Anti-Noise Group Honked-Off At Noisy Hot Rods

CNSNews.com ^ | October 5, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

[billbears]

You're going to see more noise tickets now, not less, because SB1420 makes them easier to issue

Well see you're wrong there. The fact has been that most aftermarket dealers already fell into the 95 db range. SEMA knew this, and with an idea of what the standard was with the products, pushed for a range that most dealers would already fall into, hence the 95 db range. The problem is that with 'noise nannys' not having a standard to go by, they were arresting private citizens at whim. Now with 95 db being the standard, they can shut their mouths, put up their ticket books, and leave good law abiding citizens alone

[Texas Taxes]

The fact has been that most aftermarket dealers already fell into the 95 db range.

I don't know why you keep trying to drag SEMA into this. I never said anything about SEMA. I've got no gripe with people who drive legal. But there are too many who say "Fck the law. I'll do as I please, and fck you if you don't like it."

One obvious reason for SEMA to support SB1420 is to put some distance between themselves and these deliberate outlaws. If they don't, they're doomed. They can read the writing on the wall as well as anyone else. As violations become more and more flagrant, people are going to demand stronger enforcement. If they don't get it, they may start resorting to vigilantism.

[billbears]

But there are too many who say "Fck the law. I'll do as I please, and fck you if you don't like it."

And if you'd read the original article that's exactly what the Flowmaster rep was talking about. Those that refuse to stay under 95 db are on their own. And that's acceptable.

[billbears]

If they don't get it, they may start resorting to vigilantism.

LOL!! I have to admit that's pretty funny. Look, the people that drive V8s drive them for a reason. Not everyone wants a whisper quiet Hamstermobile that takes 45 minutes and 30 miles to get to 90 mph. For those that do, great!! But it's not for me. 95 db is not loud at all

[HIDEK6]

I personally think that it is my God-assigned duty to play my music as loud as possible, so that the cultural and educational benefits of listening to it will accrue to the most possible people.

[carpio]

I personally think that it is my God-assigned duty to play my music as loud as possible, so that the cultural and educational benefits of listening to it will accrue to the most possible people.

< Thank you! Occassionally I lose heart and begin to feel that the barbarians at the gate attacking us with noise, litter, graffitti, property crime and other obnoxious affronts to society are going to completely over whelm our culture.

Then I hear such blather from the likes of you and remember that you noise & destruction folks really are not smart enough to prevail over decent Americans. Thanks again for the encouraging reminder.

[carpio]

If they don't get it, they may start resorting to vigilantism.

This thread has enbolden me to approach some of my neighbors about banding together to fight back.

I have spoken to five families and three of them are ready to join me in taking action. I am truly grateful for this thread. It has given me hope of regaining the use of my home. If banding together for self defense is vigilantism then we are now vigilanties. So be it.

[HIDEK6]

You're welcome

[billbears]

If banding together for self defense is vigilantism then we are now vigilanties

Self defense against sound? How are you going to 'defend' yourself against that? Oh, that's right, you're the one that wants to kill his neighbors. Literally.

Look, we've already discussed the law here. Why don't you call someone to come out and test these guys. If they break the law by testing, then sue them. But don't attack a $24 billion dollar a year business because you don't like the low rumble of a good engine. Remember below 95 db, you can't do anything. Above 95 db? Get a lawyer

[carpio]

351 with FlowMasters checking in. My daily driver rattles windows.

Trying yo make you look like a thug and a bully is a waste of time. Your own adolescent babble indicts you as such.

I think your days of terrorizing the sick and elderly may be drawing to a close. The more I look into this noise issue the more clearly I see that many people are, like my family, willing and ready to begin defending thier homes.

[webstersII]

I happen to like the "muscle car sound" coming from a well tuned V-8. They are no louder than most motorcycles or semi's.

Apparently you have never been kept awake by them. Hmmm. Maybe that's because you are the one keeping OTHERS awake.

