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I tried to be as fair to the Democrats as I could, I want this to be something a Democrat could read without getting angry at the author (not because I'm vain or weak, but because the message is stronger that way).

I wrote the above before I saw Harold Ford was still running. You can watch his speech here (look for "New Conference on Democratic Leadership with Rep. Harold Ford (D-TN)"), I haven't yet. If you want the Democratic Party to choose sane leadership, you must support this guy.

Personally, I would rather watch the Democratic Party shoot itself in foot head. I hope Ford loses, he probably will (they talk a good affirmative action game, but old white Democrats still have seniority, they win every time).

No matter how it turns out, it's going to be fun to watch. It's a real shame DU closed off its forums, but if I were a slimeball like David Lytel I wouldn't want people to see what Democrats really think right now. And if were running DU, I wouldn't want people to see the massive amount of banning that's probably going on right now.

P.S.: Fellow FReeper Jayef came up with the nickname "Suicide Queen."

1 posted on 11/08/2002 3:22:38 PM PST by xm177e2
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The President successfully won, I believe, by standing for a strong America. There are people who feel differently within our party

That says it all. After 9/11, the "you are either with us, or with the terrorists" statement is still ringing in Americans ears.

If those who "feel differently" about standing for a strong America, make that case as a campaign tactic, the Republicans better get used to being in the majority.

Even cracker voters have common sense...

2 posted on 11/08/2002 3:36:40 PM PST by NorCoGOP
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I like your analyses. I wonder if the Congressional RATS are really so insane that they will give the nod to Pelosi. I would really like to see her at the helm, since the bastards deserve to self-destruct in a major way. Pelosi comes from the San Francisco Congressional district.

This is the city which, in the recent gubernatorial election, went 66% for Red Davis, about 20% for the Green candidate (a notorious straight-line communist of the old school) and the Repubo, Bill Simon only got 16%.

These morons are so drug-addled that they are completely out of touch with national political reality. They still think its 1968. If the Progressive Caucus puts Pelosi in the driver's seat, they might as well start brewing up the Kool-Aid.

3 posted on 11/08/2002 3:42:06 PM PST by 45Auto
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I encourage the "rats" to continue on the present course. If they actually chose "Pelousy" to be the next minority leader, it further guarantees that repubs will gain on the national scene. Of course, someone must wake up Trent Lott and give Tom Deay some common sense. You can't be an attack dog forever, you should show some leadership sometime.
4 posted on 11/08/2002 3:42:53 PM PST by brooklin
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It appears the dems master (Klintoon) is drinking his own Kool-aid, he's in total denial and has an unbreakable grip on them. I'm beginning to believe Klintoon just wants to use the DNC raise money and cut backroom business deals for himself. This is great!
6 posted on 11/08/2002 3:52:02 PM PST by Brett66
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Thanks for your analysis. The only thing that the dems. could do that is absolutely worse than electing pelosi, is to desperately put hillary on the presidential ticket. They are so blind with rage they cannot see the right way out of the mess they have made for themselves. Because they can NEVER admit they were ..wr..wr..wrong... they will continue the destruction. It's really a sight to behold. I wish I could feel some sort of sympathy for them, but they chose to lay down with the clintons.
8 posted on 11/08/2002 4:01:06 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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Aw, 'rats! I seems I need to start yet another opposition research file.
(To be used only after she is safely seated)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/785412/posts
Pelosi' 9/11 Paranoia
NewsMax.com ^ | June 2, 2002 | Carl Limbacher
This was posted in June but I thought it would be good to remind people of just how nasty Pelosi is. The original thread can be found here.
 
 

The Socialists In Congress
The Socialists In Congress Executive Commitee, Staff
Coordinator. Peter DeFazio, D-OR Ron Dellums ...
www.rfcnet.org/archives/socialists.htm - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

. The next minority leader of the Democratic Party claims to "understand America" but she supports every far left philosophy known...

click here

for more on what is sure to be a "Nasty Nancy" for conservatives...


10 posted on 11/08/2002 4:01:51 PM PST by backhoe
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Excellent analysis!

I agree with your observations of 50/50 only being applicable when both parties are vying for the center.

