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An election scam (Thune - Johnson SD Senate Race)
freelancestar.com ^ | Monday, Nov. 11, 2002

Posted on 11/11/2002 6:44:56 AM PST by show me state

Denise Red Horse, who died in a Sept. 3 car crash, somehow managed to apply for an absentee ballot on Sept. 21--in two different counties. Both applications were mailed from Democratic headquarters, where a party worker was found with a history filled with local names. Many of those listed in the book ended up registering to vote, which contributed to this statistical oddity: The number of people on the voting rolls in Dewey and Ziebach counties far exceeded the 2000 Census count of residents over the age of 18.

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KEYWORDS: johnson; senate; thune; votefraud
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An election scam

Both parties are ignoring yet more stories of massive voter fraud--much of which was carried out through illegal manipulation of absentee ballots-- that seem to be getting worse each election cycle.

THE SHOCK OF LAST Tuesday's election still hasn't worn off in Washington. Republicans can barely contain their excitement, and Democrats are wondering what went wrong. Meanwhile, both parties are ignoring yet more stories of massive voter fraud--much of it carried out through illegal manipulation of absentee ballots--that seem to get worse each election cycle.

A blizzard of chads in Florida two years ago obscured news reports of a political hack for Al Gore bribing the homeless in Wisconsin with cigarettes to vote for the veep. And while federal investigators were chasing phantom charges of disenfranchisement of African-Americans in the Sunshine State, college students in the Midwest and snowbirds in Florida were freely telling the press that they had illegally cast multiple votes.

They had reason to make such bold admissions. Cheating is so easy and the prosecution of vote fraud is so rare that the payoff--electoral victory--far outweighs the fear of punishment. The smoke-pushing Wisconsin Democrat was fined just $5,000 and got no jail time. And those paid-for votes were still counted for Mr. Gore.

Late last month, Milwaukee's NBC affiliate filmed Democratic campaign workers handing out cash and free food to residents at a home for the mentally ill. After a rousing game of bingo, the patients were ushered into another room by their Democratic hosts and handed absentee ballots. But the most outrageous tale this year comes out of South Dakota, where authorities are investigating hundreds of cases of suspected vote fraud.

Republican John Thune lost to incumbent Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson by just 528 votes. Mr. Thune had a comfortable lead at 2 a.m. Wednesday morning with just three counties left to report. Those areas just happened to be where the Johnson campaign had worked hard to register Indians living on reservations--the center of the vote-fraud probe. Dewey County election officials told The Wall Street Journal's John Fund that they had received "a huge envelope of 350 absentee ballot applications postmarked from the Sioux Falls office of the Democratic Party." That county's attorney says that many of the absentee ballot applications were filled out in the same handwriting.

Denise Red Horse, who died in a Sept. 3 car crash, somehow managed to apply for an absentee ballot on Sept. 21--in two different counties. Both applications were mailed from Democratic headquarters, where a party worker was found with a history filled with local names. Many of those listed in the book ended up registering to vote, which contributed to this statistical oddity: The number of people on the voting rolls in Dewey and Ziebach counties far exceeded the 2000 Census count of residents over the age of 18.

Absentee balloting, which accounted for just 5 percent of the vote 20 years ago, now accounts for 30 percent. University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato calls absentee voting "the preferred choice of those who commit voter fraud." In an attempt to get more people to the polls, 29 states don't require voters to state any good reason to receive an absentee ballot. Those states--thankfully, Virginia isn't one--have exchanged low voter turnout for a temptation to fraud. Imagine the fun party operatives will have if the idea of Internet voting ever catches on.

Every phony vote--and hundreds of thousands, at least, are manufactured each election--cancels out a legitimate one. It is the ultimate disenfranchisement--nothing less than the hijacking of democracy that corrupts the legitimacy of our government. It seems particularly outrageous on this Veterans Day, a mockery of American soldiers' sacrifice.

