Posted on 11/17/2002 1:42:19 PM PST by Mensch
Real teachers (and some ed school students), who want to teach real students ... Here are some real postings on online education discussion groups, newsgroups and teacher forums (with some comments added).
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Don't you just bet that both the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. are giving thanks to the "almighty" that they are not on any kind of system that is linked in anyway shape or form to Merit Pay. Especially after the World Trade Towers, the Pentagon, and the Anthrax debacle. Cheap shot i know, but doe's prove a point in so much that Merit Pay doe's not stand the close inspection of cold hard logic.
I'll bet you're outraged at the idea that a teacher who uses good grammar, sentence structure, capitalization and punctuation should get paid more!!!
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I'm still a college student, working on a B.S. in Elementary Education ... I want to teach middle school mathematics. ... Why do I have to take chemistry, biology, music, art, english, spanish, geography, history, political science, etc. when I want to be a middle school math teacher?
A teacher posted a great reply:
Gee, it would really be terrible to be a highly intelligent, well-educated teacher, wouldn't it? I'm not sure if I have the patience to address this here. It's bad enough when we have to convince our young, unenlightened students that education is important for education's sake. But for a potential teacher? ...
You remind me of the English student-teachers I recently encountered - one of whom hates to read, and the other who has the worst grammar imaginable in his conversations with other teachers and parents. I consider each of them an embarrassment to the profession.
I guess my point is that we have enough teachers who really don't like 'education', who don't see any value in being 'well-educated'. Maybe you should consider another career.
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Achieving technology infusion can be a real challenge for teachers today, but ... help is here! The Technology Infusion ToolKit 2000 ... offers teachers a wealth of resources for achieving technology infusion. A set of 6 steps takes you through a process of thinking about your teaching style and, based on your input, offers you ideas for achieving technology infusion. Online resources are provided to keep your ToolKit updated. The ToolKit comes with CD and a reflective journal.
... If you hold it right, the CD is reflective, too! And good luck with that infusion!
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I have a few "fun type" resources [for my math classes]. I have found students quite enjoy these activities ... Numerology is one topic ... I am looking for further resources and ideas for furthering this theme... I also want the students to prepare a poster on a number that has special significance to them. Ideas that have come to mind so far are ~ the number of their favourite sports star, ~ the historical significance of a number in a particular culture, ~ a more indepth look at numerology, ~ numbers of special mathematical significance (happy numbers, prime numbers etc.), I welcome your comments, advice, input and ideas.
... Here's some ideas in the same vein: solving word problems with a Ouija board, doing historical research with a seance, and mastering map skills by plotting a course back to your home star in the Pleiades.
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For a unit I am creating I want to have my students make their own landfill. I've heard of it being done before, but I can't find any details. If anyone can direct me to lesson plans or has any suggestions let me know!
This lesson plan could be self-referential, as well: Just add it to the landfill!
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I am a new teacher and have just been given the keys to my room. I'll be teaching ... kindergarten ... and have absolutely no idea where to begin going through the materials in my room and organizing everything! The previous teacher has everything sorted fairly well and organized into boxes and plastic tubs, but I'm not sure what I should start looking at or organizing. Does anyone have any suggestions? I have approximately 10 days before school begins and I'm panicing [sic]. Also, what supplies (if any) should I be purchasing for myself or the classroom before school starts?
... Just wondering ... what exactly did they do in ed school?
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hi!!
i have just recently finished my degree in teaching and was wondering if any one has any tips on effective classroom management skills and discipline? hope to hear from you soon!
OK, there's yet another good entry for the "Just what DO they do in ed school" folder.
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I am trying to come up with a catchy theme for my teaching portfolio. I'd like it to be different from the others, with some "out of the box" thinking. Any ideas? I was thinking something about building community, student-centered, and life-long learning. My creative juices just aren't flowing! Thanks.
