Posted on 11/17/2002 5:09:55 PM PST by Coleus
Edited on 07/06/2004 6:38:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Every time there's an election in New Jersey these days, the Republican Party finds itself caught in the middle of a loud and very public battle between the pro-lifers and the pro-choicers. The result is pro-Democrat.
Is there any chance of this ending soon? I doubt it. The problem here is that many people mistakenly assume that the pro-life movement is a natural outgrowth of conservative philosophy and that it therefore belongs in the Republican Party.
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Secondly, you'll hear a lot of rhetoric out of the Left about being "pro-choice". But since when did Planned Parenthood set up adoption clinics? The only choice they are interested is not a choice at all, it's reaching for the abortionist's forceps.
Now there are certain things which should be made illegal immediately, such as partial birth abortion, which is a crime against humanity. As for "generic" abortions, it will take a large cultural change to effect its removal - but as your friend's reaction showed, those who have been through it are not the same afterwards. It's a horrible thing. And as such it needs to be exposed for what it is.
Love, Ivan
People can "choose" to "terminate a pregnancy", but they can't "decide" to "kill an unborn baby". If once we can change the language of the debate, public attitudes will change.
Regarding your previous post as to who is having abortions--actually I'm pretty sure the percentage of abortions among black women is proportionally much higher, which surprised me. But you're right about why most abortions are done; because the teenage girl doesn't want her parents to find out, because the young woman doesn't want a baby to interrupt her college education, because she doesn't want it to interrupt her burgeoning career, because the time "isn't right" or the father "isn't the right one", etc.
What an idiotic attempt at an argument.
Try this:
"If I am, for example, an adult Republican woman of sound mind, I have to ask exactly what service the givernment is providing me by banning murder. I already have the power to keep myself from committing murder."
Since abortion entails the ripping apart of little guys in their mama's wombs, I'll let somebody explain the difference to me.
Megadittos.
In short, none. The 'service' by the government isn't to you, madam. The 'service' is to your child. And it is the same as the service the government provides you (as one of the lucky adults that lived to be born) when the state makes it illegal for men to rape and kill you. At least you can fight back. Your child cannot. I pray for you and your children.
The government is not providing a ``service’’ by banning an abortion, they are defending an intrinsic right. Is the government providing a ``service'' by banning the murder of an adult? No, they are merely protecting a right that the constitution recognizes every person already has. The government has no authority to give us the right to life, we already have it. The government can merely perform certain actions to make sure these rights are protected. And just like the government doesn't grant us that right, it has no authority to decide who qualifies for it. We all intrinsically have that right. That means it has no right to limit that right to any human with their own DNA from an embryo to a 100 year old, from a poor immigrant of any race to a the wealthy descendant of a king.
Just to clarify, overturning Roe vs Wade would not ban abortion, it would allow abortion to be banned and would revert the whole issue back to the states.
It's a slam dunk if you ask me !
When the government employs people to stop my neighbor from being murdered, it is taking my tax dollars but providing me with no useful service in return.
When the government employs people to stop another state from being nuked, it is taking my tax dollars but providing me with no useful service in return.
Uhhh....it isn't about the inconvenience of the mother, it's about saving the life of her child.
New Jersey is the state that passed a ban on Partial Birth "Abortion", (Homicide), which was vetoed by then-Governor Chrissie Whitman.
If the Republicans can't win without the votes of pro-lifers, maybe they're going to have to choose candidates that support their beliefs. Lecturing the pro-lifers about waiting until the time is right or not giving the election to a Liberal is getting old. People will look at the candidates, evaluate them, and determine if they trust them enough to vote for that person.
I'm still waiting for the national ban on PBA.
The Republican Party is the pro-life party. Not all members of the Republican Party are pro-life, but the majority are and the platform declares that we support a Human Life Amendment. (Personally, I support this of course, but I believe we already HAVE a human life amendment where it says "all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.")
It's difficult for Right to Life organizations sometimes because they truly are one-issue organizations: they believe that EVERY life is sacred. If a Democrat has a pro-life view, and the Republican does not, they endorse the pro-lifer. While I would never vote for a Democrat, I don't vote for every Republican.
Life is the most important issue of our times. The abortion mentality in this country has gravely affected so much more ... we have more crime, more murder, more child abuse, more divorce, more promiscuity, more anger, ultimately, less happiness. Ending abortion will not stop all the bad things from happening, but re-affirming Life -- and supporting those who need help during the difficult times in their lives -- will go a long way in curing many of societal ills. If we have no respect for Life, we have no respect for anyone, including ourselves.
Just my two cents.
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