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1 posted on 11/19/2002 10:48:59 AM PST by mhking
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2 posted on 11/19/2002 10:49:17 AM PST by mhking
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3 posted on 11/19/2002 10:55:06 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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''When they come to ask for a speech code, they should be better prepared,'' Dershowitz said

Dershowitz making sense. Whodda thunk it?

5 posted on 11/19/2002 10:55:43 AM PST by KeyBored
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''When I hear blacks saying I want more blacks, or liberals saying I want more liberals, that doesn't seem like diversity - that sounds like self-serving pleading,'' Dershowitz said."

Thus causing me to look out of the window to see the pigs flying by.

7 posted on 11/19/2002 11:00:36 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: mhking
The liberals are hog-tied to so many consituencies - it was only a matter of time before they collide. I can't believe the Globe is pointing it all out.
8 posted on 11/19/2002 11:03:03 AM PST by Christian B
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"speak with greater sensitivity about race, gender, and other potentially hot-button issues.'

Give me a fukking break!
What ever happened to :
"Sticks and sones can break my bones but [the exerise of free speech] can never harm me"?
10 posted on 11/19/2002 11:06:18 AM PST by APBaer
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The WSJournal had an article on this the other day; some of the students at Harvard Law are advocating a ban on competitive language which is rather strange since they're supposedly being taught and trained to represent their clients in adversarial situations. Universities are supposed to be about differing opinions and debate on issues, not places where you're surrounded only by people you agree with (the "old" Russia or the current North Korea are model places for this). By the way, the student who wrote the offensive word in his notebook was a Filipino; he said he didn't intend anything other than a note shortcut.
12 posted on 11/19/2002 11:09:55 AM PST by laconic
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They actually tried something like this on the Stanford University campus a few years ago when Donald Kennedy was president there. Donny-boy was all for it. The students ended up painting a line on the sidewalk around the entire campus. On the inside of the line they printed "campus." On the town side they printed "free speech zone."

The sanctimonious huffing and puffing about "academic freedom" that went on after the code was rescinded (and by the people responsible for the code in the first place) was something to see.

13 posted on 11/19/2002 11:12:39 AM PST by Billthedrill
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Boycott Harvard. It sounds like a total waste of time & money.
14 posted on 11/19/2002 11:14:02 AM PST by valkyrieanne
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Could somebody please explain to me why we didn't need campus speech codes in the 70s when I was in college but we do need them now? What exactly has changed? I don't get it.
15 posted on 11/19/2002 11:15:28 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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One more in a huge long list of reasons why I'm glad my kid
chose a nice little southern college instead of Harvard or Brown.
21 posted on 11/19/2002 11:37:16 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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I HATE when I agree with Dirtowitz and/or the ACLU!

IF Haavaad passes this, I guarantee the only speech that will be censored will the that of Christians.

23 posted on 11/19/2002 11:41:09 AM PST by mombonn
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Here we have a situation where the focus is no longer where it needs to be, it's now to not hurt someones feelings. Which means people in that school are gonna be more interested in making sure your words are correct or you will be punished. What a crock. It's only secondary that it's a law school, there are some practical benefits that can be applied to their future careers, but really, should they be getting so interestd in this? Actually, this could have the potential to cause big problems down the road. For example, it's wrong for whites to use the "N" word, but I hear blacks using it all the time. What would happen in a situation like that?
26 posted on 11/19/2002 11:57:47 AM PST by vnix
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"with one [black student] complaining that he [Dershowitz] seemed to assume that all black students think alike"

And this same student probably hates Clarence Thomas because he doesn't think like most blacks.
27 posted on 11/19/2002 12:14:22 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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another professor's comment that feminism, Marxism, and black studies have ''contributed nothing'' to tort law.

And here is where the whole "hate speech" thing gets really scary.

One can almost (repeat, almost) see the validity in enforcing certain comments that a reasonable person would see as harassing, etc., just as a reasonable person may see the reasons for preventing distributing porn to kids, or shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.

But at this point, we get to the really chilling effect: that political ideas can be censored simply for being disagreeable to some liberal special interest group or another.

Which goes to show that liberals don't really care about rights. They care about silencing opposition and censoring views they don't agree with.

29 posted on 11/19/2002 1:03:30 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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Though most of these guys are after your time, I thought you'd get a kick out of this.
33 posted on 11/19/2002 1:53:21 PM PST by lambo
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another professor's comment that feminism, Marxism, and black studies have ''contributed nothing'' to tort law.

And I suppose that at Harvard there are people who want to suppress that obviously true statement. Just what have any of the above supposedly contributed to tort law?

Harvard is making itself look as silly as the New York Times; and that is really saying something. Once again, America needs a Dean Swift and a fictitious Gulliver, to really capture the essence of these times.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

35 posted on 11/19/2002 3:51:13 PM PST by Ohioan
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Yet while law school officials have taken steps to soothe campus tensions since then.

Read: to placate black activist students.

The law school has also introduced a ''difficult conversations skills'' workshop for dozens of first-year law students, who are taught to speak with greater sensitivity about race, gender, and other potentially hot-button issues.

Read: "who are taught to censor themselves in speaking about race, gender ..."

Shame on Randall Kennedy. His brilliant book, Race, Crime, and the Law is free of racial demagoguery. And I've seen him on the late Fred Friendly's series of conversations on civil liberties and the press, and he never sought to racially bully anyone.

36 posted on 11/19/2002 4:40:01 PM PST by mrustow
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Several committee members - who include two top deans and six students - said yesterday they have deeply mixed feelings about the need for such a code, and were concerned that it might limit open speech.

Ya think?!

42 posted on 11/20/2002 1:15:06 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22874-2002Nov21.html
43 posted on 11/21/2002 4:41:56 PM PST by joesnuffy
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