... Out of the box? Different from the others? How about this: "Lively, engaged, content-rich teaching, celebrating factual knowledge and research-based methods"
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I am putting the finishing touches on my portfolio this evening as I have my first job interview tomorrow. I feel that I have nice balance of "blurbs," lesson plans, student work, example assessments, and photos. My portfolio is categorized into four areas: Building Community, Self-Directed Learning, Collaboration and Research Using Technology, and Working with Diverse Learners. To introduce each area I included a quote that was relevant and wrote a small blurb explaining what was included in that section. All in all, I feel good about it. And yes, I am secondary English, and yes, themes are very important. We just finished human rights .
... Hmmm .. is pursuit of knowledge a human right?
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I have a lesson plan on snow crystals that I need to elaborate on with the help from professional educators. I am a student at PSU majoring in Elementary Education. This is a requirement for a college course that I am taking. My lesson currently consists of a Power Point presentation that I designed, reading the book Snowflake Bentley and having the children make 6 sided snow crystals out of paper coffee filters. The lesson is aimed at 3-5 grade. Can any teachers out there help me? Anyone with knowledge of any good interactive web sites pertaining to this topic?
... Darn, I just can't think of any good interactive websites to teach 11-year-olds how to do day care projects.
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I teach grade 11 and 12 level algebra and trig to adults at a small college. ... I started putting rules and formulas to song. For example on the first day or so of class I usually serenade those who tell me that they are afraid of math with a rendition of: Hey You don't be afraid / Math can't hurt you / It's really not that bad. / The minute you let it into your heart / Then you can start to learn it better / Learning Math can be fun / Math is fun, hey you.... (to the tune of Hey Jude, in case you didn't guess)
... Do wah ditty, ditty's dumb, doo-wah do.
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I'm working on my final portfolio for graduation. When I get burned out on the writing piece, I've been doing the divider pages for different sections. One of the things I've been working on when the writing gets to be overwhelming. [sic] So far, the Understanding Children page is decorated with pictures of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) making all sorts of faces; the Arts and Humanities page has Calvin and Hobbes dancing on one side to a record player and Calvin coloring in another corner; I have several cartoons for the Math section, but I have to decide which one(s) to use. ... Here's the request. Does anyone have pictures or cartoons that you might send to me? ...
Here's one of Charlie Brown saying, "Sigh"
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I am about to study the movie "The Truman Show" with a small group of 15-16yr old students who are doing a course in practical English.
Another teacher thought that sounded just great, and added... If you are looking to discuss *the nature of reality* you might try "The Matrix." Bright 16 year olds will love the movie and you can really get into a lively discussion of *what is real?* using this movie.
Refreshingly, a third teacher said... Yes. Children need to see more movies.
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I am currently a first year education major. I am taking educ2000. I have to do a project on authentic assessment. I was wondering if any of you have any ideas on any type of project i can do with the classroom. I am looking for something interactive that i can use to get my lesson across. So that the class can learn about the subject of authentic assessment.
How's this for authentic assessment: You get a "D" in writing and grammar.
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Does anyone have any idea of what social and emotional learning means. I am taking an excellerated [sic] 5 day course regarding classroom management behaviors. The instructor assigned our group the topic of defining and exploring social and emotional learning. I am going to do much online researching but I wanted to get some opinions from anyone on here....as soon as possible.
Uh, sounds like social learning is when you or whoever you work for pays good money to send you to a seminar. But instead of a solid, fact-filled week of sessions, you get placed in a "group" and are supposed to make up answers by yourself out of thin air.
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I need some help with surveys. I'm taking my final graduate class and my project needs to have surveys dealing with attitude about science and different topics in physics. Where do I start. I want to start writing them up and get them ready for the spring. thanks
Survey Question 1) Isn't your final graduate class a little late to ask "Where do I start?"
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When teaching the basic units to primary students what is a method that is suggested to use?
You mean, basic units such as grammar?
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Only if our society realize that there are so many factors contributing to a student's test score, then teachers will be willing to take the blam game. Who is to blam when students don't do homeworks? who is to blam when pareants don't care to come to the teacher pareant conference?
(This is from a letter sent to the New York Post by a certified high school social studies teacher in New York.)
