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McVeigh Defense Investigator Questions Senator's Probe
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 10/30/02 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 10/30/2002 3:01:42 AM PST by kattracks

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - An investigator who assisted in the appeal of Timothy McVeigh's conviction for the Oklahoma City bombing, disputes claims by a former television reporter that former members of the Iraqi military were involved in the 1995 attack.

Investigator Cate McCauley says the claims made by Jayna Davis, the former TV reporter, are "easily refutable."

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) met Oct. 10 with Davis, a former investigative reporter for an Oklahoma City television station, about an alleged connection between McVeigh and foreign terrorists. Specter told Davis her claim "warrants an inquiry."

"We will pursue it," Specter said, after hearing a one-hour presentation from Davis.

"We will send it over to the FBI and we will continue to look at it," he told Davis during the meeting, which was broadcast live on the Michael Smerconish talk show on "1210 The Big Talker," WPHT radio in Philadelphia.

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Davis presented Specter with 22 notarized statements from Oklahoma residents who have identified eight Middle Eastern men, allegedly former Iraqi soldiers, who the witnesses claim collaborated with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in the bombing plot.

But McCauley, a licensed private investigator who was appointed by the U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado to assist with McVeigh's appeal, had harsh criticism for Davis' claims.

"This is perhaps the worst case of misinformation and pandering I have ever seen in this case," McCauley said of Davis' meeting with Specter. "Davis' theories were dismissed long ago for very good reasons."

McCauley said she is speaking out because Davis' contact with Specter means that taxpayers' money is now being "wasted" to re-investigate the allegations. She also noted that a gag order on everyone involved with the investigation was lifted after McVeigh's 2001 execution, so she is free to discuss details that she could not disclose in the past.

The McVeigh appellate team spent months pouring over all of the case files, reports and memoranda from the original investigation prior to filing its appeal in March of 2000. That process included reviewing 42,000 leads phoned in to the toll-free tip line set up just after the bombing, and the 20,000-plus FBI "302s," lead sheets generated from those tips.

Who Was John Doe #2?

"Seven of those witnesses place Hussain Al-Hussaini in the company of Timothy McVeigh, riding in the Ryder truck, the morning of the bombing, stepping out of that truck at ground zero, directly in front of the federal building moments before the massive fertilizer bomb exploded and speeding away from downtown in a brown Chevrolet pickup that matched the FBI's all points bulletin for foreign suspects that morning," Davis told Specter during their Oct. 10 meeting.

But McCauley told CNSNews.com the trial court and the FBI heard from those witnesses, as well.

"There are witnesses who I'm aware of on that list, who changed their testimony over time or, in the case of [a particular witness], were terribly traumatized and confused by the bombing," McCauley said. "If you go through the list of these witnesses, you will find things that have changed, or you will find people that are saying they had seen McVeigh when McVeigh was hundreds of miles away."

Mike Moroz, who claimed he had seen Al-Hussaini with McVeigh in the infamous Ryder truck used in the bombing, was one of the witnesses cited by Davis.

"In an affidavit, Mike Moroz, a worker at Johnny's Tire Service, a few blocks from the Murrah Building, said that at about 8:30 a.m. on April 19, the day of the bombing, McVeigh pulled up in his Ryder truck and asked for directions," the LA Weekly reported in a Sept. 28, 2001 story on Davis. "He insisted there was another man sitting in the truck cab. Moroz told Davis he had picked McVeigh out of a live FBI lineup. He also said Al-Hussaini, as shown in one of KFOR's surveillance photos, could have been the man he saw."

But, according to FBI records, McCauley claims Moroz did not positively identify McVeigh.

"The FBI questioned Moroz immediately after the bombing. He was one of four people asked to participate in a live line-up. Moroz picked two men, one of which was McVeigh," she explained. "In the world of eyewitness identification, that would be considered a miss."

Davis acknowledged that Moroz identified two people from the line-up, but said the FBI "302" from the session indicated that he "leaned strongly" toward the "real McVeigh." The line-up, Davis alleged, was comprised of McVeigh and three soldiers from a nearby Army fort, whose appearance was almost identical to McVeigh's.

McCauley said the person Davis claimed was Al-Hussaini was later identified as Todd Bunting, an Army private who was at the Ryder rental office almost exactly 24 hours after McVeigh rented the truck used in the bombing. His physical appearance - including a distinctive tattoo on his arm - is identical to the description and sketch of John Doe #2.

FBI Refusal to Accept Witness Affidavits

Davis claimed she tried to surrender the 22 witness statements and corroborating documentation she uncovered to the FBI in 1997, but requested that agents sign a notarized receipt for the evidence. She said, after consulting with "the legal department," they refused to accept the documents.