President Bush last month signed a bill that will help states pay for new voting machines and update voter databases to help detect fraud. But that will all be for naught if states pass out absentee ballots like cupcakes and continue to put a low priority on the prosecution of election cheaters.

Date published: Mon, 11/11/2002

1 posted on 11/11/2002 6:44:56 AM PST by show me state
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To: show me state
Thune has Until about the 25th to protest the Results Lets hope the GOP can get this seat and show Daschle for the Fraud he is
2 posted on 11/11/2002 6:52:37 AM PST by scooby321
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To: show me state
Denise Red Horse, who died in a Sept. 3 car crash, somehow managed to apply for an absentee ballot on Sept. 21--in two different counties. Both applications were mailed from Democratic headquarters, where a party worker was found with a history filled with local names.

There should be a record of her voting then in both counties. That needs to be checked out. If found to be true, that should be enough for Thune to go ahead with a contest.

3 posted on 11/11/2002 6:53:27 AM PST by Tuxedo
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To: show me state
Ashcroft needs to prosecute everyone involved in this fiasco and hand out stiff penalties to act as a real deterrent while we are still in power. Most people are too lazy or uninterested to vote let alone do jail time for a pack of smokes or $ 50.00. I've read that Voter fraud adds 3-5% to Democrats and subtracts 1-3% from the Republicans in every election.

We need South Dakota and Louisiana to get to 53. In 2004 we have the potential to pick up a few more Senate seats as more incumbent Democrats then Republicans are up for reelection. We may get real close to a filibuster proof 60.

4 posted on 11/11/2002 6:54:47 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: show me state
Voter fraud ought to be punishible by a minimum of 5 years of jail time. If the fraud was enough to swing an election, that particular election ought to be declared null and a new election date set with the party responsible for the fraud picking up the tab.
5 posted on 11/11/2002 6:54:56 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: show me state
Meanwhile, both parties are ignoring yet more stories of massive voter fraud--much of it carried out through illegal manipulation of absentee ballots--that seem to get worse each election cycle.

Why aren't the Republicans making a bigger deal of this. Are there any suggestions of GOP voting fraud that I haven't seen?

6 posted on 11/11/2002 6:58:34 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: show me state
I cannot believe that the Rats would cheat in an election. I did not know until yesterday that Dasshole won his election by a very,very small margin.
7 posted on 11/11/2002 7:00:36 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: show me state
30% wow

It's sad that absentee ballots are the cause, for I fear that if they can't correct the problem, there will be a moratorium placed on absentee voting which will take the voice away from young men and women in the military.
8 posted on 11/11/2002 7:00:40 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: MattinNJ
Do not expect any help from Ashcroft. This is the guy that let himself be denied a Senate seat two years ago. One of my co workers has dual citizenship and also votes in Mexico. To vote there requires two forms of picture ID.,you must be registered,submit a thumb print and your signature is closely checked and compared to the one on file. There are also a couple of other requirements. Too bad we are not as smart.
9 posted on 11/11/2002 7:08:06 AM PST by willyone
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To: HEY4QDEMS
>>there will be a moratorium placed on absentee voting which will take the voice away from young men and women in
the military.

If we take voting away from members of the military, I predict the military will take over within 25 years.

I still can't believe the Dims were disenfranchising the military in FL in 2000. Long term, that is simply playing with fire.
10 posted on 11/11/2002 7:08:58 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: show me state
The question is:
Are Republicans going to stand up for Thune?
11 posted on 11/11/2002 7:10:16 AM PST by Nephi
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To: Grampa Dave; Miss Marple; jwalburg; mr.sarcastic; Pippin; Hail Caesar; Marylander; ...
The number of people on the voting rolls in Dewey and Ziebach counties far exceeded the 2000 Census count of residents over the age of 18.

VOTE FRAUD BUMP.

12 posted on 11/11/2002 7:10:30 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Tuxedo
There should be a record of her voting then in both counties.