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We have just been given the fund approval for an elementary math lab - all the students will visit the lab each week grades k-5. We have lots of manipulatives, but we do not have a program to follow other than our state standards. The lab is to focus on hands-on, problem solving. The classroom teacher will still have the math lesson each day that follows the text. The thought for the lab is to supplement that program - but there has to be a program, not a hodge-podge of "one shot" lessons.
Now here's someone who knows the system: get the money first, then make up something to do with it.
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Can any one [sic] suggest book titles for 8th grade physical science students. I need to get more titles that they can read and it should relate to science. It can be environmental or science fiction. Is any one doing this?
I hoped not. But then it got worse with this follow-up posting...
I am currently a masters student. My thesis topic is the use of science fiction as a tool in science education.
And then still worse...
I used to do this with my senior physics students. I now do a sci fi movie report with my grade 12 physics.
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I am looking for ideas for a lesson to present in one of my classes. The lesson is for early grades, and needs to have something to do with "individual development and identity" - one of the strands of social studies according to a book I'm reading. Please help me out, I'd like either ideas or sites to find ideas.
Find a different book. Look under "H" for history, or "G" for geography.
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In a discussion on books with gritty themes, one teacher wrote,
I didn't "teach" such books to children (9th grade, 14-15 years old), but I have recommended, purchased, and allowed students to read the books for the Independent Reading program that I implement. I refer mostly to books with lots of violence, including many horror books and lots of "true crime" (esp. murder/sex crimes) books that some kids, especially those with troubled pasts, really eat up. I don't worry about it, because all of these books are in public libraries, and their parents know what they are reading.
The only book that I've asked parent permission for is "Push" by Sapphire. It's a true story written in her semi-literate tongue and (Harlem) dialect, and deals with her educational "experience", her physical and sexual abuse by her mother and father (graphically depicted), and her generally dreadful childhood which ultimately led to coming around to being an educated author. It's ultimately positive, but is very ugly most of the time.
It's a fascinating story -- most kids read it in 2-3 days, and for many, it's the first book that they've read.
Gasp.
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I am a secondary school teacher ... and I'm currently running a debating club for students. ... Does anyone know of any good Internet sites for students that give good "for and against" outlines on current debatable topics?
Wouldn't the ability to be able to construct lists of pro and con points be one of the basic skills to be mastered in the art of debate?
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Hello..I have been working on lessons on earthquakes. I need some new ideas on how to do some activities with faults, types of stress, and or folding.
Here's one of the helpful replies that teacher received:
Tie it in with a Home Economics class: gravy that is just below the simmering point. (Particularly for a thick gravy, the layer on top will be inconsistent, and will have fault lines and other structures as parts cool and others heat.)
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I am looking for a recipe on how to mummify a chicken. I came across this at one time and now I can't find it. Please help. I need this ASAP.
WIll numbing a student do?
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I want to know where I can learn how to flash-freeze a swimming-pool-sized amount of ice. Where should I go?
Uh, Batman comics?
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An ed school student posts ... Hello, I am starting tutoring this Wednesday in Maryland. I will be tutoring 6th or 7th graders in math, things like fractions and decimals. I wanted to open my first tutoring session with something creative and fun that has to do with math. Considering that math is my worst subject, and I don't favor it at all, Im short on ideas. Could anyone please send me some suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it!
Here's a creative and fun idea: Find literary works on the theme, "the blind leading the blind."
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One of the most popular units of the year is the interdisciplinary, two month unit on King Arthur.
One can only wish this post was fictional, too.
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What are you reading in your 8th grade class? This is my first year at this level and I'm interested in what others are doing. Thanks. Right now I am doing a read aloud of Paulsen's Harris and Me. We will also do The Giver, Streams to the River River to the Sea (civics connection), The Weirdo (civics and science connection), The Outsiders, plus the kids have self-choice books they read.
This is a joke, right?
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I would like to inform you about a recently published book, Radical Change, by Eliza T. Dresang. ... In the book, Dresang describes "Radical Change" as a break from society's traditional way of looking at literature and young adults. ... According to Dresang, this change from traditional literature includes characteristics [such as] interactivity, connectivity, and the access of the digital world.
