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Orgins of Modern Democrat FRAUD
Washington Post, Herald ^

Posted on 11/06/2002 5:36:20 PM PST by fooman

If we don't challenge the FRAUD in SD the machine will just roll on.....

"The vice president was smart and savvy but a bit stiff out on the campaign trail. His opponent in the presidential race was a rich, handsome man with a reputation for youthful misbehavior. Polls showed a dead heat. On election night, the TV networks called the race in several key states, only to change their predictions later.

Early the next day, the vice president issued a concession that wasn't quite a concession. His backers grumbled about ballot irregularities and demanded a recount. His party dispatched operatives to disputed states to search for ways to overturn the official tally. Nasty court battles dragged on for weeks.

The vice president was, of course, Richard M. Nixon. The year was 1960.

Now, in the confused aftermath of the Gore-Bush race, pundits keep comparing this year's election to the now-legendary campaign of 1960. They say the 1960 election was stolen for John F. Kennedy by the Chicago Democratic machine of Mayor Richard J. Daley, the father of William Daley, Al Gore's campaign manager. They say that Nixon was robbed but that--in an uncharacteristically selfless display of states- manship--he refused to demand a recount because he feared it would tear the country apart.

Actually, the story is more complicated--and much more interesting.

Shifts in Momentum

On Election Day 1960, Richard Nixon drove to Mexico for lunch.

He voted in his home town of Whittier, Calif., then climbed into a convertible with a couple of aides and cruised down to Tijuana to eat Mexican food at a restaurant called Old Heidelberg.

Driving back to Los Angeles, Nixon deliberately did not listen to the early returns on the car radio. But when he arrived at his suite in LA's Ambassador Hotel at about 5 o'clock, he turned on the TV. It was 8 p.m. in the East and he was already behind. An hour later--with only 8 percent of the vote in and the polls still open in the West--CBS predicted a Kennedy victory.

'All of the computing machines,' explained CBS's Eric Sevareid, 'are now saying Kennedy.'

'We should put all those electronic computers in the junk pile,' Leonard Hall, Nixon's campaign manager, told the press. 'This one is going down to the wire.'

The networks ignored Hall and listened to their computers. NBC predicted a landslide for Kennedy but when the race got tighter, the network began backtracking. It called Ohio for Kennedy, then awarded it to Nixon. Later, both NBC and CBS predicted a Kennedy victory in California. That, too, proved wrong. Absentee ballots ultimately swung the state to Nixon.

Before midnight back East, the New York Times went to press with a banner headline: KENNEDY ELECTED PRESIDENT. But Nixon kept gaining and soon the race was too close to call. Times Managing Editor Turner Catledge, fearful that he'd be embarrassed by his headline, began to hope, as he later recalled in his memoirs, that 'a certain Midwestern mayor would steal enough votes to pull Kennedy through.'

He was referring, of course, to Daley, a pol believed to be so powerful that he could make the dead vote. But as election night dragged on, Nixon took a lead in Illinois.

That news stunned Sargent Shriver, who was the Illinois campaign manager for his brother-in-law Jack Kennedy. Shriver was watching TV at the Kennedy compound in Hyannis Port, Mass., when he saw returns that showed Nixon ahead in Illinois .

'I damn near collapsed,' he recalls. 'I was devastated. I thought that the fact that I had lost my state, Illinois, would mean that Kennedy would lose the presidency.'

He sneaked out of the room. 'I didn't have the [guts] to face those people,' says Shriver, now 85. 'I went back to my bedroom and almost cried myself to death.'

Suddenly, somebody was rapping on his, door, saying 'Sarge, the votes in Illinois have changed completely.'

Shriver hustled back to the TV room. It was true: A late surge of votes from Chicago had put Kennedy back in the lead in Illinois.

A Roller-Coaster Finish

Across the country, Nixon and his aides were watching the same returns.

'We were getting good reports out of Illinois but we noticed that a lot of precincts in Chicago weren't reporting,' says Herb Klein, who was Nixon's press secretary. 'Then they reported en masse and we were a little suspicious.'