McCauley said that's not the entire story.

"There's something missing from the story about why the FBI refused [Davis'] information," she said. "When Ms. Davis walked off her job at KFOR in March 1997 she took her materials. The station sued her in order to retrieve what they considered their property."

FBI Agent Dan Vogel told the LA Weekly in a Sept. 28, 2001, interview that the litigation made agents wary of accepting the documents.

"I was told we gave the affidavits back to her because there was some question of ownership," he said, "whether she or KFOR had legal rights to the material."

In an Oct 29, 2002, letter to Specter, Davis stated that "I interviewed the witnesses and drafted the summary reports on my own time with my personal resources and computer equipment ... ownership of the documents the FBI refused to receive from me in 1997 was never in dispute before the court. Once again, I compiled the dossier after leaving the station."

'She's Standing on the Graves of Thousands'

"What Ms. Davis has been running around with for the past number of years, I think, is just not complete. It's factually incorrect," McCauley charged. "I think that there are many good answers to these questions and I think she's whipping up a frenzy for whatever reason, I don't know. But, I don't like the fact that she's standing on the graves of thousands of people."

McCauley said that, while she knows Davis' information is incorrect, she does not question the former reporter's motives.

"She's like a lot of people who got attached to a very small package of information and has convinced herself that this is right and this is just," McCauley speculated. "But they simply don't have all the information or, it seems, the discipline necessary to go through investigative material.

"You can't cling to things you want," McCauley concluded, "and ignore the things you don't like."

Davis told CNSNews.com that she stands by the information she has collected and the witnesses she has interviewed.

"I think that there's other evidence that refutes what Cate McCauley is putting forth," Davis said. "Her credentials are highly suspect. She worked very long for the Charles Key investigation."

McCauley was the executive director of an investigation lead by Oklahoma State Rep. Charles Key from 1997 to 1999.

"It became apparent that [members of Key's committee] refused to look at certain evidence that didn't fit their theories," McCauley explained. "In March 1999, I resigned from Key's committee because they were going to publish falsehoods, which I flatly refused to take part in."

Sen. Specter's office did not return calls seeking information about the status of his requests to the FBI.

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1 posted on 10/30/2002 3:01:42 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
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2 posted on 10/30/2002 3:16:39 AM PST by ffrancone
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To: kattracks; honway; Fred Mertz; Lion's Cub; NancyDrew
McCauley said the person Davis claimed was Al-Hussaini was later identified as Todd Bunting, an Army private who was at the Ryder rental office almost exactly 24 hours after McVeigh rented the truck used in the bombing. His physical appearance - including a distinctive tattoo on his arm - is identical to the description and sketch of John Doe #2.

McCauley's statement is totally unbelievable.

3 posted on 10/30/2002 5:07:10 AM PST by thinden
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To: Alamo-Girl; Gary Aldrich; amom; archy; aristeides; anymouse; AtticusX; backhoe; baseballmom; ...
I know Cate McCauley personally, -- and worked with her while she was Executive Director of OKBIC. She has totally changed her story since then.

You should have heard her sound off on her discoveries re the "scary" Middle Eastern connection back before she started corresponding (and flirting) with "Timmy"!

Big I Can't Believe This! BUMP!!!

TXnMA (No Longer!!!)

4 posted on 10/30/2002 5:28:44 AM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
You have a chance for some (exclusive) news if you can interview her now and try to find out what has been going on with her.

BTW - no facts are given above by McCauley, only attacks.

5 posted on 10/30/2002 5:49:06 AM PST by flamefront
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To: TXnMA
I know Cate McCauley personally,

I don't know if I'd want a lot of people to know that.

6 posted on 10/30/2002 6:11:59 AM PST by thinden
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To: kattracks
McCauley raises enough doubts that, if Hussain Al-Hussaini were before a court of laws, he might well be acquitted.

However, she does not make a case for dismissing the notion out of hand as being no more credible than space alien abductions and Elvis sightings.

7 posted on 10/30/2002 6:19:57 AM PST by steve-b
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To: kattracks
"Davis' theories were dismissed long ago for very good reasons."

I'm sure that 'because they don't agree with the party line' is sufficiently good reason to Ms. McCauley.

8 posted on 10/30/2002 6:36:38 AM PST by norton
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To: *OKCbombing; glorygirl
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
9 posted on 10/30/2002 6:39:44 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: thinden; Nancie Drew; AtticusX
Thanks for the flag!
10 posted on 10/30/2002 7:54:46 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Alamo-Girl; Gary Aldrich; amom; archy; aristeides; anymouse; AtticusX; backhoe; baseballmom; ...
I just spoke with Jayna Davis on the telephone, and she (understandably) is disturbed by some of the statements attributed to Cate McCauley in this article. (Thanks, Nancie Drew!)