It looks like the county registrar was the one who discovered the duplicate applications of the dead person. If that is the case and the case of other such frauds, then there is a good chance that no ballots were sent to the fraudulent parties and these fraudulent votes were not cast. That would explain the lack of action on the matter.

13 posted on 11/11/2002 7:11:00 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: HEY4QDEMS
In my county, my neighborhood always had a voting precinct until this election. This little area is home to about five hundred families, and none of us is much farther than four or five miles from the old precinct. But this year we were notified that the ONLY way we could vote was by absentee ballot. I sort of enjoyed the process of going to the polls to vote, and resent this right being yanked from us.
14 posted on 11/11/2002 7:15:23 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: show me state
Why are the national TALKING HEADS not tackling this subject?

Where is SMOOTH HAIR LOTT? Why is LOTT not addressing this issue?
15 posted on 11/11/2002 7:15:57 AM PST by pointsal
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To: EggsAckley
we were notified that the ONLY way we could vote was by absentee ballot

Any reason given?

16 posted on 11/11/2002 7:17:35 AM PST by show me state
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To: EggsAckley
resent this right being yanked from us

Start dusting and sign up to make your home the polling place in your precinct for the next election. : )

17 posted on 11/11/2002 7:18:57 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: show me state
nope
18 posted on 11/11/2002 7:19:05 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: RGSpincich
Not at MY place. I live at the end of a private road, and don't want thousands of people coming up here. But you did give me an idea for a precinct place. Hmmmm......thanks.
19 posted on 11/11/2002 7:21:01 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: show me state; B Knotts
sms, thanks for finding and posting this. B Knotts thanks for the ping.

I had a brief discussion on this fraud with a shell shocked lib this weekend. He was bragging about the libs winning this election and the governor's election in Kalifornicator.

I told him it was a good think that I wasn't wealthy as I would post $1000 bounties for info re illegal voters and for info like this dead Indian being registered two times.

Then, I would post $25,000 to $50,000 bounties for info that would lead to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for organizing and carrying out the illegal vote frauds. I thought that he was going to pass out before he excused himself and left.
20 posted on 11/11/2002 7:22:07 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: RGSpincich
The key is that this person died suddenly. Had this not happened, she would have voted twice none the less, probably without even knowing it. The dim got caught by a fluke. Paybacks are hell! God works in mysterious ways.
21 posted on 11/11/2002 7:24:16 AM PST by truth defector
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To: HEY4QDEMS
"I fear that if they can't correct the problem, there will be a moratorium placed on absentee voting which will take the voice away from young men and women in the military."

I don't know if it is the same in other states but in Arkansas the military (at least overseas ones) absentee ballots are easily identifiable from the others and are sorted and counted separately from the rest.

22 posted on 11/11/2002 7:29:02 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: FreedomPoster
"I still can't believe the Dims were disenfranchising the military in FL in 2000."

Funny too, how with all the Rats' whining about counting every vote, they never were willing to count THOSE votes and they completely dismiss any attempt to address that issue.

23 posted on 11/11/2002 7:32:51 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: willyone
I agree with you that we should initiate safeguards like they have in Mexico. Clearly something has to be done. Frist, Racicot, and Rove really seem to know what their doing. Let's hope they do something about this. This even applies at the local level. There's a mess going on in a local election in North Carolina. The winner will decide which party controls the state legislature. If the Republican wins, they may be able to redistrict and we will pick up 2-4 seats in congress

I am willing to give Ashcroft a pass. He was in a difficult spot and seems to be a real gentleman. Thune has no choice-we need this seat. We are only one Arkancide and one Chafee away from being back where we started.

24 posted on 11/11/2002 7:34:35 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Wasn't there some dispute on Daschle's 1986 Senatorial win? Does anyone have the info on that???? I think it took awhile to proclaim him the winner, although he went to Washington and established an office........
25 posted on 11/11/2002 7:36:17 AM PST by Uff Da
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To: truth defector
The key is that this person died suddenly.