Hall grumbled that the Chicago Democrats were up to their usual tricks.

By midnight--3 o'clock back East--Kennedy had 265 electoral votes, just four short of victory. Nixon wasn't ready to concede, but he thought he should make some kind of statement to his supporters in the ballroom downstairs.

'If the present trend continues,' he told them, 'Senator Kennedy will be the next president of the United States!

It was, Klein says, 'what I call his half-concession.'

Watching on TV in Hyannis Port, Kennedy's aides groaned and grumbled.

'Why should he concede?' Kennedy, said to them. 'I wouldn't.'

Nixon went back upstairs to continue watching the returns on TV. Kennedy's lead in the popular vote was melting away, from 800,000 votes to 600,000 to fewer than half a million. Nixon took Washington and Oregon. Illinois was still too close to call. So were California and Minnesota. If Nixon won them all, he'd be president.

When he fell asleep, shortly after 4, Nixon still didn't know if he'd won or lost. When his daughter Julie woke him two hours later, he learned he'd been defeated.

It was one of the closest elections on record. Out of 68 million votes, the difference between the parties was only 113,000. Kennedy ended up taking 303 electoral votes to Nixon's 219 and 15 for segregationist Sen. Harry Byrd of Virginia. But Nixon would have won if he'd taken Texas, where he lost by only 46,000 votes, and Illinois, where he lost by fewer than 9,000.

Nixon called President Eisenhower. Ike told him he'd heard rumors of voting fraud in Texas and Illinois and urged him to check it out.

By now it was mid-morning and Nixon had no desire to make another concession speech. Instead, he sent Kennedy a congratulatory telegram and dispatched Klein to read it to the press.

In Hyannis Port, Kennedy watched Klein read the telegram on TV. Kennedy was disgusted, his press secretary, Pierre Salinger, recalled in his memoirs. He thought Nixon should make his own concession.

'He went out,' Kennedy said, 'the way he came in--no class.'

Showing Grace in Defeat

On the plane back to Washington that night, Hall buttonholed Nixon to say he thought the Democrats had stolen votes in Illinois, Texas, Missouri and New Mexico. Nixon listened but he didn't seem particularly engaged.

'He didn't react to it at that time, Klein recalls. 'He was very tired.'

In fact, Nixon was exhausted. He'd been campaigning nonstop for weeks and he'd barely slept in the last three days. He failed to fall asleep on the plane and when he got home he found he couldnt sleep there, either. He built a fire and sat in front of it, pondering what he ought to do about rumors of election fraud. He decided, he later wrote, that it was important that he appear to be a man who could lose gracefully.

The next day, he packed up his family--and a few trusted aides, including Klein--and flew to Key Biscayne, Fla. for a vacation.

'He'd been beaten,' Kein recalls, 'and he was very depressed.'

Back in Washington, Republicans were hollering about voting fraud. Sen. Everett Dirksen, Illinois frog-voiced Republican patriarch, claimed that the Daley machine had stolen the election in his state. Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater echoed Dirksen, declaring that Chicago had 'the rottenest election machinery in the United States.'

Hall and Kentucky Sen. Thruston Morton, head of the Republican National Committee, flew to Key Biscayne to urge Nixon to demand a recount.

'They told him they thought the election had been stolen and he ought to fight it,' Klein recalls. 'He sort of put them off. He listened and he said he'd think about it.'

He didn't think for long. Exhausted and depressed, Nixon had no stomach for a fight he figured he had little chance to win. On Friday, three days after the election, he sent Klein out to read a statement.

'The vice president ran the race and he accepts the decision of the voters,' Klein announced. 'The decision made on Tuesday stands.'

Klein recalls Nixon explaining his reason for the decision: 'He thought contesting it would do a great harm to the country.'

In his memoir, 'Six Crises,' written in 1962, when he was planning a political comeback, Nixon said he made the decision because he feared American prestige would be damaged by suggestions that 'the presidency itself could be stolen by thievery at the ballot box.'