I agree with thinden that: McCauley's statement is totally unbelievable.

...and with flamefront that: BTW - no facts are given above by McCauley, only attacks.

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I know that many of you -- as I do -- admire and appreciate the long years of persistent work Jayna Davis has done -- gathering evidence and struggling to get someone to act upon it. And I can tell by your comments that many of you are hoping and praying that Specter or Burton -- or someone in authority -- will finally take action on all the evidence Jayna has gathered on the ME/OKC connection.

IMHO, Jayna (along with her evidence) constitutes America's best hope of peeling back the sham of lies that the FBI and the OK government have smeared over the bombing of the MFB.

If any of you on the (lengthy) "OKC Ping List" feel so led, I'm sure that Jayna would appreciate a supportive e-mail to her at jayna@jaynadavis.com. And, if you haven't done so already, why not visit Jayna's website at http://www.jaynadavis.com ...

It's time to FReep Jayna with a BIG show of FR support! Let Jayna know that she has lot of FReepers rooting for her!

TXnMA (No Longer!!!)

11 posted on 10/30/2002 1:29:37 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
The article is totally unconvincing. Sounds like a pro forma smear job, the only "credibility" being it comes from a supposed investigator. Makes me more curious about the connections.
12 posted on 10/30/2002 2:59:40 PM PST by Shermy
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To: TXnMA
The article is totally unconvincing. Sounds like a pro forma smear job, the only "credibility" being it comes from a supposed investigator. Makes me more curious about the connections.
13 posted on 10/30/2002 3:06:33 PM PST by Shermy
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To: kattracks
But, I don't like the fact that she's standing on the graves of thousands of people."

Thousands???? Is she lumping 9/11 together with OKC?

14 posted on 10/30/2002 3:17:56 PM PST by Ditto
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To: kattracks; thinden; TXnMA; flamefront; steve-b; norton; Free the USA; Fred Mertz; Ditto
"This is perhaps the worst case of misinformation and pandering I have ever seen in this case," McCauley said.

No, Cate. The worst case of misinformation might be the FBI's smear of Richard Jewell, or its smear of Dr. Hatfill, or its in-your-face denial of eighty people who saw a missile hit TWA Flight 800, or the media which now ignores sniper Mohammad's jihad motivation.

The McVeigh appellate team spent months pouring over all of the case files

"pouring"? Or "poring"? Cate is pouring cold water on Jayna Davis' facts--not "reading, studying attentively, pondering".

But, I don't like the fact that she's standing on the graves of thousands of people."

What "thousands", Cate? Quit smoking crack.

"You can't cling to things you want," McCauley concluded, "and ignore the things you don't like."

Cate, when you sober up, try taking your own advice.

The article is lazy journalism, putting a microphone in front of a homeless person at a bus stop who says she's Catherine the Great.

Gotta go with Jayna Davis for consistency, beating the street to get the story--and sticking to fact, not crack.

15 posted on 10/30/2002 5:55:37 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: kattracks
"We will send it over to the FBI and we will continue to look at it.."

Davis claimed she tried to surrender the 22 witness statements and corroborating documentation she uncovered to the FBI in 1997, but requested that agents sign a notarized receipt for the evidence. She said, after consulting with "the legal department," they refused to accept the documents.

FBI Agent Dan Vogel told the LA Weekly in a Sept. 28, 2001, interview that the litigation made agents wary of accepting the documents.

Sorry, this is gonna be a waste of time. The excuse given by the FBI doesn't pass the smell test.

16 posted on 10/30/2002 6:12:18 PM PST by lawdog
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To: kattracks
"We will send it over to the FBI and we will continue to look at it.."

Davis claimed she tried to surrender the 22 witness statements and corroborating documentation she uncovered to the FBI in 1997, but requested that agents sign a notarized receipt for the evidence. She said, after consulting with "the legal department," they refused to accept the documents.

FBI Agent Dan Vogel told the LA Weekly in a Sept. 28, 2001, interview that the litigation made agents wary of accepting the documents.

Sorry, this is gonna be a waste of time. The excuse given by the FBI doesn't pass the smell test.

17 posted on 10/30/2002 6:23:10 PM PST by lawdog
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To: TXnMA
It's real easy to resolve...Release the video tapes from the surveillance cameras! I mean, for crying out loud, even the surveillance camera tapes from the Pentagon attack have been released!
Until those tapes are released for viewing I consider the whole thing a great big project of CYA!
18 posted on 10/30/2002 7:15:14 PM PST by philman_36
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To: PhilDragoo
Bmp.
19 posted on 10/31/2002 5:29:16 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: kattracks
Investigator Cate McCauley says the claims made by Jayna Davis, the former TV reporter, are "easily refutable."

