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Bush Takes on Christian Right Over Anti-Islam Words
Reuters ^ | November 13, 2002 | Randall Mikkelsen

Posted on 11/13/2002 4:24:18 PM PST by Willie Green

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush on Wednesday took on the Christian right core of his political base, denouncing anti-Islamic remarks made by religious leaders including evangelist Pat Robertson.

Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans," Bush told reporters as he began a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

"Ours is a country based upon tolerance ... And we're not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values."

Bush did not identify conservative Christian leaders as his target, but White House officials said he was prompted by the anti-Islamic remarks of some of them, particularly religious broadcaster Pat Robertson, who reportedly said this week Muslims were "worse than the Nazis."

"He (Bush) wanted a clear statement," a senior White House official said.

Spokeswoman Angell Watts of Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network said she had no immediate comment.

A representative of a Muslim-American civil rights group, which had stepped up calls for Bush to repudiate such remarks, welcomed Bush's words.

"Obviously, we'd like to hear him repudiate these people by name, but we appreciate that he's moving in that direction," said Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

"It's encouraging to see that the president is finally addressing the issue of Islamophobia in America by addressing a specific attacks on Islam. This is a new stance, and it's one that we would encourage and support," Hooper said.

BID TO DISCOURAGE BACKLASH

Bush's efforts to discourage a backlash over the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, which were blamed on Islamic militant Osama bin Laden, have come increasingly into conflict with antipathy to Islam shown by some conservative Christians, a core of his support.

Robertson, a popular conservative commentator who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, was criticized by CAIR and the American Jewish Committee for reportedly saying on his network Monday, "Adolf Hitler was bad, but what the Muslims want to do to the Jews is worse."

Jerry Falwell, a Baptist minister and leading voice of the Christian right, in an October television interview described the prophet Mohammad as a "terrorist."

Evangelist Franklin Graham, who gave the sermon at Bush's inaugural service in 2001, has also been criticized for comments on Islam. Asked about Bush's comments on Wednesday, Graham spokesman Mark DeMoss said Graham was traveling abroad.

"He has not added to any comment he's made on the subject in months, because he's getting tired of getting asked about it, and any time he answers about it he gives the impression he's crusading on this issue and he's not," DeMoss said.


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1 posted on 11/13/2002 4:24:18 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans," Bush told reporters as he began a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

I'm willing to say that on the national and international stage the President speaks for me...except on this issue. Where the evil religion is concerned he seems to have blinders on. I don't blame him for not wanting to pick a fight with all the muslims in the world just now...not yet at least...but there's no point in him picking a fight with Christians either.

2 posted on 11/13/2002 4:34:17 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Willie Green
"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith.

I'm not one of them. And I find this statement not only presumptuous, but disingenuous as well. It is unlikely that, after Sept. 11, most Americans respect Muslims.

After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

Show me one.

"Ours is a country based upon tolerance ...

Ours has never been a country where we "tolerated" the wanton destruction of our property and our lives by madmen. And religious tolerance has dubious roots in this country's founding as well, so be careful how you toe the PC line, George.

And we're not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values."

We're also not going to let political correctness cause us to bare our throats to robe-clad predators. One of our values has always been a vigorous self defense. No amount of Muslim-coddling is going to change that.

3 posted on 11/13/2002 4:42:05 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Willie Green
He wants to avoid the spectacle of non-Muslim Americans tearing down mosques with their bare hands.

My hands are ready.

4 posted on 11/13/2002 4:43:31 PM PST by Siobhan
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To: Willie Green
"I'm a Uniter, not a Divider."

Nevertheless, some of the anti-Muslim arguments seem to be anecdotal, heuristic. Not what one might call rigorous proofs.

5 posted on 11/13/2002 4:47:06 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: pgkdan
"Adolf Hitler was bad, but what the Muslims want to do to the Jews is worse."

I don't see anything untruthful in that statement. Bush is wrong here.

6 posted on 11/13/2002 4:56:47 PM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: RightWhale
Not what one might call rigorous proofs.

3000 dead Americans is proof enough for me.