In a later memoir, 'RN' written after he'd resigned the presidency in disgrace, Nixon added another reason: 'Charges of 'sore loser' would follow me through history and remove any possibility of a further political career.'

Riled Up But No Recount

Nixon my have quit, but his campaign manager and the Republican National Committee fought on.

Hall and Morton dispatched teams of GOP operatives to ferret out evidence of election fraud in eight states--Illinois, New Jersey, Texas, Missouri, New Mexico, Nevada, South Carolina and Pennsylvania. Morton himself traveled to Chicago, where he announced the creation of what he called 'the National Recount and Fair Elections Committee.'

Morton's minions failed to uncover much fraud in most states, but they hit pay dirt in Texas and Illinois.

In Texas, Kennedy's 46,000-vote margin was the closest statewide race there since 1948, when Kennedy's running mate, Lyndon B. Johnson, won a Senate seat by 87 votes (the origin of nickname 'Landslide Lyndon'). Morton's operatives, aided by local Republicans, uncovered plenty of political chicanery. For instance: In Fannin County, which had 4,895 registered voters, 6,138 votes were cast, three-quarters of them for Kennedy. In one precinct of Angelina County, 86 people voted and the final tally was 147 for Kennedy, 24 for Nixon.

On and on it went. The Republicans demanded a recount, claiming that it would give them 100,000 votes and victory. John Connally, the state Democratic chairman, said the Republicans were just 'haggling for headlines' and that a recount would give Kennedy another 50,000 votes.

But there was no recount. The Texas Election Board, composed entirely of Democrats, had already certified Kennedy as the winner.

In Chicago, where Kennedy won by more than 450,000 votes, local reporters uncovered so many stories of electoral shenanigans--including voting by the dead -- that the Chicago Tribune concluded that 'the election of November 8 was characterized by such gross and palpable fraud as to justify the conclusion that [Nixon] was deprived of victory."

A new biography, 'American Pharaoh' quotes Mayor Daley defending his city by claiming that Democratic fraud in Chicago was no worse than Republican fraud in downstate Illinois:

'You look at some of those downstate counties,' he said, 'and it's just as fantastic as some of those precincts they're pointing at in Chicago.'

Robert Kennedy, his brother's campaign manager, shrugged off the whole controversy: 'A tempest in a teapot.'

A Republican National Committee member filed suit to challenge the Chicago results. The case was assigned to Circuit Court Judge Thomas Kluczynski, a Daley machine loyalist.

On Dec. 13, Kluczynski dismissed the Republican suit. Less than a year later, on Mayor Daley's recommendation, Kennedy appointed Klyczynski to the federal bench.

Ultimately, a special prosecutor, Morris Wexler, was appointed to investigate the Chicago fraud allegations. Wexler brought charges against 650 election officials but a Democratic judge's pro-defense rulings crippled Wexler's case and the charges were dropped.

Finally, in 1962, after an election judge confessed to witnessing vote tampering in Chicago's 28th ward, three precinct workers pled guilty and served short jail terms.

Call Off the Dogs

Americans will probably never know for certain if the Democrats stole the election of 1960. But Earl Mazo is pretty sure they did.

'There's no question in my mind that it was stolen,' he says. 'It was stolen like mad. It was stolen in Chicago and in Texas.'

Back in 1960, Mazo, now 81, was the Washington-based national political correspondent for the New York Herald Tribune. After the election, he kept getting calls from reporter friends in Chicago who told him wild stories of election fraud there.

'They were in effect chastising me,' he recalls, saying, 'You national reporters, you're missing the story, why don't you come out and look?'

So Mazo went out and looked. He went to Chicago, obtained lists of voters in precincts that seemed suspicious and started checking their addresses.

'There was a cemetery where the names on the tombstones were registered and voted,' he' recalls. 'I remember a house. It was completely gutted. There was nobody there. But there were 56 votes for Kennedy in that house.'