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) met Oct. 10 with Davis, a former investigative reporter for an Oklahoma City television station, about an alleged connection between McVeigh and foreign terrorists. Specter told Davis her claim "warrants an inquiry."

"We will pursue it," Specter said, after hearing a one-hour presentation from Davis.

Easily refutable? Apparently the Senior Senator from Pennsylvania is not in agreement with the former TV reporter.

Pushing forward this investigation could be the key to burying the Clintoon's influence forever!

bump...the Rats! Vote.

20 posted on 10/31/2002 7:56:37 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: thinden; Fred Mertz; TXnMA; kattracks; glorygirl; Shermy; PhilDragoo; lawdog
The ATF claimed that Alex McCauley, the resident agent in charge, was in an elevator when the bomb went off. He survived a free fall from the eighth to the third floor. McCauley escaped by breaking through the thick metal doors, and went on to rescue survivors in the stairwell.

If the ATF thought they could get away with this farrago, they had underestimated the 23-year-old redhead and her affable stepfather. Curiosity piqued, the Wilburns tried their hand as amateur sleuths. With the help of a freelance reporter, John (J.D.) Cash, Glenn contacted the Midwestern Elevator Co., the firm that had actually searched the elevators for survivors.

The first thing we did was split up and check, then double check, each elevator for occupants," explained Duane James, one of the engineers. "We found that five of the six elevators were frozen between floors, and a sixth had stopped near floor level.... We had to go in through the ceilings of the elevators to check for people.... All were empty."

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Does anyone know if there is a connection/relationship between "falling elevator" survivor ATF Agent Alex McCauley and the Jayna Davis critic Cate McCauley ?

21 posted on 10/31/2002 5:32:58 PM PST by honway
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To: TXnMA
BTTT
22 posted on 10/31/2002 5:42:37 PM PST by Marianne
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To: All
There appears to be more federal operatives in the "I am an expert on the real OKC bombing story" gang than there were in Elohim City and the Montana Militia combined.

In my opinion, Cate McCauley has been working for the FBI since her earliest involvement in the OKC bombing investigation. If an organization can infiltrate Elohim City(for example Carol Howe), how hard would it be to "infiltrate" an investigation committee? The feds have a history of using women in this effort.

23 posted on 10/31/2002 6:25:25 PM PST by honway
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To: honway
Does anyone know if there is a connection/relationship between "falling elevator" survivor ATF Agent Alex McCauley and the Jayna Davis critic Cate McCauley ?

That was one of the first questions I asked Cate McCauley when I started working with OKBIC; she swore (literally) and vehemently denied any connection...

24 posted on 10/31/2002 8:35:30 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: honway
...Midwestern Elevator Co., the firm that had actually searched the elevators for survivors. The first thing we did was split up and check, then double check, each elevator for occupants," explained Duane James, one of the engineers. "We found that five of the six elevators were frozen between floors, and a sixth had stopped near floor level.... We had to go in through the ceilings of the elevators to check for people.... All were empty."

The Midwest Elevator (Otis) inspectors also testified that NONE of the elevators had tripped override mechanisms -- that NO elevaotor in the MB "free-fell" on the day of the bombing.

Many of the photos I used in my section of the OKBIC Report were made by Oscar Johnson of Midwest Elevator during the time he and his staff operated the two working elevators for the rescue, etc. crews. I reviewed hundreds of Oscar's digital photos -- and we corresponded via e-mail over the span of a year or more. He told me -- personally -- that if Alex McCauley (ATF) and Dave Schickendanz (DEA) had actually free-fallen six floors, his staff would have found them still in the elevators -- "in a heap of broken bones".

The 'agents in the elevators' story was an absolute pack of lies -- yet the OK prosecutors managed to snow the OK Grand Jurors into believing this Fed farce. Just another measure of the worthlessness of the railroaded conclusions produced by that GJ...

25 posted on 10/31/2002 9:01:49 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
elevaotor elevator

Caught & fixed that same typo in a couple of other spots. Fingers aren't working right tonight -- must be Halloween or something...

26 posted on 10/31/2002 9:14:17 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: kattracks
RE :Cate McCauley

Research indicates she has definately changed her tune, like 180 degrees. I don't have a run down on her pedigree. Maybe a "stringer" ?

27 posted on 10/31/2002 9:25:17 PM PST by lawdog
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To: lawdog
Research indicates she has definately changed her tune, like 180 degrees. I don't have a run down on her pedigree. Maybe a "stringer" ?

No research needed -- I observed her personality change and attitude "flip" first hand.