7 posted on 11/13/2002 4:58:53 PM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: Willie Green
Since I don't know the full details (and don't trust the mediabigots further than I can kick them with a broken leg) it is hard to reach a solid conclusion on this article. But Bush really should have made clear the distinction between Muslims (as human beings) and Islam (as a particularly hellish set of beliefs).

Some thinking recently has alerted me to a key difference between Secular Humanist and Christian/Theistic thinking. Humanists do not believe in a soul. To them a person's beliefs are not just externals; they are what makes a person what they are. To attack a belief is to attack the person holding them.

By contrast, Christians believe that at the core of a human being is not their beliefs but their soul. Beliefs can impact the soul - they can condemn it to Hell or be a vehicle for Heaven. And this means it is imperative to Christians that wrong beliefs in others be confronted and dealt with, if possible, to the salvation of the person themself.

So this is a big source of conflict, I perceive. The Christian criticizes wrong beliefs out of honest love, but that same criticism is interpreted as "hate" and an attack on the person themself by humanists.

So it is important for Christians to make clear that it is the teachings of Islam we oppose, and FOR THE SAKE OF the people enslaved by such teachings (literally and figuratively). Mediabigots may underplay or ignore all mention of Islam-inspired violence, slave-raiding and tyranny, but Christians can respond by continually pointing back to the facts of history (and daily events) and the teachings that inspire them. It is not Christians who fly planes into buildings, bomb innocent targets, take slaves in the name of religion and assert totalitarian rule as the "will of God."

Islam is a religion of evil, Mr. President. It is Satan's greatest monotheistic counterfeit, one cleverly designed to be fueled by the human passions of lust and violence that are so cleverly exploited by the Koran. That is, by promising crassly pornographic sexual pleasures in Heaven and justifying violent attacks on infidels Islam creates a powerful engine for aggression. The amazing thing is that Muslims have not been even more violent in history. Thank God for the fact that most Muslims have been as heretical as most western "Christians" of the past generation.

But what will the Atheistic West do if that changes?

Marathon (who has been studying the Koran and birthrate figures by nation lately...)

8 posted on 11/13/2002 5:00:38 PM PST by Marathon
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To: pgkdan
Each has role in this. Bush needs to convey the level headed image while others are free to lauch the challenges of the islam faith. Also, if you look closely at what Bush is quoted as saying he doesn't denounce what the Christian right said.
9 posted on 11/13/2002 5:00:41 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Willie Green
I think the President has tried to take a moderate tone with regard to the Moslem Islamic faith.  In some ways I agree his motives.  In other ways I think he may be missing the mark.  Here's why.

Let's say that the Moslem Islamic faith is a faith of peace.  I'm not convinced of that, but for argument's sake, I'll act is if it was for now.

The reality of the middle-east is that folks there have developed a severe hatred for Israel.  They have come down on the side of the Palestinians whom they perceive has their blood brothers.  Not only is this perception universally held by most governments of the middle-east, the newspapers and the school systems throughout the region reflect Israel in a very negative light.  And what goes for Israel, unfortunately goes for it's main ally, the United States.

Whether I like or not, I have to accept that there is some validity for suspecting anyone who comes from the middle-east.  It is likely those folks have received indoctrination targeted to reflect the US and Israel in an unfavorable light.  And when policy issues are considered, in all likelihood a higher percentage of folks from that region of the world are going to harbor different views than we or our government will.  Now, is it a wise decision to facilitate the immigration of large numbers of people who disagree with our middle-eastern policy?  Is it wise to facilitate the immigration of some folks who are going to violently disagree with our government's will?

I don't dislike people from the middle-east.  Some of the most mild-mannered honest and Christian people I have met, have come from the middle-east.  That being said, I do believe the mindset of the majority of middle-easterners is to some extent, opposed to our views and policies.  The Moslem Islamic religion finds Christianity to be in direct opposition to itself.  At least, as I understand it, it does.  If someone wishes to correct me on that point I'm willing to listen.

