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Is it time to cry wolf? (Wolves in Vermont?)
St Albans (VT) Messenger ^ | Friday, November 15 | LEON THOMPSON

Posted on 11/16/2002 5:20:31 AM PST by Straight Vermonter

SWANTON ­­ Tim Kougias has a mystery on his hands, and he knows it may remain unsolved, but it has added a touch of excitement to his life nonetheless.

On Tuesday, the Swanton resident and his wife, Maria, had just returned from a lengthy trip to Greece, Tim's homeland. As they settled back into their Country Club Estates home, Tim set his video camera on the kitchen counter.

"What is that?" Maria asked suddenly, pointing to the edge of their backyard, which straddles a wooded area.

Roaming along that border was a dog, or so Tim thought, until he noticed it was abnormally large, gray with a rusty tint and collar-less.

"It was big and huge," he recalled yesterday. "I knew it wasn't a dog, and I knew it wasn't a fox."

So Tim shot it.

With his video camera.

Tim's short footage is a bit shaky, but the animal can be seen clearly. As Tim's camera zooms in on the creature, it looks amazingly like a wolf.

Or a large coyote.

Or a wolf.

Or a large coyote.

"I don't know which one it is," Tim said.

When Tim's friend Joe Desrochers, of Swanton, saw the enigmatic footage, he told Kougias about the small pack of wolves experts say live in the Quebec wilderness, about 20 miles from the U.S. border on the south side of the St. Lawrence River.

Desrochers knew experts had predicted those wolves or their offspring will find their way to northern New England forests.

European settlers worked for centuries to eliminate wolves from the Northeastern U.S. and succeeded about a century ago. There has been debate about whether wolves should be reintroduced to the region, but the recent developments in Quebec could stop that argument.

Now another question remains: Did Tim Kougias photograph a wolf?

"When I saw Tim's film and remembered what I heard about in Quebec, I thought, 'This is weird timing,'" Desrochers said. "It looks like a wolf to me, but I'm no expert."

Residents from northeastern sections of the county, where coyotes are rampant, said yesterday they thought the animal looked like the coyotes they see roaming near their homes. Kougias and Desrochers hope to show the footage to a wildlife expert for a more educated guess.

In any event, the Kougiases have captured a gorgeous wild animal in a sliver of time.

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Contact Leon Thompson at 524-9771, ext. 112, or leon@samessenger.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; esa; sss; wolfattack; wolfattacks; wolfpacks; wolves; wolvesattack
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To: usconservative
I read reports around the Fox River in Kane County and surrounding areas.

Think about how the minor league baseball team got its name.
41 posted on 11/17/2002 8:06:22 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Straight Vermonter
Sounds like the same deal in Delaware County, PA. Domestic pet on the loose. I don't know the final outcome, but the one there had a pretty good range before it was over? You let enough pets like this loose and you can't let the kids out in the woods without a gun. Kinda sorta like we found this country.
42 posted on 11/17/2002 12:11:58 PM PST by ReaganIsRight
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To: BillCompton
I found several sites about wolves attacking humans in North America, on google. The first few reports are from the past, but keep reading, there are more current ones. According to the writer of the report, the attack must be by a wolf that was never around humans, must result in the death of the human who was attacked, and the wolf must be killed, tested for rabies, and found to be non-rabid before they will consider it an "attack on a human."

Nevertheless, there are some.

Here ya go--cut and paste that into your browser..

http://www.natureswolves.com/human/aws_wolfattacks.htm

43 posted on 11/17/2002 3:08:03 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: BillCompton; Straight Vermonter; usconservative; Clemenza
Unless they have rabies, wolves are not dangerous. You have watched one too many disney movies.

They're extrememly dangerous, to America that is.

Enviros put these carnivores where they don't belong and then go about the process of bullying the surrounding communities off their property in order to give these animals "territory". All because suburban pipe-dreaming idiots and "backbackers" get all warm and fuzzy and decide to play God. Meanwhile the elitists among us are using them as a tool to further their agenda.

Most re-intoduced wolves aren't even the natural species. They're hybrids that lose their fear of humans during the "re-introduction" and other interaction.

They and other unatural predators (like the cross-bred inbred "Florida Panthers) are some of the most dangerous creatures on earth. I know this first hand.

My suggestion is if you see one these creatures anywhere near where you live, rid your area of them by any means necessary. Or suffer the consequences.

44 posted on 11/17/2002 3:31:50 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
They and other unatural predators (like the cross-bred inbred "Florida Panthers) are some of the most dangerous creatures on earth. I know this first hand.

Those inbred Florida Panthers are doing a good job of killing themselves, whether through fighting or by getting hit by cars on the Tamiami Trail or Alligator Alley.

In all honesty, the most dangerous animal in Florida is the "endangered" American Crocodile. Currently, the tend to hang around the southern part (Flamingo) of Everglades National Park. I only hope that they don't reproduce enough to start moving elsewhere along the coast.

45 posted on 11/17/2002 4:39:16 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: Clemenza
I only hope that they don't reproduce enough to start moving elsewhere along the coast.

They won't. They have to have the consistant climate in the south and they (unlike gators) thrive in salt water. Salt water turns a gators brains into mush after a while.

Leave the gun, take the Canoles.