That and the fact that 350 applications came in with mostly the same hand writing, in the same envelope from a Democratic operative on a reservation. LOL Even the county attorney had this one figured.

Dewey County election officials told The Wall Street Journal's John Fund that they had received "a huge envelope of 350 absentee ballot applications postmarked from the Sioux Falls office of the Democratic Party." That county's attorney says that many of the absentee ballot applications were filled out in the same handwriting.

26 posted on 11/11/2002 7:38:05 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: truth defector; RGSpincich
The key is that this person died suddenly. Had this not happened, she would have voted twice none the less, probably without even knowing it.

Denise Red Horse, who died in a Sept. 3 car crash, somehow managed to apply for an absentee ballot on Sept. 21--in two different counties.

She couldn't have registered on the 21st if she had died on the 3rd.

27 posted on 11/11/2002 7:42:07 AM PST by callisto
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To: show me state; All
Vote fraud is cancer that undermines, denegriates and invalidates everybody's vote- right, left, or center. It needs to be uncovered, and rooted out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/784452/posts
South Dakota Suspicions
The National Review ^ | 11-07-02 | Byron York
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/783850/posts
What happened in Bon Homme Co., S.D.?
CNN ^
 
http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/4459206.htm

 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/783963/posts
Arrest Expected in Voter Fraud Investigation (South Dakota)
South Dakota Attorney General ^ | 11/01/2002 | Mark Barnett
I just found an article that confirms that the Libertarian candidate DID drop out and DID throw his support to Thune. This minor little item barely made it to local papers, if at all.
http://www.argusleader.com/columnists/dkranz/10_20_02.shtml

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/784111/posts
So Dak More Registered Voters Than Population??
Myself ^ | 10/6/2002 | Myself

Cross-link here:

-The Vote Fraud Archives--

28 posted on 11/11/2002 7:42:31 AM PST by backhoe
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To: willyone
To vote there requires two forms of picture ID.,you must be registered,submit a thumb print and your signature is closely checked and compared to the one on file. There are also a couple of other requirements. Too bad we are not as smart.

Never happen. That would scare away the black and hispanic voters from the polls. Don't you read the news? ;^)

29 posted on 11/11/2002 7:43:37 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Military absentee ballots were thrown out in Florida in 2000, just one of the sidebars to the election mess there. Throwing out absentee ballots everywhere would probably negatively affect the Republican vote total much more than the Democrat vote total. Which is why so many absentee ballots are "lost" in major Democrat areas, and yet the fact goes largely unremarked.
30 posted on 11/11/2002 7:43:56 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: show me state
This is not a "scam." This is a criminal act and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Those found guilty in tampering with this election should be punished by a stiff prison sentence.

Bush and the Republicans have been curiously silent about this matter. I can only assume that there are things going behind the scenes that we do not yet know about. Let's hope this thing is blown wide open and that John Thume gets the senate seat that he evidently earned.

31 posted on 11/11/2002 7:48:02 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: LoneGOPinCT
Why aren't the Republicans making a bigger deal of this. Are there any suggestions of GOP voting fraud that I haven't seen?

The fact that the GOP does not make a big deal out of the fraud is the reason I will not donate money to the party. I will support individual GOP candidates but until the national party starts doing something about the fraud, fug them!

I am still convinced that PA was stolen for Gore in 2,000 due to the fraud in Philly and Pittsburgh. I worked my butt off in PA for Bush/Cheney and was conviced they would win the state. Upon hearing of near 100% turnout in some Philly precincts and voter manipulation in Pittsburgh, I despair to this day!

MoodyBlu

32 posted on 11/11/2002 7:50:09 AM PST by MoodyBlu
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To: Nephi
Are Republicans going to stand up for Thune?

I wouldn't bet on it. The Republican Party (RNC and its ilk) is totally weak, completely spineless. (That's why they don't get a penny from me; my time and money goes directly to candidates and campaigns I've personally vetted.)