The Democrats are about to make the same mistake the GOP did after they took so many seats in '94. They'll pay for it just as the GOP did.
12 posted on 11/08/2002 4:03:49 PM PST by randita
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If Pelosi becomes minority leader , I would assume that there are a lot of Democrats who will be ideologically closer to Bush or Hassert than to her. Time to put out the welcome mat.
14 posted on 11/08/2002 4:06:53 PM PST by fhayek
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I love the idea that the left party will have Pelosi as their face person. She's a first class socialist b***h and will do nothing but make them look bad.

Useful imbicile.

17 posted on 11/08/2002 4:14:00 PM PST by AAABEST
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She's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America,

The Left, "like the poor" (because the left is the most responsible for poverty) will always be with us.

19 posted on 11/08/2002 4:28:37 PM PST by elbucko
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See also this thread: Pelosi to Ford: 'The Race is Over'

She's a nasty, abusive, abrasive, unpleasant person. She might have made a good Minority Whip [insert whip-cracking noise here], but she will be a terrible leader. Conservative Democrats will flee from her in droves.

Ford has the courage to stand up to the Democratic Party Leadership--the same people who got Democrats into this mess. He's not part of the established order, he's young, energetic, and willing to take on the idiots at the top. Democrats would be foolish not to make him their most important Representative. He's everything the Democratic Party needs right now.

26 posted on 11/08/2002 5:15:23 PM PST by xm177e2
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Shameless self-promoting ping... Can I nominate my own work for Essay of the Week?
28 posted on 11/08/2002 6:41:13 PM PST by xm177e2
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This election was fascinating for a variety of reasons. I agree with one of your points bigtime: the democrats were driven by an irrational hatred of Bush. For quite some time, the left in the US has used the crutch of political correctness to bully and smear, as opposed to actually arguing their positions in a reasoned manner. One only have to look back to the Bork and Thomas hearings...or visit any college campus, to see the truth in this.

That strategy has worked fairly well for them in the past, but it breaks down when they run into an opponent against whom the smears don't stick. The target has to be believable as a badguy. It worked against Gingrich and Bork, but the public just doesn't buy the idea that a guy like Bush is Darth Vader.

Thus, left without the tried-and-true PC smear tactic, they were left without anything to say. They couldn't put forth any rational arguments for themselves.

Aside from this, the Democrats made three huge mistakes that lost them this election in a tactical sense:

1) The crap they puled in NJ: Switching candidates in NJ showed not only a contempt for the law (and that the sleaze of the Clintonized Rat party extended even to the Supreme Court of NJ), but also violated the electorate's sense of "fair play". Its just not right to bring in a fresh fighter in the middle of the 15th round. While they still won in NJ, it brought back images of the "everything is relative" Clintonized image of their party.

2) Bonior & CO's trip to Baghdad: While the boomer lefties may not give any weight to such quaint notions as national solidarity and patriotism, middle america fumed when a group of Dem party leaders turned up in Baghdad, met with Saddam's cabinet, and badmouthed our President on TV. It smacked of Hanoi Jane posing on the antiaircraft gun.

3) The memorial service turned Nuremburg Rally: It was supposed to be a heartfelt memorial for a tragic death, and the Clintonized Dem party turned it into a partisan mudslinging festival. They bused in a union mob, booed Republican mourners, and behaved in a generally disgraceful manner. Once again, while such quaint notions as respect for the dead and propriety at funerals may not mean much to the boomer lefties, it means a lot to middle america.

I once heard a quip that "consevatives go to bed at night fearing that the people won't understand them, and liberals go to bed at night fearing that the people will understand them"

All three of these episodes represent the libs letting their mask slip. The people saw them for what they are....and they lost bigtime.

29 posted on 11/08/2002 7:17:03 PM PST by quebecois
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On a critical note, the only thing I would change is the word "stupid" in "taking such a stupid position" to "unbecoming" or "wrong-headed" because all the words flow, to my mind at least, very smoothly up to that point.

The funniest thing about this whole thing is how Gephardt is the fall guy in all this! I was watching Greta last night and Susan Estrich was on, laughing at the idea that el loco poco Dicko still had presidential aspirations, which is pretty funny. Then she made an excuse for McAuliffe, saying "well, he's only a money guy." Daschel's name never came up, at least to the best of my recollection, and he was Dick's soulmate!