So, why did she write it as a book?
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A post on a math teachers' message board...
Subject: Veteran's Day lesson plans Does anyone know where I can get interdisciplinary lesson plans for Veterans' Day? A posted reply...
How about something about how we saved France twice in world wars, after which they went on to teach their children math while we do interdisciplinary lesson plans?
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Finally, a biology teacher gets a reply he almost certainly didn't expect...
What teaching or other methods have you found to be successful in motivating and stimulating students to learn, especially college or HS biology/science? Active learning ideas? Group activity ideas? Lab based instruction methods? Problem sets / case studies? ANY ideas welcome... please brainstorm and share! ... [I am a community college biology teacher and am seeking research on this issue ... to help students learn in the classroom.]
A student sets him straight ...
I am a college junior currently taking a Physical Science course ... I think that it is probably the worst class that I have ever taken, the instuctor doesn't teach. She basically stands in front of the room, mentions something and then has the class discuss it in small groups. ... she offers no guidance or instruction. Also, almost all of the class activities are done in groups. Even part of each exam is a group problem. I think that some group work is okay, but not all the time. I like to do projects on my own because I can get them done and not have to wait for the rest of my group.
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Measuring Success?
Here's a thread that will be of interest...
I am not teacher but I could really use some help from some teachers I am the foreman at a company that is running out of good employees. The problem is that 90% of the guys we bring in can't find an 1/8" on a tape measure . Their job depends on them being able to locate 1/64". This is a fairly good job and most of these guys will do whatever is necessary to keep it. But we are having a very hard time teaching them how to read a ruler and understanding fractions .
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Does anyone wonder how one can graduate from high school and not know how to read a tape measure?
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I was talking to the manager of an auto repair shop -- he's had high school seniors working in his shop that had not a clue if asked for the next size up from a 1/2" crescent wrench. I have tutored seniors who couldn't get through the big bad TAAS/math test so that they could graduate .. yes, they could find the 1" mark .. the 2" mark and knew what they were, but, anything between, forget it. We have teachers today who (actually) believe that there is no reason to teach fractions.
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My daughter is in technical theater and is a master carpenter. But when she was in high school, she, as a sophomore, had seniors who could not measure working with her. Often, she simply got tired of trying to teach them and just told them to go away when she needed accuracy of measurement.
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When we had the construction company we often found that the first thing we had to do with a new employee was teach them how to read a ruler. One time the school system sent out a questionnaire as to what they could do to better prepare students for the working sector. We explained the need for a return to the basics...
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Scary Student Postings
Here are some student postings that will fill you with emotions about our educational system...
we are learning about the human genome in my human heredity and development class, and i was wondering if people were for or against it? what do you think about it? let me know! thanks :)
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IM DOING A REPORT ON JAIME ESCALANTE NEED INFORMATION ON HIM B4 MONDAY HIS LIFESTYLE WHEN WAS HE BORN AND WHERE AND WAT DID HE ACCOMPLISHED SEND ME INFORMATION ...
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I would be very grateful if you could reply to the following question, as part of a survey I am undertaking for a college course; Question - Do you think that there is an actual hole in the Ozone Layer? What reason is behind your answer of Yes or No? Thank you very much
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Me and my group have to design a presentation entitled "Geometry, Our Key to Progress." Our presentation should contain tessellation's, and I was wandering if you had any ideas. We have to construct them ourselves, so if you have any ideas that may help us we would appreciate it. Thanks
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Yo ya all, i need to no what a frequency chart is. I looked it up in 3 dictionarys, and they didnt have it. I sorta foregot it. Its the only chart that i foregot in 6th grade. darn. Well, §ee ya
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Hey what's up? my name is [deleted] i'm a garde 10 student i live in halifax nova scotia in canada and i would like to get some help for one of my math calsses i would like to get help on timetables in any way or from we are doind difrent serches to see what can be helpful in our math calss so if there is any one out there with any ideas sties or want to help plese get back and email me on this thanks alot
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Does anyone have anything on the civil war if you do please such a address Thank you
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Last week, I made an inquiry post on soc.culture.asian.american asking if anyone knew of any books about Asian Americans in World War One. Someone actually asked if the U.S. was in World War One.
