Posted on 11/18/2002 5:07:02 PM PST by MadIvan
was effectively a war criminal who sanctioned the extermination of Germany's civilian population through indiscriminate bombing of towns and cities, an article in the country's biggest-circulation newspaper claimed yesterday.
You have some bloody nerve, Fritz. Perhaps we should ask the Jews what they think of you getting all huffy like this? - Ivan
In an unprecedented attack on Allied conduct during the Second World War, the tabloid Bild has called for recognition to be given to the suffering inflicted on the German population during the strategic air campaign of 1940-45.
The suffering of the population in London is far more relevant. After all, the citizens of London didn't vote in Hitler. Same goes for Jewish civilians in the occupied countries the Germans brutally slaughtered - Ivan
The newspaper's campaign, provoked by a new German history of the bomber offensive, breaks six decades of virtual silence on the subject, and is being seen as the latest manifestation of a belief among Germans that they too were victims of the war - albeit a war started by their country.
The newspaper is serialising Der Brand (The Fire: Germany Under Bombardment 1940-45) by the historian Jorg Friedrich, which claims to be the most authoritative account of the bombing campaign so far.
Mr Friedrich claims the British government set out at the start of the Second World War to destroy as many German cities and kill as many of their inhabitants as possible. Civilian deaths were not collateral damage, he says, but rather the object of the exercise. He argues that Churchill had favoured a strategy of attacking the civilian population centres from the air some 20 years before Hitler ordered such raids.
Britain's war leader is quoted during the First World War as saying: "Perhaps the next time round the way to do it will be to kill women, children and the civilian population."
Friedrich goes on to quote Churchill defending the morality of bombing: "Now everyone's at it. It's simply a question of fashion - similar to that of whether short or long dresses are in."
Der Brand is far removed from the dry style of most German histories, and is filled with emotive accounts of the horrors of bombing, but carries few references to the man who brought retribution on Germany, Adolf Hitler.
Friedrich argues that the Allied policy of seeking to break German morale through bombing proved mistaken, the attacks merely serving to weld together the German population.
The debate is certain to anger those in Britain who see the strategic air campaign as a necessary evil.
The British, led by Sir Arthur Harris, C-in-C Bomber Command, were the leading proponents of "night area bombing", involving the systematic destruction of German industrial capacity and housing. The policy resulted in the laying to waste of city after city, including Hamburg, Cologne and Dresden, and the deaths of some 635,000 Germans.
The policy was to some extent forced on the RAF by the failure of daylight operations against pinpoint targets early in the war. It also reflected the fact that, for much of the conflict, bombing was the only method by which Britain could attack Germany.
German raids on Britain in the Blitz of 1940-41 were seen to have freed the British from the obligation not to attack civilian centres.
The serialisation of the book will furnish the far-Right in Germany with arguments to back its revisionist claims. It is also likely to overshadow recent reconciliation attempts between Britain and Germany over the bombing of Dresden in February 1945 in which tens of thousands died.
In a symbolic sign of friendship, British businesses have paid into a fund to reconstruct the Frauenkirche or Church of Our Lady which was destroyed in the raid and is set to be reopened in 2006.
Yesterday Antony Beevor, the British historian and author of the bestselling Berlin: The Downfall, 1945, criticised the German claim that Britain's war of attrition was unnecessarily brutal. "The trouble is this argument is removed from the context that they were the ones who invented terror bombing," he said, referring to German attacks on Coventry, Rotterdam and Warsaw.
"They literally obliterated whole cities and that certainly preceded what the British did," he said. "What we did was more terrifying and appalling, but it was a natural progression in this war.
"One can certainly debate the whole morality of bombing, but for Germans to say Churchill was a war criminal is pushing it a bit," he said.
Friedrich, 58, said his two years of research prompted him to change his views radically on the Allied bombing.
"Previously it appeared to me to be a just answer to the crimes of the Third Reich, but I've since changed my mind," he said. "Until the Second World War there was a common consensus that the massacre of civilian populations was illegal."
For the past year Germans on both the Left and Right have been locked in a new and intense debate about the war and their role as its victims as well as perpetrators. The debate was sparked by Gunther Grass, the Nobel prize winner, in a novel fictionalising the wartime account of a passenger ship torpedoed by the Soviet navy killing thousands of Germans on board.
Alemania delendo est!
-ccm
Whoa, don't associate Spain with Nazi Germany. Franco saved Spain from communism. While Franco may had been ruthless, he was not a nazi or a communist. If I had my choice, I would fight for Franco rather than being a Loyalist during the Spanish Civil War.
Franco is arguably compared to Pinochet in Chile. Just what those countries needed.
Too late. Look at post # 106
Which is illegal in Germany (freedom of speech? Ha!). Some Brits should get together and file a criminal complaint against the author and the editors of the magazine.
Between us and the Russians, we can "treat" Germany inside of 20 minutes if the need ever arises.
Alemania is the Spanish word for Germany, Germania is the Latin word for Germany as well as Italian. What is odd though, is that the italians call the germans Tedeschi, while the spanish for germans is alemanes. Have no clue where that came from.
This is an English newspaper article about a German tabloid's serialization of a history book.
The German tabloid, Das Bild, (The Picture)lives up to its name. It primary attraction is a revealing picture of a copiously endowed fraulein on the front page, below the fold, with statistics in case her charms are not evident enough from the picture. Das Bild is marginally more trustworthy than The National Enquirer.
I can tell you that right now German television is running a documentary on the SS which is unsparing it its presentation of the Hitler Time. Scarcely a week goes by without a similiar presentation on German television. To jump to a conclulion that such a history book represents mainstream thought in Germany is lecherlich.
Schröder's election shows that Germany,if anything, is suffering from a creeping, leftist, pacifist malaise which could not be further removed from a facist revival. Lets worry about something real, like why the Germans are more like the French than the English, instead of flying off the handle because of third hand reports contrived to get a rise out good honest Brits and Americans.
Both wars were all about the conquest of Russia...the two front was supposed to be only one---east!
It was dirty from the start to the end...and that's what the germans think---cheating??
I think it is more accurate to say that in Sept 1940 Göring diverted the blitz from direct attacks on British aviation to British cities and this proved a fatal error which spared the British air force.
Both wars were all about the conquest of Russia...the two front was supposed to be only one---east!
Are you alluding to the widely held belief entertained in Germany during the war and afterwards that the Germans were waging war against eastern communism on behalf of the civilized world? The world had inexplicitly not appreciated the effort or the need for the effort but soon would. The memoirs of the German spy chief during and after the war are an example of this point of view.
I wouldn't be suprised if they (German Neonazis) would soon deny they ever started any war.
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