At the urging of Chicago Democrats, Mazo went to Republican areas downstate and looked for fraud there. He found it.

'In downstate Illinois, there was definitely fraud,' he says. 'The Republicans were having a good time, too. But tbey didn!t have the votes to counterbalance Chicago. There was no purity on either side, except that the Republicans didn't have Daley in their corner--or Lyndon Johnson.'

After investigating Illinois, Maxo headed for Texas, where he documented similar electoral shenanigans. With visions of a Pulitzer Prize dancing in his head, Mazo began writing what he and his editors envisioned as a 12-part series on election fraud. By mid-December, he had published four parts and they'd been reprinted in papers across the country, including The Washington Post.

Then Mazo got a call from Nixon. Mazo knew the vice president. He'd interviewed Nixon extensively for a biography he published in 1959. Now, Nixon asked Mazo come to his office in the Capitol.

When Mazo arrived, the two men chatted for a while and then Nixon asked Mazo to stop writing his series. He told Mazo the country couldn't afford a constitutional crisis at the height of the Cold War.

'I thought he was kidding but he was serious,' Mazo recalls. 'I looked at him and thought, 'He's goddamn fool.'

Failing to convince Mazo, Nixon called reporter's bosses at the Herald Tribune. 'He impplored them to stop running the damn thing,' Mazo recalls.

Apparently, the vice president was convmcing. Mazo's editor pulled him off the story.

'Nobody told me why,' he says. 'I know I was terribly disappointed. I envisioned the Pulitzer Prize, for chrissakes.'

Residual Simmering

Publicly, Nixon was statesmanlike about his defeat, but privately he showed his bitterness. At a party he gave before Christmas that year, he told some guests, 'We won but they stole it from us.'

Nixon's wife was angry, too, and she knew exactly whom she blamed-- the head of the Chicago Board of Elections. ' If it weren't for an evil, cigar-smoking man in Chicago, Sidney T. Holzman,' she was quoted as saying, 'my husband would have been president of the United States.'

Even Nixon's 12-year-old Julie was angry. 'Not a day was to pass until after Kennedy's inauguration,' Nixon wrote in 'Six Crises,' 'but that Julie would ask me: 'Can't we still win? Why can't we have a recount count in Chicago?'

But there was no recount and Kennedy was inaugurated. Not long after that, a still angry Sen. Dirksen called Cartha DeLoach who was then assistant director of the FBI. Dirksen demanded that the FBI evidence that the election was stolen.

'I told him that the Department of Justice was investigating this,' DeLoach recalls, 'I referred him to the attorney general.'

At that point, Dirksen asked, sarcastically, 'Who's the attorney general?'

'Bobby Kennedy,' DeLoach replied.

Dirksen slammed down the phone" (Peter Carlson, The Washington Post, November 17, 2000).


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If we don't challenge the FRAUD in SD the machine will just roll on.....

As a Catholic it sucks to realize that Kennedy Stole this election...

1 posted on 11/06/2002 5:36:20 PM PST by fooman
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To: fooman
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2 posted on 11/06/2002 5:39:41 PM PST by backhoe
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To: fooman
We have an election process that is broken and subject to fraud.The dead have voted Democrat for generations..The illegals are legal..it is a disgrace and a joke

We need voters cards issued with a picture / fingerprint ID that will be checked at the site of voting . This could still be compromised ..but it would be much harder..