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Please tell me how I can find the diameter of a circle if I know the radius. Thanks!
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LOL!
It is no wonder our "educators" do not want to be held accountable. They would not have a job.
I fix things for a living. A customer will call my company with a problem. The problem is given to me, and I solve it. My company charges a lot of money for solving customer's problems, and so if I am not able to solve their problems, they do not want to pay their bills. If customer do not pay their bills, I get fired.
This is called accountability.
Each day I am given new problems, I can not hide, I can not run, I can not form a committee or write a report, I can not fake it nor can I lie about it. I must solve the problems as presented, day in and day out.
I do not get every holiday known to man off. I do not get teacher's days off. I do not get two weeks for Easter or two weeks for Christmas off. I don't get three months summer vacation. But I am held accountable for what I do.
Accountability is what makes me good at what I do.
Truth be known, a teacher's job is more important then my job, you would think they would want to be the best they can be, but without accountablility, you drift to the lowest expectations.
PH said: You didn't know?
Well, I didn't know until I became a Cub Scout Leader. My 7yo son is educated at home, so I have no idea what they teach in the local public school. It is certainly not reading, writing, or math.
Don't get me wrong. I love the boys in my den, but I am saddened at the quality of education they are receiving. I can't believe that millions of parents sit still for this.
Even worse, I think it's fair to say that Scout parents are generally more involved with their children than the population at large. So, it must be even worse than I think...
It's worse. I pulled my daughters out of high school after Columbine and enrolled them in a correspondence school. I looked at the material when it arrived and was disappointed because it was, IMO, 7th or 8th grade-level.
The startling thing was the response I got from my girls a week after they started these lessons...they said they had learned more in one week of the correspondence school than in an entire year of high school!
We need to revolt or something.
If you research some of the turn-of-the-century textbooks, you recognize that only a hundred years ago it was once perfectly reasonable to expect that a six-year-old should be able to read, do three-digit addition and subtraction, have some understanding of government, play musical instruments, even study classical languages.
I don't doubt that public education has broadened the opportunities for mass education. Still, the qualtiy of that education has been lost along the way.
Relative to his peers he probably is. I looked at an IQ scale not too long ago that listed people with IQs of 120 as "highly gifted".
My oldest daught at age 13 had an IQ of 153 - which was scarey because her teachers all probably had IQs much lower than that.
Probably?
Probably?
You must be kinding. It's a virtual metaphysical certitude that no public grade school or high school teacher is going to have an IQ anywhere close to this. Your daughter was at least 3 sigma ahead of most of her teachers, and in some cases, probably 4+.
Aw, golly...she got it from her Mum (who is bored in graduate school) ;-)
Well OK then. The last project was a research paper using APA style. BTW- APA was a foreign term to them. One of the students sent me a "paper" lifted completely from the internet. All I had to do was go to Google and type in the first few lines and there it was! I confronted the student who proceeded to scold me saying that I was the first teacher ever to confront him and what was so bad about copying something "good" from the internet! Yes, you may have guessed - a future secondary school teacher.
In front of the lot of them, I wrote an elementary calculus problem on the chalk board and asked my girls to solve it. They both did (correctly).
The Principal looked at each of the teachers and left the room. I had no more problems with those "teachers".
A phyrric victory. While the teachers may not have given you any more trouble, did they do anything in terms of providing your daughters with appropriate course material, instead of the boring arithmetic problems to which they were already being subjected?
Oh heck no. I took the girls to my physics and math lectures, plus supplemented their education at home...and repeatedly told them they were smarter than everyone else including their teachers.
Elitist...? Yes, I'll admit to that. But a MUCH better alternative to having them grow up thinking they weren't good enough (as I did) just because they were "different".
Far out man...take another boast and yogurt bath...
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