The point I am trying to make, is that on several different levels, I believe we have reasonable grounds to be leery of middle-eastern immigrants.  I do not think universal condemnations are in order at all.  But I think it would be unreasonable to dismiss all this.  And I happen to think that the government is pursuing a full court press to get us to do just that.  I think that is as big a mistake as it would be for us to unilaterally condemn all middle-eastern immigrants.

We should be responsible.  We should keep our eyes open.  We should not think the worst until we have tangible reason to do so.  But to think that middle-easterners are no different than folks who immigrate from other regions of the world, may be unrealistic in my view.

We should treat them with as much respect and courtesy as anyone else.  And just like with anyone else, we should report anything that may indicate a problem.

Heck, people should report anything I do if they seriously perceive a problem.

10 posted on 11/13/2002 5:03:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: RightWhale; Willie Green; pgkdan; IronJack; Siobhan
After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

Nevertheless, some of the anti-Muslim arguments seem to be anecdotal..., you said.

But the article article below expresses the truth, and it is easy to see the principle, both in history, and in today's news, being demonstrated before our eyes. The PC philosophy has blinded many, including GW Bush.

From the article:

America and the Free World now faces a plague of well-armed radical Islamists, dedicated to the destruction of all non-Muslim societies. Wherever the Muslims gain ‘critical mass’, the Islamists go from quiet, seemingly peace-loving people to violent adversaries of their host countries. They create Islamic organizations that use the democratic process of law to undercut the society and nation that has taken them in. It is their belief that they are mandated by Koranic Law to convert all nations into one global Islamic Ummah (nation).

They have not quite reached, "critical mass" yet in this country and that is why they seem "peaceful." It won't be long before that all changes, and when it does, woe to all those who refused to see it coming.

You can read it all here: Rotten to Its Core

Hank

11 posted on 11/13/2002 5:14:07 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Willie Green
I saw this comment from the president and I wish I hadn't. I love President Bush and I support him in most things but there are 2 areas where I think he is dead wrong and this is one of them. Is he just playing politcs with these people or does he really believe it when he says that "Islam is a religion of peace"? He does NOT speak for me when he says that most Americans respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. I do NOT respect any doctrine of demons and murderers nor do I believe that any faithful Christian or Jew does, nor should we. If he really believes this, then he needs to learn more about the true nature of the evil we are confronting. If he is playing politics, well, I don't agree with that either, but I could cut him a little more slack there if he would only get rid of that "religion of peace" mantra. It is an insult.
12 posted on 11/13/2002 5:19:36 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Hank Kerchief
PAt Roberston sure knows how to piss off people.....

13 posted on 11/13/2002 5:20:02 PM PST by KQQL
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To: Marathon
What you said!
14 posted on 11/13/2002 5:22:44 PM PST by STD
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To: KQQL
"PAt Roberston sure knows how to piss off people....."

The truth often has that effect.

15 posted on 11/13/2002 5:28:47 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Willie Green
George Bush may talk tough about Iraq, but the real man is Vladimir Putin.

George Bush puts on a dress and begs at the feet of the mullahs of the "religion of peace" for mercy, while Putin invites the islamists over for some old fashioned justice.

Just wait, 'W' will put on a dress again and play Mexico's bitch and grant amnesty to all the illegal aliens, while simultaneously turning up the heat on taxpayers through the IRS to pay for all the entitlements that come with citizenship.
16 posted on 11/13/2002 5:31:22 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
It's coming...
17 posted on 11/13/2002 5:36:35 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Willie Green
Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans.

Scientific sampling? Are the comments true or false? Nothing about truth and justice is being dealt with here, just public opinion, political pandering, and ecumenical kowtowing.

Most Islamics are at odds with most Americans. Does he ever mention that?

18 posted on 11/13/2002 5:37:20 PM PST by God is good
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To: IronJack
Well said, can you imagine FDR making a statement how most Americans respect and honor Nazis? Yes its wrong to hate all Arabs, but Islam is a self proclaimed idealogy that justifies murder and atrocities.
19 posted on 11/13/2002 5:38:41 PM PST by Godel
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To: God is good
Scientific sampling? Are the comments true or false? Nothing about truth and justice is being dealt with here, just public opinion, political pandering, and ecumenical kowtowing. Most Islamics are at odds with most Americans. Does he ever mention that?