It's 'way past bedtime amd I'm to tired to elaborate, but tomorrow I'll return to this thread and share with the OKC listers what transpired when she "turned her coat". (It wasn't pretty...)

Stringer? Plant? Fed Op? Hadn't seriously considered the possibilities -- until I read this article...

28 posted on 10/31/2002 9:35:23 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
to tired = too tired

Self-evident...G'nite, all...

29 posted on 10/31/2002 9:41:07 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
Look forward to your follow up. Good night.
30 posted on 10/31/2002 9:42:11 PM PST by lawdog
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To: TXnMA
This article was posted yesterday, but since the FR was slow for some reason, I think most people missed it. Anyway, I posted a lengthy comment there with some questions regarding the credibility of McCauley. Some of these have been answered on this thread, but I am pasting the comments I made yesterday because I am still wondering about some things.

From yesterday's thread: McVeigh Defense Investigator Questions Senator's Probe

Anyone know if this Cate McCauley is credible?

I checked some articles about the case and have some questions regarding her involvement in the case.
For example, this article says she is a licensed private investigator. But an article from AP - May 9, 2001 says she stopped working as a graphic designer in 1997 to investigate the case. She was a witness at McVeigh's execution.

Another interesting thing to note is that she was the former executive director of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigative Committtee (this is OK state rep. Charles Key's initiative) AND she was a former member of McVeigh's defense team as an investigator during the appeals process. The article above points out that she was appointed to assist in the defense of McVeigh during the appeals process. Anyone know when this appointment was made? She quit the OK Bombing Investigative Committee convinced that McVeigh, Nichols, and Fortier were the sole perps in the crime, saying that she would not support the conclusions of the committee (and Charles Key) that the bombing was initiated by a larger conspiracy perhaps involving foreign parties.

I am confused. If she quit the committee because she didn't agree there was a larger conspiracy afoot, and believed McVeigh was responsible, why would she be assigned to work as an investigator during his appeal?

Is anyone more familiar with this Cate McCauley's involvement in the case? Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time to track some of this stuff down, but my cursory search makes me wonder about her credibility. Who is more credible here, McCauley or Davis?

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Anyway, several of my questions have already been answered on this thread, but if anyone has some additional comments, I would love to hear them.

31 posted on 10/31/2002 11:17:48 PM PST by citizenK
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To: TXnMA; honway; rubbertramp; Fred Mertz; glorygirl; Plummz; Lion's Cub
It's 'way past bedtime amd I'm to tired to elaborate, but tomorrow I'll return to this thread and share with the OKC listers what transpired when she "turned her coat". (It wasn't pretty...)

please continue. nothing like 1st hand information.

32 posted on 11/01/2002 4:51:33 AM PST by thinden
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To: citizenK; TXnMA; honway
I am confused. If she quit the committee because she didn't agree there was a larger conspiracy afoot, and believed McVeigh was responsible, why would she be assigned to work as an investigator during his appeal?

amazing what a little money can buy these days.

33 posted on 11/01/2002 4:54:23 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden; Fred Mertz; TXnMA; kattracks; glorygirl; Shermy; PhilDragoo; lawdog; citizenK
From "Others Unknowm" by Stephen Jones p.290

"At 4:00 P.M., clearly afraid it was going to be either scooped or enjoined, The Dallas Morning News published the story on its internet webdite. It had "legally obtained" defense documents, it told a global audience, proving that McVeigh had confessed to a defense investigator. Now, if Timothy McVeigh had ever made a genuine admission of guilt, he would not make it, in passing, to an investigator; he would make it to me as his counsel."

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Anybody want to take a guess at who the "defense investigator" in question was?

34 posted on 11/01/2002 6:32:29 AM PST by honway
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To: thinden; Fred Mertz; TXnMA; kattracks; glorygirl; Shermy; PhilDragoo; lawdog; citizenK
This from the best source available on the complete OKC bombing picture:

"Kate McCauley at one time worked for Charles Keys Citizens Investigation Committee. But McCauley also worked with two other investigators who also once worked directly for State Rep Charles Key, JD Cash and Roger Charles. Cash and Charles had a very close working relationship with attorney Stephen Jones at one time. Just before the McVeigh trial Jones reported that very large quantities of computerized defense documents had been stolen. Jones stated publicly he thought he knew who stole the documents but Jones never publicly revealed who stole the documents."

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In his book, Jones goes out of his way to suggest that "X", the defense investigator that handed over thousands of defense documents to the Dallas Morning News was a male. Does anyone know if Roger Charles ever worked as a defense investigator for Jones? Jones states in his book that some of the defense investigators he hired were never known to the public.