This reminds me of how Vince Foster was to blame for all the Clinton scandels, shortly after he was suicided.

I don't really feel sorry for Gephardt, but for whatever reason, he did do the right thing in voting with the President on Iraq. I guess that's the real problem here, he did the right thing.

32 posted on 11/08/2002 8:26:49 PM PST by Duke Nukum
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Well, I tried to be civil over at DU but I was immediately marked for death. Some of them got extremely upset when I called Pelosi a "socialist" (she's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, which is an openly and proudly socialist group). Well, most of them were nice.

Hey, come visit us some time, and be polite and whatnot.

And to the people at FR who like to disrupt them: quit it already. Some things are funny once, and then not funny twice.

34 posted on 11/08/2002 11:31:17 PM PST by xm177e2
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Well, I see you've been tombstoned on DU already. Dunno how long I'll have here, but, out of respect for your honesty, I used the same username here as I do there also.

So, I'm an evilDUer (I can say that, you can't )

Your thread at DU was titled "Don't be a Nancy-Boy (or "Why is the Democratic Party trying to commit Suicide?")" and I thought I might try to answer that for you, along with a couple of points in your post.

A lot of us have decided after Tuesday (and some of us, BEFORE Tuesday) that trying to be imitation Republicans hasn't worked all that well (translation: the result sucked big time). So, there are those of us who think, ok, fine, let's give the American people a REAL choice. Yes, Pelosi is liberal AND progressive, and although I didn't know about the Democratic Socialist Party membership, I wouldn't be suprised if she is.

She's also ... ahem... agressive about it. Some of us *like* that. You may think progressives are wrong - but how often lately, have you seen a progressive laying out his or her policy ideas clearly and unapologetically? Answer? You haven't. You mentioned the mushy center... a lot of us don't like the mush. We have beliefs about the role of government in a civil society - and yes, we think it should be bigger than you think it should be. But there is no debate of those philosphies when people just say "me too, only better and more" to the pablum that passes for "centrist" policy.

So, let's have a REAL debate, and see what the American people think. They might disagree. Then again, they might agree. We won't know till we try, right?

(Note, I should add that most of us DON'T think that it's "suicide," as you put it. We think that, given a REAL, unambiguous choice, the American people WILL choose our vision over yours. We could be wrong, but I, for one, would rather find out than cower in the shadows, deathly afraid somebody might discover we have *oh horrors!* liberal ideas. And truly, given the Republican control of all three branches of the government, what have we got to lose?)

37 posted on 11/09/2002 12:16:30 AM PST by bain_sidhe
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The Pelosi is a wonderful exemplar for the Democratic Party. I hope the Dems spare no expense in "getting her message out."
38 posted on 11/09/2002 12:25:15 AM PST by 185JHP
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My only concern is that this all seems too good to be true. If the Clintons are running things, which I think they are at least to some degree, they are both too politically savy to veer way left. They were masters of triangulation and keeping close to the center. Perhaps something else is in the works? Perhaps this shift left sets the stage for Hillary to come to the rescue as a "moderate democrat" who would be welcome with open arms after this far left shift? Big stakes here and the Dems are not idiots. Things may not be as simple as them seem. Other thoughts?
48 posted on 11/09/2002 1:28:36 AM PST by joonbug
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Excerpt from Breslin,11/7 in Newsday......

"All these years later, I didn't realize there was an election this week until the Sunday before. On election day, I was in neighborhoods where they should have been calling out Carl McCall's name. There was no sound. Then I realized that this silence was right, that there was no election. McCall was the candidate, but he did not ruin the politics here.

It was shameless Bill Clinton who used the Democratic Party and left it with a hyphen. Not because of his trailer camp sex, nor his lying under oath to a grand jury. Rather, he merged the Democratic Party with the Republican Party.
The Democratic-Republican Party. He left the Democrats with no issues, no purpose, no aim, no desire for anything except keeping the job.

Do whatever the Republicans do. They want a tax cut that can break us? Good. Vote for it. They want a war? Of course. "

52 posted on 11/09/2002 2:54:09 AM PST by prognostigaator
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Spot on analysis, thanks.
61 posted on 11/09/2002 7:12:45 AM PST by blam
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