3 posted on 11/06/2002 5:44:18 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: A Citizen Reporter; ABG(anybody but Gore); acnielsen guy; Angelwood; arazitjh; b4its2late; ...
I hope I don't overuse the ATRW ping list, but this article is fascinating and, I think, can serve as a trumpet call to those interested in doing something about election fraud.
4 posted on 11/06/2002 5:49:39 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: RnMomof7
Yes I agree. Lets get a retina scan. You noticed how the new machines and the observation helped clean up FLa.
5 posted on 11/06/2002 5:51:18 PM PST by fooman
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To: fooman; Grampa Dave; All
ping
6 posted on 11/06/2002 5:52:21 PM PST by fooman
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To: fooman
Get a grip! Kennedy's father had been part of the vote stealing Chicago machine before Kennedy was a gleam in the old man's eyes. It was Joe who sold JFK like soapsuds with the Chigago mob's help. After Kennedy is innaugurated he and Bobby wage a war on Organized Crime and then they are murdered and we are all in a dither. Who could'a done it? I dunno.
7 posted on 11/06/2002 5:57:13 PM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: fooman
The news media even makes THIS Nixon's fault...



Of course, in this instance, they were right...
8 posted on 11/06/2002 5:57:15 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: fooman

THIS JUST IN: "Shannon O'Brien's (D, MA) union goons were caught behind the curtain
influencing voting (again). They claimed they were translating English to Spanish ----
but the ballots were printed in Spanish and English."

(click for video of Democratic cheating 2002 using police harassment)

9 posted on 11/06/2002 5:57:40 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: fooman
I worked with a fellow that grew up in Chicago and he used to talk about the commonly known story of numerous boxes of ballots from rural Illinois getting lost until well after the election was over. I believe that the Dems have known for decades that the majority in this country lean towards conservative values, thus backing the conservative GOP. They understand that to win will likely require them to manufacture votes. Until we find a way to stop this fraud, they will continue to exploit the system.
10 posted on 11/06/2002 5:59:24 PM PST by rj45mis
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To: fooman
And people wonder why Kennedy was assassinated, and the Kennedy's remained cursed to this day. Justice always prevails in the long run. If he would have played by the rules, he would have been alive and able to run again in 1964. Once again, you reap what you sow, a fatal flaw liberals always fail to come to grips with. The number one reason we won big in this election is because they did not impeach Clinton, or Gore would have won, and President Bush could not have helped so many candidates win.
11 posted on 11/06/2002 6:01:29 PM PST by Russell Scott
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To: rj45mis
Its too easy to 'move on' and forget these elections.

I had forgotten about Woodson in 94 and Dronan Last Cycle.


If we let SD stand we are FOOLS. Sure we can be low key, but lets get this overturned.
12 posted on 11/06/2002 6:03:48 PM PST by fooman
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Thanks for the ping. You're right, this is fascinating. I wonder if there is any chance that reforms will be made against voter fraud now that we have both houses.
13 posted on 11/06/2002 6:05:36 PM PST by Lorena
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To: Russell Scott
I agree with your bush like sentiments of being nice, and humble and not gloating. However, many of us feel that had we given CLinton a trial AFTER he was impeached, we never would have lost Senate.

Note that we kept the house and Graham is a Senator and Northrop keeps winnning.
14 posted on 11/06/2002 6:07:27 PM PST by fooman
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Let's connect the dots shall we?

In another thread I described how the Shannon county registration somehow leaped by 1500 voters, more than 30%, since June 2002.


This is the same county that had fraudulent registration allegations:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/17/163140.shtml

&The Wall Street Journal reports a Shannon County election clerk received a high number of new voter registrations, many "clearly signed by the same person" and some hailing from Nebraska.

Bret Healy, the executive director of the South Dakota Democratic Party, has said he notified the U.S. attorney about the fraud and subsequently fired contractor Becky Red Earth-Villeda after she allegedly submitted invalid voter registrations."

It has also been shown on Free Republic that the voter total for Johnson was over 2800 in shannon county *1400* more votes or 60% increase from the vote total for Al Gore in 2000. Indeed Johnson got far more votes than the *TOTAL* votes cast in previous elections in Shannon county.

The last two counties to report were Shannon and Todd counties. Both had unusually large increases in vote totals.