35 posted on 11/01/2002 7:09:56 AM PST by honway
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To: citizenK; Nancie Drew; honway
Maybe FReeper Nancie Drew can answer some of your questions in #31.

Maybe she can address some of honway's insightful questions too.
36 posted on 11/01/2002 7:20:54 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: OKCSubmariner; thinden; Fred Mertz; TXnMA; kattracks; glorygirl; Shermy; PhilDragoo; lawdog; ...
http://www.jamesmadisonproject.org/rogercharles.htm

Roger Charles

Roger Charles

SUMMARY OF PERFORMANCE:

Award-winning investigative journalist, consultant and confidential advisor with unique experience in a broad range of national security affairs. Demonstrated areas of achievement are:

investigating military, intelligence and law enforcement activities at the national level when congressional oversight and media coverage had failed to get the story right;
uncovering human interest-stories where "the system" dealt in a grossly unfair and too-often deadly manner with American citizens, both civilians and Service members, and their families;
advising journalists and attorneys on sources and methods of investigating national security issues and incidents, especially those considered sensitive by the military and by law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITIES

June 1997 - Present. Free-lance journalist and investigator for: Oklahoma City Bombing Committee (August 1997-February 1998); ABC News (October 1997); National Security News Service (September 1998-March 2000); BBC news magazine Correspondent (October 1999-March 2000) as Assistant Producer, "The Other Lockerbie"; England & Company Entertainment Productions (January-March 2000), supporting web site for Paramount movie, "Rules of Engagement"; Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation, Ltd. (April 2000-present) - consultant for proposed series on Cold War military and intelligence operations.

March - June 1997. Defense investigator for Attorney Stephen Jones. Collected and analyzed information on the Oklahoma City bombing case (U.S.A. vs. McVeigh).

August 1996-February 1997. Free-lance investigative reporter with ABC News 20/20 for a special project (as assistant producer) on Oklahoma City bombing.

1993-1996. Investigative reporter, National Security News Service: Developed pieces for ABC News 20/20, ABC World News Tonight, ABC Nightline, ABC News Prime Time Live, CNN Prime News and 20 20 TV (British). Advised and supported numerous print and electronic media outlets, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, Newsweek, U.S. News & World Report, the New Yorker, CBS 60 Minutes and Frontline. Investigated and broke the story of Adm. Jeremy M. Boorda, Chief of Naval Operations, fraudulently wearing combat insignia.

1990-1993. Investigative reporter and consultant: Special Correspondent, Newsweek - Developed and co-authored cover story, "Sea of Lies" (July 13, 1992). Awarded "1993 Medal for Excellence in Investigative Reporting" by Investigative Reporters and Editors (I.R.E.); Consultant, ABC News (Nightline) Special Investigation which aired July 1, 1992, "The USS Vincennes: Public War, Secret War" (one of four finalists for 1992 Emmy for best investigative piece); Consultant, Analytical Systems Engineering Corporation - Senior analyst; developed operational and tactical scenarios for combat simulation models.

1967-1990: Career Marine Corps officer with a variety of field and staff assignments. Concentrations in intelligence and operations. Served as a staff officer in sensitive positions with both:

the Office of the Secretary of Defense (1987-1990) as program coordinator for Nonlethal Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and Tactical Intelligence And Related Activities. the Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1980-1982) as a Regional Desk Officer monitoring and evaluating military, diplomatic and intelligence activities in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa for the National Military Command Center, and as an Emergency Procedures Officer who reviewed and executed procedures for control of strategic nuclear forces by the National Command Authority. Held Top Secret clearance with access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), Extremely Sensitive Information (ESI) and a number of Special Access Programs.

Member, editorial board, Marine Corps Gazette (1987-1989).

Published in Newsweek, Insight, The Washington Times, The Baltimore Sun, The Chicago Tribune, Soldier of Fortune, Proceedings of the U.S. Naval Institute, and the Marine Corps Gazette.

EDUCATION

Georgetown University, M.A., National Security Studies, 1987
U.S. Naval War College (with Highest Distinction), 1981 Marine Corps Command and Staff College, 1980
U.S. Naval Academy, B.S., General Engineering & History, 1967

37 posted on 11/01/2002 7:48:05 AM PST by honway
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To: OKCSubmariner; thinden; Fred Mertz; TXnMA; kattracks; glorygirl; Shermy; PhilDragoo; lawdog
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/march97/mcveigh_3-3a.html

Link

CONFESSION CONTROVERSY

March 3, 1997
TRANSCRIPT

KWAME HOLMAN: The Dallas Morning News reported Friday that Timothy McVeigh confessed to the Oklahoma City bombing which killed 168 people and injured more than 500 others in April of 1995. The newspaper published the information first on its Web site then in an article in its Saturday edition. The paper’s reporter, Pete Slover, said he based the article on confidential notes taken by McVeigh’s defense team while meeting with him in jail. The article quoted McVeigh as saying he wanted a daytime attack on the Alfred Murrah Federal Building in order to ensure the body count