I fear that the President's naivete regarding Islam will cost unecessary blood and treasure until he relizes that those righteous gentiles are right. If he realizes they are :(

20 posted on 11/13/2002 5:41:16 PM PST by UbIwerks
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To: Joe Hadenuf
lol...yep!
21 posted on 11/13/2002 5:42:52 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: Willie Green
By far, the vast majority of American citizens respected the Islamic people and the Muslim faith prior to September 11, 2001.

A clarification, Mr. President.


22 posted on 11/13/2002 5:43:37 PM PST by ppaul
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To: God is good
Most Islamics are at odds with most Americans. Does he ever mention that?

Really, if they are we are in big trouble because there are already over a million of them here. The ones I know are not ready to join a Jihad anytime soon. This thread looks more like the typical hate-filled fear-mongering thread that would be on Dillusionals Underground. Not one of FR highest moments, IMHO.

23 posted on 11/13/2002 5:44:04 PM PST by Always Right
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To: IronJack
It is unlikely that, after Sept. 11, most Americans respect Muslims.

I don't think you've got a clue as to what most Americans think. Bush is standing as a counter to the foaming-at-the-mouth haters of Islam, some of whom are right on this very website.

Robertson and Graham and Falwell do no good egging on those who hate Muslims. Robertson ought to be ashamed of himself for likening the majority of Muslims to "Nazis."

George Bush is trying to keep the lid on. He could do worse than start right here.

24 posted on 11/13/2002 5:45:14 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: KQQL; sweetliberty
Pat Roberston sure knows how to piss off people

The article Rotten to Its Core is by Emanuel A. Winston, a respected analyst and commentator on Middle Eastern affairs.

Hank

25 posted on 11/13/2002 5:45:44 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: VRWC_minion
We have to consider and discuss what WOULD happen if President Bush both believed and stated that "islam is an evil religion of terror, murder and repression of all who love ANY freedom... it is also committed to the destruction of the Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and Branch Davidian religions; not to mention any sect of its own murder obsessed and divisive household of cultlike sects..."

What would MANY Americans DO if he came out and said "Islam is EVIL, and its followers are all crazed, murdering cult members?"

What would happen in the World.

Of course I KNOW he is WRONG if he truly believes Islam means "peace" instead of "forced submission" as it is really translated properly. I do wonder at times what it would be like in the World, if the planet's last great hope for religious liberty, proclaimed 1/4 of the worlds religious adherents to be illegal, people murdering cultists?

Would there be mass pogroms and purgings, concentration camps and planet wide warfare?

Look around us. It's already here, and that is with us claiming islam is peaceful. At some point, we are going to have to realize that islam is a false, murder-death satanic cult, with crazed followers who are intent on killing us all, if we don't reject Jesus Christ, in favor of their false prophet... and lying satanic verses.

I think we would be better off if bush just came out and said it... over ninety percent of the world's trouble spots are instigationally attached to islam... a religion that must be, like nazism, repressed, expunged and purged from the face of the earth.

Islam only understand the sword. If we don't put it to them, they will CERTAINLY do it to us at the very EARLIEST opportunity.

God help us, if Bush does not realize this... because we are very likely beyond help, if he doesn't.
26 posted on 11/13/2002 5:46:43 PM PST by recalcitrant
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To: Dr Warmoose
Just wait, 'W' will put on a dress again and play Mexico's bitch and grant amnesty to all the illegal aliens,

Evidence? Or is this your shoe-size IQ on display?

27 posted on 11/13/2002 5:48:21 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: God is good
Most Islamics are at odds with most Americans. Does he ever mention that?

Most Muslims in America are, in fact, American citizens.

I'll bet God is not proud you use His name in a post like this.

28 posted on 11/13/2002 5:50:50 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I will expect your embarrased apology six months from now.