[webstersII]

They don't like the sound, roll up the windows & use your a/c.

That's fine when you are driving around, but what about the loser across that street that comes blowing in at 2:00 a.m. and wakes up the neighborhood?

[_Jim]

to combat loud exhaust systems installed in cars

Some pinhead gets it wrong again-

- the real problem we have around here are those BOOM BOXES installed in cars that can RATTLE YOUR WINDOWS as they drive by!!!

[kcar]

No it's the sub-woofer radios with the windows down that'll make you yank out your hearing aids with improbable speed.

[billbears]

I think your days of terrorizing the sick and elderly may be drawing to a close Listen up, carpio. I've withstood your attacks, your abuse, your namecalling, and outright lies because of the situation you say you're living in. You've insulted my family, you've insulted my heritage, and you've insulted my honor. I built my car by the law, and from apparent success out in California by SEMA, I and others like me will continue to build our cars as we see fit, because this is a free nation.

All you've done is consistently call names without providing one shred of evidence except you and three out of five families in your neighborhood don't like the sound. I suggested what you could do legally and even admitted that if the noise was over 95 db that you should sue the cretin. But yet, you come back with more attacks.

You're sick and I truly do hope and pray everything goes alright with your family. But your ignorance of the law coupled with your amateurish adolescent attacks should make you realize that you need to quit screaming victim, thinking someone somewhere owes you something, and shut up

FWIW, I know several of the 'elderly' in these parts that are still involved on weekly, if not daily basis, in engine building and strip racing. I'm sorry you don't enjoy this, maybe it is a more of a regional thing as I suspect. But it is something I do enjoy and in the state of NC as long as it follows the law, there isn't a thing you or this pantywaist anti-noise Nancy boy can do about it!!

[HELLRAISER II]

It use to be years ago that stuff like this would have been dismissed as "never going to happen." man the world sure has changed. There are those who are not only willing to try but are already in the process of trying to take away our cars, guns & anything that remotely brings us joy. To those I say better eat your Wheaties, your in for one hell of a fight.

[HELLRAISER II]

That's uncool & like i've tried telling several people here it's something that I wouldn't do. All i'm trying to get across to ya'll is that all auto enthusiast are not @ssholes trying to cause problems. Most of us are upstanding citizen doing something that we enjoy, with some of ya'll comparing us to murderers and even 1 yahoo here who is contemplating killing his neighbor because their mufflers are to loud. When I look at people like him I wonder why you people have a problem with us, he is obviously the one with problems. At least we're sane.

[Skywalk]

That page is a great find. I remember all the "Rice-Boys" at Michigan and now here in Seattle and it's ridiculous. I admit some of the cars do look nicer than how it came from the dealer, but it's gotten to the point of ridiculous.

There's a lot of shallowness with these guys, despite the fact that a car straight out of the factory for what it cost them to buy their Civic plus accessories would dust their rice-rocket. It's all about the image, as I've noticed a lot of superficiality with the younger Asian set.

Give me a Jaguar XKR or for that matter a nice luxury sedan or SUV. Let the riceboys keep their manhood augmentation accessory kits.

[Kcimb]

Personally,I'm no fan of the Hondas, they have a good following, but for the money you spend on a new civic, you could buy an older 1991 Nissan hatchback, put in a SR20DET redtop turbo, and get a FAST car for under 12k$.

And it's a 4cyl too.

The best thing about the Hondas, performance wise, is that they will acept nearly ANY Honda/Acura engine, from the ZC engine, to the B16a, to the H22a, B18c, and K22a (Type s engine). They are all good reliable engines and mostly take a turbo pretty well.

My pic for cheapest fast ride? SRT4 (Dual exhaust, NO Mufflers!) or a WRX. Even cheaper, a SVT Focus or Mazdaspeed.

[m18436572]

Most intresting, the redline on that engine is there only to save the accessories (AC compressor, alternator) from exploding.