38 posted on 11/01/2002 7:59:12 AM PST by honway
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To: thinden
I agree, money can buy a lot of things...
but what are you implying here? Who paid who?
I am left with the impression that McCauley was assigned
to the McViegh defense investigation in order to ensure
McVeigh appears to be the only guilty party to the bombing.
39 posted on 11/01/2002 8:01:59 AM PST by citizenK
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To: OKCSubmariner; thinden; Fred Mertz; TXnMA; kattracks; glorygirl; Shermy; PhilDragoo; lawdog; ...
It appears that the famous "X" in the Stephen Jones book is Roger Charles. "X" turned over a laptop to the Dallas Morning News with thousands of defense documents, including sealed documents and FBI 302's and a supposed McVeigh confession. This was clearly a criminal act.

Investigated and broke the story of Adm. Jeremy M. Boorda, Chief of Naval Operations, fraudulently wearing combat insignia

There is substantial evidence suggesting Admiral Jeremy Boorda was murdered, not the least of which is that Admiral Boorda was found with two bullet holes in his chest,according to those that examined the body. The ridiculous cover story provided for the suicide of the ranking Admiral in the entire U.S. Navy was that years earlier he had worn a "V" device on two of his ribbons related to service in Vietnam improperly.Despite the fact the claim was bogus, the media bought it hook line and sinker. And now Roger Charles is taking credit for a bogus story that was as used to cover up the murder of the Chief of Naval Operations of the U.S. Navy.

Let me be more specific about the "V" device. Admiral Boorda served on a warship in the waters off the coast of Vietnam during the Vietnam War. The ship he was on participated in combat operations in unfriendly waters. This without question entitled Admiral Boorda to wear the Vietnam Service Medal ribbon. Roger Charles's claim is that because Admiral Boorda did not physically stand on Vietnam soil and only served in the unfriendly waters off the coast of Vietnam on a warship, he did not earn the right to wear the "V" device for valor on his ribbon.

The Charles claim and the media's feeding frenzy on the false claim is an insult to every man that has ever served on a warship performing combat operations in unfriendly waters. How many of our sailors have died on warships in unfriendly waters in a time of war? To suggest there is no valor in such service to our country exposes much more about Mr. Charles than it does about a true American hero, Admiral Jeremy "Mike" Boorda.

40 posted on 11/01/2002 8:30:50 AM PST by honway
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To: honway
In #34: Anybody want to take a guess at who the "defense investigator" in question was?

...and, finally...

In #40: It appears that the famous "X" in the Stephen Jones book is Roger Charles.

Honway, you're my kinda guy! You raise a question in your own mind, and then keep digging until you come up with a reasonable answer.

I didn't suspect Cate McCauley, because, AFAIK, she only worked with S. Jones' successors -- on McVeigh's appeal (after he was sentenced, of course...).

However, I hadn't known that Roger Charles apparently went directly from the Jones team to OKBIC. And, no, I never met the man... (All my OKBIC work was done -- via the internet -- from MA, and the only time I ever visited OKC was after R. Charles' departure from the OKBIC team.)

41 posted on 11/01/2002 9:30:13 AM PST by TXnMA
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To: honway
I never realized that Admiral Boorda was Jewish.

http://www.jewishsailors.com/profiles/boorda/
42 posted on 11/01/2002 10:25:48 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Thanks for the link. There is some inaccurate information in the bio.

uncovered evidence that he wore two unearned combat ribbons for his participation in Vietnam.

There was never a question about the fact that Admiral Boorda earned all his ribbons. Roger Carles and Hackworth maintained that Admiral Boorda did not earn the "V" device on two ribbons because his service was on a U.S. warship conducting combat operations in unfriendly waters off the coast of Vietnam.

The Chief of Naval Operations during the time of service in question, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, maintains Admiral Boorda did earn the "V" devices. I'll take the Admiral's word over these two hacks any day. In addition, suggesting that sailors serving their country on a warship conducting combat operations in unfriendly waters did not demonstrate sufficient valor to earn the "V" device does not hold water, in my opinion.

43 posted on 11/01/2002 10:59:19 AM PST by honway
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To: TXnMA
Thank you for your important contributions to the OKC bombing investigation, past and present.

Your first hand experiences are invaluable for those of us trying to make sense of these new developments.