(BTW, I have heard this from GOP insiders - one who has also said this on the KSFO morning program just a few days ago.)
29 posted on 11/13/2002 5:56:35 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
Awr rite, I wanna see that picture you got of George Bush in a dress. Right now, bring it on, prove it. Lestwise we think you full of hot air and jus wanna stir up hard feelin's.
30 posted on 11/13/2002 5:56:41 PM PST by Wingsofgold
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To: sweetliberty
I believe that "W" plays "Chess," not "Checkers!" "Patience," my FRiend! Doc
31 posted on 11/13/2002 6:13:18 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: Dr Warmoose
I will expect your embarrased apology six months from now.

Don't hold your breath, newbie.

I doubt you know any GOP "insiders."

32 posted on 11/13/2002 6:13:59 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Joe Hadenuf; Dr Warmoose
"It's coming..."

Ditto

33 posted on 11/13/2002 6:32:58 PM PST by blam
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To: sweetliberty
Believe me, you would probably say the same things Bush is, if you were Prez. He can't support comments that arouse a civil war mentality.
34 posted on 11/13/2002 6:33:06 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
Civil War?How many followers of Islam ARE there here?
35 posted on 11/13/2002 6:35:16 PM PST by John W
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To: TheLion
Whoa, buddy! You're going way over peoples heads here. /semi-sarcasm
36 posted on 11/13/2002 6:35:45 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: Willie Green
America has never been a nation based on tolerance. We are a republic based on liberty.
37 posted on 11/13/2002 6:40:26 PM PST by AngryOne
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To: John W
"how many followers of Islam Are there here"....millions? I assume you mean the United States.
38 posted on 11/13/2002 6:43:24 PM PST by TheLion
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To: DoughtyOne
I posted this in May of this year. I believe it represents the president's private thinking on Islam. Of course, as president, he can never express it nor should he.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/687015/posts

Bush Middle East Policy Explained

Are you having a difficult time in understanding the Bush administration's Middle East policy? You are not alone, my friend. Many people across the political spectrum just don't get it either. They see it as inconsistent, flip/flop, disjointed, etc. Well, I see it for the brilliance that it is. Allow me to explain.

Bush is walking a tightrope between our true desire to support Israel and the absolute necessity to appear objective to the Arab nations and Muslims, in general. Contrary to his public statements, Bush does not believe Islam is a religion of peace. While he sees the spread of Islam as a great concern, he also understands that an "us versus them" tact will only exacerbate a very serious problem and subject all free nations of the world to the relentless terrorist attacks that Israel continues to face. Sometimes our policy appears very inconsistent in our support of Israel, but trust that Bush will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with our only true ally in the region if push comes to shove.

In truth, Islam is indefensible as a faith- a complete sham foisted on a simple people, 800 million of whom can't read the Quran in the only language considered valid- Arabic (conveniently Mohammed's own dialect, no less). Mohammed was a violent, epileptic fit-inspired, plagiarizing, male chauvinistic, racist black slave holding (this will surprise the Black Muslims), child molester (Aisha, age 9) with an insatiable thirst for power, women, fame, and fortune and certainly no prophet of God.

Bush understands that only a gradual education of the Muslim masses will turn the tide. To do this, we cannot close our borders to immigrants from Muslim nations as many have called for, but invite them and expose them to a truly free nation founded on Judeo-Christian values and principles (well, it used to be before the liberals started mucking with things). We literally have to love them into the freedoms of democracy, capitalism, and the one true God.

Bush has been playing the events since 9/11 strategically correct by applying the principles of Dale Carnegie as written in How to Win Friends and Influence People. He has 1) made Arabs/Muslims feel important and has done so in a sincere manner, 2) shown respect for their opinions, 3) tried honestly to see things from their point of view, 4) been sympathetic with their ideas and desires, 5) appealed to their nobler motives, 6) thrown down challenges, 7) given praise and honest appreciation, 8) called attention to their mistakes indirectly, 9) let them save face, 10) praised their slightest improvements, 11) give them a fine reputation to live up to, 12) made them believe that any deficiencies in their behavior are easy to correct, and 13) avoided direct conflict as much as humanly possible.