33 posted on 11/11/2002 7:50:25 AM PST by Eala
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To: show me state
Here's the statisical details for seven South Dakota counties (hope this all fits):

voted DEM REP LIB dem%
bennett 3554 36.3 2264 2369 1435 60.6 1609 0899 694 16 55.9
buffalo 2014 41.3 1182 1123 0849 75.6 0793 0631 153 09 79.6
-corson 4221 36.9 2663 2569 1459 56.8 1579 0983 573 23 62.3
--dewey 6049 38.9 3696 4129 2694 65.2 2299 1678 598 23 73.0
shannon12783 45.3 6992 6990 5556 79.5 3118 2856 248 14 91.6
---todd 9269 44.0 5191 4884 3521 72.1 2508 2027 464 17 80.8
ziebach 2517 40.6 1495 1606 0975 60.7 0978 0648 321 09 66.3

Column 1: county name
Column 2: 2001 population estimate by US Census Bureau
Column 3: % of people under 18
Column 4: estimated eligible voters
Column 5: 2002 Registration rolls (S. Dakota elections website)
Column 6: Registered Democrats (same source)
Column 7: % of Democrats registered in each county
Column 8: Number voting in the US Senate election
Columns 9-11: those voting for each party in Senate race
Column 12: the Democratic percentage of the vote tally

Note that in Bennett, Dewey, Todd counties, the registrations outnumber the eligible population. In Shannon county, it's practically a tie.

Note that in Buffalo, Corson, Dewey, Shannon, Todd, and Ziebach counties, the percentage of Democratic votes easily outpaced the Democratic registration percentage.

TO BE FAIR: the S. Dakota population is 756,600 (est.), of which 61.1% are 18 or over. That's 462,283 eligible voters.... and there are now 475,984 active registrations on the books (not terribly surprising in a state with a declining population).

34 posted on 11/11/2002 7:55:19 AM PST by alancarp
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To: MoodyBlu
I am still convinced that PA was stolen for Gore in 2,000 due to the fraud in Philly and Pittsburgh. I worked my butt off in PA for Bush/Cheney and was conviced they would win the state. Upon hearing of near 100% turnout in some Philly precincts and voter manipulation in Pittsburgh, I despair to this day!

The vote fraud in Philly is so obvious it's sickening.

The mayoral election in 1999 was the closest election in 50 years with Republican Sam Katz coming within 20,000 votes of 'Rat John Street. The following year, the SoreLosers had over 300K votes, while Bush got only about 90K. That disparity, coupled with 100% turnouts in some districts, stinks to high heaven.

35 posted on 11/11/2002 7:59:08 AM PST by bassmaner
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To: MoodyBlu
The fact that the GOP does not make a big deal out of the fraud is the reason I will not donate money to the party. I will support individual GOP candidates but until the national party starts doing something about the fraud, fug them!

I have exactly the same feeling. I used to donate a fair amount of money (for me anyway) to the GOP but as their spines began to atrophy over the years I had the same reaction.

36 posted on 11/11/2002 8:00:01 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: Tuxedo
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!This fraud that is practiced so SKILLFULLY by THE RATS must be exposed!!
37 posted on 11/11/2002 8:00:38 AM PST by bandleader
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To: show me state
bump for later
38 posted on 11/11/2002 8:18:53 AM PST by TheBattman
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To: *Vote Fraud
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
39 posted on 11/11/2002 8:20:26 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: HEY4QDEMS
The military could be exempt from any law prohibiting absentee ballots.

Personally, I'd like to see absentee ballots done away with, except for the military, and allow people to vote early by going to the county registrar's office and leaving their sealed ballot there. It's time to put a stop to passing out ballots like cheap newspaper shopper coupons.