44 posted on 11/01/2002 11:03:11 AM PST by honway
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To: kattracks
What kind of legal defense goes out of its way to prove it's client's guilt??????
45 posted on 11/01/2002 11:04:45 AM PST by js1138
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To: TXnMA; Fred Mertz; PhilDragoo; citizenK
Thanks, Fred, for flagging me and asking for my input. PhilDragoo’s comment #15 is exactly what happened in this article by Jeff Johnson. Phil says, “The article is lazy journalism, putting a microphone in front of a homeless person at a bus stop who says she’s Catherine the Great.” I just loved that comment from Phil. This Internet news service has admitted they don’t have the funds or time to investigate McCauley and her claims. But they are still going to let McCauley have her say. That is absolutely ridiculous. Jayna had been vetted for months by Wall Street Journal, L.A. Weekly, and other publications. This organization did not vet McCauley at all. They did not seem to even do a cursory search on the Internet, because that would have been very interesting and revealing.

Jayna has given a rebuttal to CNSNEWS on every point that McCauley has made. They may allow a portion of Jayna’s rebuttals to get some exposure. We’ll see.

CitizenK, you also had some very insightful observations!

I do not know a lot about McCauley. I became suspicious of McCauley right after she came to Oklahoma City. A relative of mine lives in Colorado and heads up an organization that puts out a newspaper. This paper had investigated a disinformation agent and my cousin was very concerned that McCauley fit the profile. She had heard Charles Key and McCauley when they came to Colorado. She had talked to McCauley and asked a few questions about the Middle Eastern connection and how McCauley ended up coming to Oklahoma City. McCauley’s answers raised a lot of red flags to my relative. So, I became very wary of McCauley. One thing that always caused us to take notice of people is how did they stand on the Middle Eastern connection to Oklahoma City. If they would dismiss it out of hand without even looking at the information, that raised a red flag. The time I talked to McCauley in person, I asked her about the Middle Eastern connection. She seemed to be dismissive about the whole thing to me.

An Internet search showed an interview that McCauley did for a Boston radio station called the connection. Twenty-eight minutes into the program she says the following, “Even after the inspector general’s report an FBI agent went before an Oklahoma County Grand Jury and continued to give wrong information.” She would be referring to John Hersley because he was the agent dispatched to go before the Grand Jury. Boy, she has sure changed her tune now. I have mine own ideas on why she would make this comment back in 2001 but now seems to change her tune. At this point, I am trying to be cautious about what I say publicly about McCauley. Jayna is quite capable of defending herself and hopefully, her answers will be released today or at least by Monday.

An Associated Press story that was picked up by Southcoast Today quotes McCauley as saying. “Cate McCauley, who worked on the McVeigh defense team and also witnessed the execution, then told (Bill) McVeigh: 'I’d like to say you have a very brave son, and he’s free.'”

I would never use the word brave to describe a mass murderer.

In this thread, several investigators have been mentioned, J.D. Cash, Roger Charles, Cate McCauley who all seemed to work together according to some of the comments made on this thread. I personally would not work with any of them. I never felt that any of their motives were to advance the truth. Honway, you seem to think that Roger Charles was the one that burned Stephen Jones. I had always wondered if it was J.D. Cash.

The Freepers have been great to encourage Jayna! She is very appreciative!

My grandson is waking up so I better post this and take care of him. Someone that knows how to post this to the entire bump list, feel free to do so.
46 posted on 11/01/2002 11:09:21 AM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew
Honway, you seem to think that Roger Charles was the one that burned Stephen Jones. I had always wondered if it was J.D. Cash

I believe at his core, Stephen Jones is a man of integrity. In his book "Others Unknown"p.299,300, Jones describes a defense investigator's interaction with J.D. Cash in publicizing the "McVeigh confession was a hoax" story. The way I read it, Jones seems to be clear in his book that J.D. Cash and "X" are two different people. If they are the same person, IMO Jones deceived his readers and I do not believe Jones would do that.

47 posted on 11/01/2002 11:33:10 AM PST by honway
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To: honway
Your right on that, Honway. I had forgotten about that comment that he had made in his book. It has been a long time since I had revisited the J.D. Cash episode.
48 posted on 11/01/2002 12:01:17 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew; All
http://www.s-t.com/daily/06-01/06-12-01/a01ho013.htm

Bill McVeigh says he's "all right" after execution

Cate McCauley, who worked on the McVeigh defense team and also witnessed the execution, then told McVeigh: "I'd like to say you have a very brave son, and he's free."

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Tim McVeigh participated in the murder of 168 innocent people, including children.
I think Ms. McCauley owes us an explanation of what the word "brave" means as well as the word "free" in this context.

49 posted on 11/01/2002 12:04:11 PM PST by honway
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To: Nancie Drew
appreciate your input here.
50 posted on 11/01/2002 1:40:13 PM PST by thinden
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