15 posted on 11/06/2002 6:09:06 PM PST by WOSG
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To: rj45mis
My grandfather was a liberal democrat socialist union longshoreman(who I loved to death despite his politics). He also hated a crook or a cheat. Gramps always complained about the elections in Chicago and how the Daleys were in to fixing all of the elections. His union was often used as muscle for various candidates. He hated Nixon even though he always claimed he was robbed by Daley.
16 posted on 11/06/2002 6:11:23 PM PST by satchmodog9
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To: fooman
In 1992 my wife and I lived in Daley Kingdom, aka Chicago.

On election day we walked over the polling place after work. I got my ballot and proceeded to the booth, but there was a hangup with my wife's ballot. They didn't allow her to vote, so we started to walk out.

When we got to the sidewalk there was a guy handing out literature. He heard us talking as we went by and said, "Did you have a problem?"

"Yes," said Mrs IncPen

She told him the story, and he said, "Come with me..."

He put his arm around Mrs IncPen and walked her back into the polling place, telling her he was a precinct captain.

We got inside and he said aloud, "Fellas, this is Mrs IncPen. She didn't get her ballot."

With a flourish, a ballot was produced and Mrs IncPen voted.

He waited, and on the way out he told us, "Vote with the Mayor, especially in the primaries, and you'll never have snow or garbage in the alley, and your councilman will take your calls."

Words to live by, Chicago style.

17 posted on 11/06/2002 6:22:36 PM PST by IncPen
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To: Russell Scott
The number one reason we won big in this election is because they did not impeach Clinton,

They, that is the House of Representatives, DID impeach the SinkMeister, the Senate failed to convict and remove his Slimeyness from office. Of course since they refused to look at the evidence, they refused most anything that most people would think of as normal for a trial, so it's not overly surprising that they didn't convict him.

I really don't think his conviction would have cost Bush the election, in fact it might very well have saved us all the frustration of November and December of 2000, the "Get out of Cheney's House" chanting and so forth, by bringing another state into the Bush column, maybe more. Thus making the Florida mess irrellevant. It also might have saved us having to put up with the Junior Senator from New York for another 2 years, at least!

18 posted on 11/06/2002 6:22:42 PM PST by El Gato
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To: WOSG
I live in Fall River County which is next to Shannon co and counts their votes. As of 1 am on the 6th Shannon co had not reported any votes at all. Ithink they waited to see the vote total to find out the number they needed to win and the VOILA
19 posted on 11/06/2002 6:28:53 PM PST by South Dakota
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To: fooman

20 posted on 11/06/2002 6:31:03 PM PST by ALS
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We never would have had Hillary! if we had done the trial.
22 posted on 11/06/2002 6:31:37 PM PST by fooman
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To: IncPen
Did he really call her Mrs. IncPen?!!!
23 posted on 11/06/2002 6:57:50 PM PST by fellowpatriot
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To: South Dakota
Please do me a great favor ... can you as a freeper look into this issue of how the votes in shannon county were handled and delivered.

... this is from an article by the Rapid City Journal 3 weeks before the election, written by Heidi Bell Gease at heidi.bell@rapidcityjournal.com :

"Fall River Auditor Sherrill Dryden, who handles general elections for Shannon County on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, has experienced that first-hand. "Our increase in the total number of voters in Shannon County has increased probably over 1,000 (since June), and we're still putting people in," she said, adding that Shannon County started with about 5,700 registered voters."

Could you call this Sherrill Dryden up and ask here a few questions about the 10 precincts in Shannon county:
- did they have poll watchers from both parties?
- who kept the poll rolls?
- was the increase in voting vs 2000 concentrated in any precincts? ie what was the precinct by precinct vote totals for 2000 and for 2002 in shannon county?
- how much of the voting was absentee?
- how many of the 2854 voters for Johson and 250 voters for Thune were voters who were new registrants?
- who delivers the ballot boxes? who does the scanning?
fall river?

Answers would clue in exactly and focus on if and where the fraud happened.

THIS IS A KEY POINT! You see registration since June 2002 increased 30% - unusual in and of itself - BUT THE VOTE TOTALS INCREASED 70% SINCE 2000 Presidential race! Highly unusual indeed.

