of the doubt on things which fail to match, and/or "stretch to fit" ("aha, there *might* be five people involved, we just didn't catch them all!")

Wow, I "predicted" the arguments of at least two people in this thread -- am I psychic too?

You can go to great lengths to deny psychic abilities - mental gymnastics such as the 'Amazing Randy' performs;

The man's name is James Randi, not "Randy". And clearly if you aren't familiar enough with his work to get his name right, you haven't actually read his points well enough to properly rebut them.

And Mr. Randi's debunking involves no "mental gymnastics" at all. His debunking is as simple and unarguable as:

1. Exposing the quacks' parlor tricks. For example he arranged for a friend with electronics know-how to eavesdrop on and tape Peter Popoff's hidden radio earpiece, revealing that his "Gift of Knowledge" routine was actually Popov's wife backstage feeding him information from the faithful's pre-show audience interviews and submitted prayer cards. ("The Faith Healers", chapter 9).

2. "Sting" operations. For example he has an associate who has been "cured" by four different "healers", in six different cities, of six different diseases which he never had in the first place. The most classic was the time he was dressed as a woman and the faith-healer was told by the Almighty that he needed to be "cured" of uterine cancer(!), and then the quack "healed" "her" on the spot and commanded her to walk -- which was no big effort, because the quack's ushers had purposely placed "her" in a rented wheelchair as "she" *walked* into the auditorium "for her comfort". THEY KNEW (S)HE COULD WALK, but had staged it to look like a miraculous healing which allowed the crippled to walk.

3. A long-standing challenge to "put up or shut up". Since 1968, Mr. Randi has offered large sums of money ($10,000 in the beginning, today over $1,000,000) to *anyone* who could simply demonstrate their "paranormal" ability in a controlled setting, agreed upon by the claimant. The requirements aren't difficult, they simply require the claimant to actually demonstrate their ability, in front of independent testers, in a way that precludes fakery. Countless have tried -- all have failed. The often amusing results are documented in his book "Flim Flam!".

Many more have run screaming from the challenge, offering various kinds of lame excuses, including variations on:

-- I can't afford to be in a higher tax bracket.
-- I'm already rich.
-- I don't want the money; I'm totally spiritual.
-- You wouldn't pay me the money, anyway.
-- It's all a lie; there is no prize.
-- It's a trap by the CIA to identify and murder me.
-- The prize comes from the CIA (or from the communists).
-- God told me not to get into it.
-- If I win, you'll have me killed to save the money.
-- You'll put out negative vibes to inhibit my powers.
-- Since you're a trickster, you'll fool me somehow.
-- It's too much money.
-- It's not enough money.
-- I want the money in a pile, in cash, (or a certified check) before I try.

Or others have "accepted" the challenge, then never seem to "get around to" actually taking it. On Randi's website he has the "Sylvia Browne Clock", showing how many days it has been since the "psychic" Ms. Browne accepted the challenge on Larry King Live -- it's up to 422 days and counting.

but it does not change the 'fact' that our senses define our reality; and some people have sharper senses than others.

So... This "proves" that some people can be psychic? Color me unimpressed by your reasoning.

. . .sort of like trying to read a message written in the sand; or even asking someone with glasses to help. . .

Using glasses to correct flawed vision is a far cry from being able to read minds, see the future, or divine the unseen.

. .and like the message in 'sand writing', the truth of the matter and it's possibilities, are constantly shifting and changing; being altered by winds of time. . .

All join hands for a chorus of "Kumbayaa"...

[FormerLurker]

I can list hundreds of verses. It's clear you know little about this subject.

There are those who worship and promote evil, not demons. Those who dabble in the occult may try to "invoke" demons, but they aren't "praying" to them. In actuality, the word "demon" is derived from the Latin word daemon, which translates to the word spirit in English. So basically, the "demons" that you refer to are in actuality evil spirits. Ironically, the word in ancient times meant "divine power", as in the Greek version of the word.

From Dictionary.com

de·mon   Pronunciation Key  (dmn)
n.

1. An evil supernatural being; a devil.
2. A persistently tormenting person, force, or passion: the demon of drug addiction.
3. One who is extremely zealous, skillful, or diligent: worked away like a demon; a real demon at math.
4. Variant of daimon.

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[Middle English, from Late Latin daemn, from Latin, spirit, from Greek daimn, divine power. See d- in Indo-European Roots.]

You are aware of the fact that both the New and Old Testaments were translated from Greek aren't you? Have you ever heard of the Septuagint?

All of those who pray to pagan gods are praying to "demonic" entities.

Although they may represent false gods, they are not necessarily demonic in nature.

[FormerLurker]

BTW, do you think the Book of Revelations was written by someone who prayed to demons?

No, but once again this question shows your basic confusion on these topic.

But if seeing into the future or having visions is an evil thing, then why do you believe the Book of Revelations to be of God?

[Ditter]

I might agree with you that psychics are fakes, if I had not had a friend years ago who had psychic dreams. She didn't know how to manage this gift/curse. When I knew her, her revelations never involved any big earth shaking events. I was a part of several incidents which she had told me about before they happened, her husband confirmed many more. Every dream was not a precognitive dream & until something happened she didn't know which were & which were not a revelation. I moved away & the friendship ended. To be quite honest, it was difficult being her friend & I was just as happy that it ended. Years later I heard her being interviewed on the radio. I turned it off.