If some poor soul is disenfranchised by such a perverse confluence of events that he is unable to cast a vote, then that's a flaw to live with that's preferable to maintaining a system that almost provides for the theft of elections by those least qualified to hold office. Voter fraud is such a direct attack on our system that I can think of no valid reason why the death penalty should not be applied to those who practice it; God knows I have enough friends who ostensibly died to provide us this right, and to punish those who would try to deprive us of it would be both poetic and just.

40 posted on 11/11/2002 8:34:06 AM PST by Dratlatl
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To: show me state
BUMP
41 posted on 11/11/2002 8:39:09 AM PST by RippleFire
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To: Dratlatl
I agree that absentee ballots should be done away with. Voting should only be done by those who care enough to be inconvenienced by going to the polls.
As for the military, how many of them wouldn't be able to make it to the base or PX to cast a vote there?
It should be fairly simple to set up a polling place on a military base.
42 posted on 11/11/2002 8:49:42 AM PST by MrB
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To: show me state
BTTT
43 posted on 11/11/2002 9:56:44 AM PST by Tuxedo
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To: HEY4QDEMS; Dratlatl; MrB
from the article:

Larry Sabato calls absentee voting "the preferred choice of those who commit voter fraud." In an attempt to get more people to the polls, 29 states don't require voters to state any good reason to receive an absentee ballot..."

The reason for voting absentee is, I think, the real key...i.e.; military service; college student; elderly "shut-in"; work schedule; etc.

For example, my elderly mother-in-law no longer drives, so I called her to make sure my sister-in-law was able to take her to the polls; my sister-in-law had to work a 12-hour shift that day, but...they had both already voted absentee for good reasons that were easily verifiable...

(mom said she does miss actually going out to the voting place, and since she always votes the right way heHE, I made a date to take her myself for the next big election...!)

44 posted on 11/11/2002 9:59:48 AM PST by 88keys
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To: MrB
As for the military, how many of them wouldn't be able to make it to the base or PX to cast a vote there? It should be fairly simple to set up a polling place on a military base.

This may be workable for the presidential election, but what would you do about statewide and local elections of each serviceman.

45 posted on 11/11/2002 10:19:47 AM PST by GaConfed
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To: SamAdams76
"This is not a "scam." This is a criminal act and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Those found guilty in tampering with this election should be punished by a stiff prison sentence."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You are so right. This whole subject just makes me crazy. It goes on in places all over the country and has just been passed off as what we can expect from the Democrats.
I say ENOUGH.
Until people start going to prison, this will not stop - and we will always not just have to win elections, but win them by such big margins we overcome their fraud, too.
46 posted on 11/11/2002 10:30:59 AM PST by Route66
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To: callisto
No SHE could not have registered, but who did and used her name? hmmmm
47 posted on 11/11/2002 10:35:02 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: 88keys
The reason for voting absentee is, I think, the real key...i.e.; military service; college student; elderly "shut-in"; work schedule; etc.

I agree, I also think that no absentee ballots should be excepted when mailed from politcal party offices (they should be mailed from the requesters home address) and that anyone who has not filled out a census or regestered to vote in person should also not receive an absentee ballot.

I realize that there has been a wave of sentiment to make it easier to vote to increase participation in the election process, but this new lax system is brutally flawed and must be addressed.
48 posted on 11/11/2002 10:45:59 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: show me state
I think this is one of the reasons the 'RATS worked so hard to demonize Ashcroft. He'll be point man on any effort to uncover voter fraud and anything he does will be characterized by the left-leaning media as partisan maneuvering.

Sure would be nice to unseat Johnson and make Dashole guilty by association though.

49 posted on 11/11/2002 10:51:51 AM PST by 5by5
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To: 5by5
Just because the GOP is quiet at the moment about the Johnson/Thune race, I don't think we should assume that nothing is going on. The Bush team is known for moving quietly behind the scenes and there is an investigation going on. If there is something to find, it will be found. Let's be patient. This is not over.
50 posted on 11/11/2002 11:00:23 AM PST by Wait4Truth
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