Can you ask her if there is precinct by precinct breakdown of vote totals, reigstration change totals and change from 2000?
24 posted on 11/06/2002 7:07:44 PM PST by WOSG
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To: fooman
Get a grip! Kennedy's father had been part of the vote stealing Chicago machine before Kennedy was a gleam in the old man's eyes. It was Joe who sold JFK like soapsuds with the Chigago mob's help. After Kennedy is innaugurated he and Bobby wage a war on Organized Crime and then they are murdered and we are all in a dither. Who could'a done it? I dunno.
25 posted on 11/06/2002 7:26:43 PM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: fooman
Dem slogan: The only good voter is a dead voter- they demand nothing, never complain and even dead Republicans vote democrat.
26 posted on 11/06/2002 7:31:52 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: fellowpatriot
Did he really call her Mrs. IncPen?!!!

You ninny, IncPen is my nom de plume, created specifically for FR, to mask my true identity as a fighter for Truth, Justice and the American way.

Actually, he called her beautiful, wonderful, intelligent, sensitive...

27 posted on 11/06/2002 7:42:34 PM PST by IncPen
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To: fooman
Its no coincidence that San Francisco and Los Angeles precincts did not report until results in the rest of California were in. You can't report the votes if you don't know how many you need in order to win. Vote tampering is an old craft handed down from one generation to the next.

Beside the point, the writer, Peter Carlson, does a substantial disservice in refering to Sen. Everett Dirksen as the "frog-voiced Republican patriarch." I have never heard a single negative word spoken about this man, he was a rare gem in the history of congress. He was a true orator and a gentleman, a man of principle. And his voice was a mellifluous baritone, real velvet.
28 posted on 11/06/2002 7:53:42 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
Lissen guys, I never forgave Nixon for letting that slide and it's been downhill ever since.

I am all over this site asking for help in bringing voter fraud to a higher profile. But people just ain't gettin' it.

How the hell do we know who won Michigan (where the Mayor of Detroit admits to 150,000 fake registrations in his city alone), or Illinois, or Pennsylvania? Especially how do we know who won California? There are literally hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens on the rolls. There are hundreds of thousands of fake absentee ballots for dead people with imaginary families and multiple sets for live folks with real families. The "homeless" go in church vans from precinct to precinct and also vote absentee. Ed Rendell put 100,000 Russian aliens on the rolls for 2000. They are still there. They're voting, whether they know it or not. I tell people that in Philadelphia, several precincts turned out over 100%; in some cases more votes than the census showed residents in the district! They laugh. Some joke!

We won some tremendous victories last night. But we had governorships stolen and seats stolen in the House and Senate. In a small state like SD, which has very few people, there are literally thousands of fake registrations and absentee ballots. In SD, fraud with 1500 fake votes can cost us a Senate Seat, if we let it.

Crooked voting didn't start with the Kennedys. However, they pioneered modern, computerized, highly organized fraud, brazenly perpetrated in every election since, because the Democrats know, that like Nixon, damn his eyes, the Republicans will let it slide. Let it slide again, RNC, and yesterday night could be our last major victory. Carrying the "Blue" states will be scant comfort in 2004 if fraud gives the next Bill Clinton the big "Red" States.

Fraud gave Al Gore the cynical claim that he won the popular vote ... and damn near gave us Al Gore. Waadaya need, a map?

29 posted on 11/06/2002 7:54:04 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Diogenesis
oooooooooooooo!
you got him. BAD.
send this record to the vote-fraud people, make sure to send us a pic of his badge sitting on your desk as an ashtray, ok?
30 posted on 11/06/2002 8:09:13 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: fooman
histroy bump
31 posted on 11/06/2002 8:10:27 PM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: IncPen
Oh gee, I was only joking! LOL
32 posted on 11/06/2002 8:32:28 PM PST by fellowpatriot
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To: fellowpatriot
Oh gee, I was only joking! LOL

Me too.

Psst, there's a hidden message in my post...