46 posted on 11/17/2002 5:13:24 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: JimVT
What I don't understand is why the coyotes in the east are so damned large? The ones we saw this summer in the UP of Mi are almost twice as big as our backyard "pets" in NV.
47 posted on 11/17/2002 5:38:00 PM PST by Righty1
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To: Righty1
Hybrids, with local dogs imho.
48 posted on 11/17/2002 6:09:17 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: BillCompton
Yes. There was a series in Field & Stream (I think, but it could have been Sports Afield). It was by Olive Fredeckson (I think) in the mid-60's one was titled "The Wolves were the Worst". She lived alone in the woods of Canada and did a lot of hunting and trapping. Good series.

I just wrote Field & Stream asking for a compilation of Corey Ford's Lower Forty. They could probably put every issue of the magazine ever printed on a CD.

49 posted on 11/18/2002 11:39:25 AM PST by ReaganIsRight
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To: Judith Anne
Makes sense, especially given the fact that small dogs are summarily eaten.
50 posted on 11/18/2002 5:04:52 PM PST by Righty1
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To: toddst
Wolves have one advantage over hunters i.e. they cull the herd. With deer carrying Lymes and CWD that is not a bad year round option.
51 posted on 11/18/2002 5:12:17 PM PST by Righty1
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To: Righty1
Wolves have one advantage over hunters i.e. they cull the herd. With deer carrying Lymes and CWD that is not a bad year round option.

Do you not care that wolves DO attack humans? Here's one account, recent. There are others.

http://www.paragonpowerhouse.org/camper_wakes_up_as_wolf_attacks.htm

Camper wakes up as wolf attacks

  by The Associated Press     VICTORIA, B.C. - A 23-year-old man is recovering in Victoria General Hospital after an extremely rare wolf attack on a human. Scott Langevin, 23, required 50 stitches to close a wound on his head. A third of his scalp was shaved to allow for a crisscross of gashes to be treated.

  The wolf also bit Langevin on his left forefinger. The University of Victoria student said he was asleep early Sunday morning outside his tent on Vargas Island near Tofino when he was awakened by something tugging at the foot of his sleeping bag.

  He told a local television station he awoke to find a dark-colored wolf.

  "I yelled to try to spook it off, and I kicked at it," Langevin said.

  "It backed up a bit, but then it just lunged on top of me, and it started biting away through my sleeping bag."

  Langevin said he rolled over in an attempt to get the campfire between him and the wolf, but the animal jumped on his back and began biting his head.   He said he yelled to attract the attention of the rest of his camping buddies, members of a kayaking excursion.

  Boaters Dave Leblanc and Doug Leys responded to the call about 1:30 a.m. Sunday.   Langevin was losing blood quickly but was conscious when he was loaded aboard the boat. He was eventually airlifted to Victoria.

  Wolf attacks on humans are extremely rare, said Bill Woodhouse, a recreation officer with British Columbia Parks.

  "There has never been a wolf attack in a park," Woodhouse said. "Wolves normally stay away from man."

  Conservation officers tracked and killed two wolves in the area yesterday.

Posted: 7/06/2000

52 posted on 11/18/2002 6:08:40 PM PST by toddst
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To: toddst
Thanks for posting the report. I don't trust wolves, and though this sounds like a wolf on it's own, in packs I think they are even more dangerous to humans.
53 posted on 11/18/2002 8:17:11 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: toddst
By your logic all mammalian predators, poisonous reptiles and arachnids, as well as sharks should be dispatched from the planet forthwith. Coyotes bite many more people than wolves, deer are involved in many fatal car crashes, cougars like to eat female joggers and grizzlies are about as dangerous as an animal gets. I don't understand the preoccupation with wolves?
54 posted on 11/18/2002 8:45:55 PM PST by Righty1
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To: Righty1
Well, the article WAS posted about wolves. Maybe it's just this thread. ;-D
55 posted on 11/18/2002 9:09:00 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Righty1
By your logic all mammalian predators, poisonous reptiles and arachnids, as well as sharks should be dispatched from the planet forthwith. Coyotes bite many more people than wolves, deer are involved in many fatal car crashes, cougars like to eat female joggers and grizzlies are about as dangerous as an animal gets. I don't understand the preoccupation with wolves?

That's not what I said or implied. I'm opposed to the re-introduction of wolves to areas within the US where they have been eliminated. They are ferocious predators and create threats to humans now occupying space where re-introduction is being carried out. Further, the wolves are provided excessive protection from being destroyed by people who are threatened.

Coyotes are another matter. They have extended their range way beyond their original boundaries and are very destructive to small game populations nationwide. In my area they are classified as a pest and can be hunted all year (other than during deer seasons.)

If the wolf is re-introduced then people should not be prevented from protecting themselves and their livestock from them. If protection of self and property is not part of the program then re-introduction of wolves becomes a part of the effort to push people off the land. Not acceptable.

56 posted on 11/19/2002 3:36:14 AM PST by toddst
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To: Judith Anne
Thanks for posting the report. I don't trust wolves, and though this sounds like a wolf on it's own, in packs I think they are even more dangerous to humans.

I agree with your concern about wolf packs. There are other reports of attacks on humans but I haven't searched for wolf packs specifically.

57 posted on 11/19/2002 4:11:37 AM PST by toddst
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To: toddst
"I yelled to try to spook it off, and I kicked at it," Langevin said.

Right there tells you why the Wolf attacked this guy. As any wildlife expert tells you, if a wild animal is approaching you, ie. bear, cougar, and other animals, play dead. Do not entice the animal. And that is what this guy did.

The wolf was just curious, and when he tried to kick it, that is what upset the Wolf, and made it attack.

If we try to kick a normal house dog, does it not become offensive, and try to attack us back?

This is just my opinion

58 posted on 02/01/2004 6:36:54 AM PST by JoshNY
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