Bush is not yielding to the Arab nations for their oil, as many believe. Our own technology will soon take us beyond the need for their oil. We will be left with the same dilemma- an ever-growing group of people that are being taught through their faith that those who reject Islam should be slaughtered. Bush is honestly trying to save them from themselves and the rest of us in the process. He understands that coalition forces cannot win an "us versus them" conflict without killing millions of innocent Muslims who blindly follow the teachings of Islam unto death. Until such time as Arab nations and Muslims mature spiritually, intellectually, economically, and politically this tact is a necessity. Bush is a saint with the wisdom of Solomon. Support him with your words and prayers!

39 posted on 11/13/2002 6:43:57 PM PST by Rockitz
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To: sinkspur
I don't think you've got a clue as to what most Americans think.

No, but you do.

Bush is standing as a counter to the foaming-at-the-mouth haters of Islam, some of whom are right on this very website.

Damn right! Stand up and be counted!

Robertson ought to be ashamed of himself for likening the majority of Muslims to "Nazis."

Yeah, what's he got against Nazis?

George Bush is trying to keep the lid on.

So was Neville Chamberlain. So did Vidkun Quisling.

He could do worse than start right here.

Yeah, he could do nothing at all. Or worse yet, try to appease people who have sworn eternal vengeance against us.

40 posted on 11/13/2002 6:46:16 PM PST by IronJack
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To: John W
Just checked and found there are 5 to 8 million muslims in the states.
41 posted on 11/13/2002 6:48:38 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Willie Green
NOT!!!!!!!!
42 posted on 11/13/2002 6:50:13 PM PST by tutstar
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To: pgkdan
Where the evil religion is concerned he seems to have blinders on.

So, that WAS what Bush wore at that little, Islamic White House soire held last week, for Muslims?

43 posted on 11/13/2002 6:54:42 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: IronJack
Or worse yet, try to appease people who have sworn eternal vengeance against us.

Muslims who happen to be American citizens have sworn eternal vigilance against "us"?

I must have missed it.

44 posted on 11/13/2002 6:56:12 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: VRWC_minion
You get it. See my post #39.
45 posted on 11/13/2002 6:58:11 PM PST by Rockitz
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To: sinkspur
Robertson and Graham and Falwell do no good egging on those who hate Muslims. Robertson ought to be ashamed of himself for likening the majority of Muslims to "Nazis."

George Bush is trying to keep the lid on. He could do worse than start right here.

Well said,
Bush is also reminding people that he is President of ALL Americans, in a country that stands for religious freedom for ALL, including Muslims.

He's trying to stamp out the fires all this follish and divisive rhetoric causes, and trying to prevent further unecessary hostility and polarization....because it is tactically wise for him in the war on terrorism.
I think Bush is handling this extremely well.

46 posted on 11/13/2002 7:01:46 PM PST by Jorge
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To: sinkspur
Don't put words in my mouth. You have a full time job trying to put the correct words in your own.

And yeah, you must have missed Taliban Johnny and the Beltway snipers. They were in all the papers.

47 posted on 11/13/2002 7:03:40 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
And yeah, you must have missed Taliban Johnny and the Beltway snipers. They were in all the papers.

Not American citizens, Jack.

Bush is talking about American citizens who are Muslim.

You're a bit confused yourself.

48 posted on 11/13/2002 7:05:35 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Rockitz
I'm not going to rip your offering to shreds, but I do have some problems with it. Number one, I can't believe a strategy that sees ten million moslems immigrated to the US is going to influence 800 million to live by humane policies. The numbers just don't support that theory. There will be between 50 and 100 million Moslem children born in the next five years. They will not live in the US and will be taught by parents and school systems very skeptical of the US.

I must also say, that when you want your policies to be understood, you have to explain them in a clear, firm and completely understood manner. You can't tiptoe through the toolies and hope that your ideals will win out.

Bush is human. Humans do make mistakes. Bush is no different than other humans in that respect. I don't think my comments above were a damning to him. They were reasoned and accurate from my point of view.

I am sorry that I am unable to buy off on the version you posted, but it was interesting reading. However, I don't have a problem with praying for him or supporting him when I can.

49 posted on 11/13/2002 7:06:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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See Post #39. Hopefully it clears up the president's motives.
50 posted on 11/13/2002 7:09:35 PM PST by Rockitz
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