Can you find it?

33 posted on 11/06/2002 8:53:39 PM PST by IncPen
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To: RnMomof7
a signature and a fingerprint! for later prosecution purposes- but the absentee ballot system is the problem- we need to stop the bleeding from this- now you can go vote whenever you want- so much for the lines in South Africa to inspire us!!!
34 posted on 11/06/2002 9:24:16 PM PST by newzhawk
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To: concentric circles
I read that he put Pond's lotion down his throat to make it mellow. Maybe that is a myth, but it did sound unusually soft. He was quite a guy.
35 posted on 11/06/2002 10:32:36 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: fooman
Thanks for the wonderful post fooman. I enjoyed reading it.

Nixon amazes me to no end. Of all the things he did, or was alleged to have done, he showed that he had more integrity and respect for our government than any DimbulbRat ever will.

To actually go through that kind of personal beating for the sake of the country is beyond today's DumboRats.

I know he was bitter, but that bitterness did make him stronger. Then to lose the Gov race in California only to become triumphant in 1968 is still a great story!!
36 posted on 11/06/2002 10:37:53 PM PST by Fledermaus
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To: RnMomof7; fooman
A new young conservative came up with a great idea.

All voters have to submit to the finger printing that all of us in Kalifornicator have to do when we use the services of a Notary Public. You put your fingerprint by or over your signature when you sign in to vote.

Then illegal voters, voters for the dead, illegal alien voters and other Rat Fraud votes will leave a trail that would lead to arrest, trial and conviction of this terrible crime against America and other Americans who vote legally.

He feels that just having this fingerprinting would deter most of the illegals.

Then mean old Grampa wants to see illegal voting considered an act of treason at the Federal and state level.

Each act of illegal voting would bring 20 years of hard labor for the person caught, tried and convicted of illegal voting.

Those who master mind these acts of voting treason would be eligible for the death penalty. Try them! Convict Them! Sentence them! Whack them! Then freeze their bodies and bring them out on election day and hang them from a rental crane at the polling place they desecrated as a warning to rats and others would try to steal our country with illegal votes.
37 posted on 11/07/2002 7:01:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Biker Scum
Read my post on #37.

We are in total agreement here re what to do with the illegal voters who steal our country, state, county, city with their illegal votes.
38 posted on 11/07/2002 7:05:35 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
That is a GREAT idea so has it been presented somewhere?
39 posted on 11/07/2002 7:07:08 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ALS
See what happens when you do not take the trash out right away? It comes back on CNN another day..garbage in garbage out!
40 posted on 11/07/2002 7:28:09 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I don't know if it has been presented.

This young man just bought his first home. They had to sign some papers and have them notarized.

There is a finger print kit that they have to use. You put your thumb on the pad and then put your print over or by your signature after the person checks your id. The ink stuff comes off with a simple wipe of a Kleenix.

With the elections coming up and all the voter fraud in Kali and across the land, he thought of this simple concept. He said that the people signing you in would not even to ask for an Id (I'm all for showing a legal Id). The mere fact that a fingerprint was being taken would scare many illegal voters away.

He feels that many felons vote Rat in Oakland, SF, LA and Sacramento. If they are out on parole and vote illegally and are caught with a fingerprint. They then go back to jail with another couple of sentences.
41 posted on 11/07/2002 7:29:27 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Mr. Mulliner
A belated thank you for the ping. Interesting.
42 posted on 11/07/2002 8:17:28 AM PST by lysie
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To: fooman
...and those with glaucoma or missing fingers?

Just prosecute the ones we find, with hefty sentences. This is a crime right up there with any of the recognized "civil rights" violations.

43 posted on 11/07/2002 8:34:08 AM PST by lepton
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To: IncPen
Your secret is safe with me and your beautiful, intelligent and sensitive wife . . . ;^)
44 posted on 11/07/2002 8:43:29 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: All
Crosslinked to the Vote Fraud Archives:

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45 posted on 05/28/2006 12:28:38 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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