CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents

Insight Mag ^ | Nov. 13, 2002 | Timothy W. Maier

[riley1992]

I saw a piece on that a few years back on, I believe, the History Channel. What the conclusion ended up being was that evidence supported that theory but that there was virtually no modern day proof to substantiate it.

[crystalk]

1. "Ark" is an archaic word for a sealed box or coffer in which something valuable is preserved, such as the "Holy Ark" in a synagogue.

2. Most believers feel that Noah had only the domesticated or useful animals, such as cattle, sheep, goats, chickens etc. on board his craft...not every last animal and species on the Earth.

3. The Ark of the Covenant, together with other relics of the Moses era, are in a catacomb under the northern part of Jerusalem's Old City.

4. Many Armenian families have pieces of the Holy Ark [of Noah] treasured from the era of roughly 1780-1880 when it was more accessible atop Ararat than it is now. Other relics may have been retrieved from it much earlier as well and it is a rare Armenian sanctuary that does not have any at all.

[john316]

What about the fish?

[libertysdaughter]

World's dogs are descended from Asian wolves

Scientists have found that almost all dogs share a common gene pool after analysing the DNA of hundreds of dogs from Europe, Asia, Africa and North America.

They have concluded domesticated dogs originated from wolves in East Asia nearly 15,000 years ago.

The animals travelled with humans through Europe and Asia and across the Bering Strait with the first settlers in America.

Swedish and Chinese scientists studied the genes of 654 dogs and found a higher genetic diversity among East Asian dogs suggested that people there were the first to domesticate dogs from wolves.

The scientists said in a study presented in the new issue of the journal Science: "Most earlier guesses have focused on the Middle East as the place of origin for dogs, based on few known facts - a small amount of archaeological evidence from the region, and the fact that several other animals were domesticated there," said lead researcher Peter Savolainen of Sweden's Royal Institute of Technology.

A separate study by researchers in the US, Latin America and Sweden said dogs with DNA linked to Eurasian wolves were present in the Americas before the arrival of European explorers in the 15th century...

Story filed: 19:02 Thursday 21st November 2002

From: Ananova:http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_713600.html

Same article was also posted on FR yesterday.

[Investment Biker]

"What about the fish?"

I only included those species that could not survive the flood. But there are many, many fish species.

[far sider]

Yet the book of Genisis (sic) directly contradicts your assertion with God having created each animal.

You should read Genesis, before making your silly statements. Genesis 1 says God created "kinds" of animals and plants. The Hebrew term is "baramin." The definition of "kinds" relates to how animals reproduce. If they can interbreed to produce fertile offspring they are of the same "kind." The definition of species (or definitions, since scientists use at least a couple of different ones) is quite different.

Further science would assert that the divergence of Asian Elephants and African Elephants occoured much longer than the time frame you are suggesting.

This may be true, but I'll bet you're just making it up. If not, show me.

With regard to insects the story does not include an exemption for insects. Two of each animal was to be put upon the Ark.

The Bible says that all animals that breathed upon the earth were destroyed if they were not on the Ark. It even refers to animals with "nostrils." (Gen. 7:22) All I am saying is it certainly did not apply to all aquatic species, and may not have applied to insects. Again you should read the book sometime if you're going to claim to be such an expert on it.

[Marysecretary]

I heard that, too. The documentaries on the Mt. Ararat "ark" are pretty convincing though.

[far sider]

Sorry, I'm a little slow, tracer. I think I get your joke now.

So I guess the next question is "How long can YOU tread water?"

[Investment Biker]

I am aware of other flood stories in ancient cultures. Though one could think that flood stories are a natural for cultures to hand down from generation to generation with each generation adding their own embelishments until it is finally written and becomes unchangeable. This, however, does not make them the literal truth. We still tell stories of a tornado that happened over 25 years ago. Most are true but who knows in a hundred years how the stories may have changed.

[dubyagee]

Interesting site...thanks for posting.

[far sider]

"What about the fish?" I only included those species that could not survive the flood. But there are many, many fish species.

Gen 7:21: And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23: And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Actually, the story commands Noah to take two of each species. The numbers given were based upon the actuals number of species IDENTIFIED today.

So there were no Dodo birds on the Ark?

[ConservativeDude]

12,000 flatworms
12,000 roundworms
12,000 earthworms

My only thought is that that is a lot of worms.

[Bobby777]

yes that's their theory ... but it means nothing according to breeds, which is what the article I posted was about, and the statement posted by the other FReeper (if that was what you were saying ...) ... the fact that there are different genes proves nothing ... I believe there are many cases of modern dogs having bred with certain wolves ...

[Investment Biker]

You imply that I have not read it and I have. You do not know me so stop with the accusations OK? Now I include the following qoutes from Genesis:

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. "

God created the animals.

Regarding Asian and African Elephants: There actually is two species of African Elephants and one Asian. If you go to the National Geographic site and conduct a search on elephants you will find an article on elephants that also discusses the time line of evelotuion of elephants. The divergeance was much greater than the timeframe given in the Bible.

Regarding nosrtils:

I have not examined how many of the species have nostrils but would think that almost all mentioned have some form of consuming oxygen, maybe not a nose but "nostril" of some form.

I almost get from your comments and criticism of my posts that you agree that the animals listed would not fit on the ark along with provisions. You try to lessen the number by saying x or y, only your theories. I asked some simple questions that I can not answer. You attack me and the question instead of trying to answer.

[ConservativeDude]

I am a believer with multiple graduate degrees, though none in science. I put myself basically in the "undecided" camp on the questions of the earth's age and some of the hotter creation controversies.

I have found this web site quite useful: www.icr.org.

The only criticism is that it is probably over the head for a non-scientist. But if nothing else it has given me a good resource to go to for education on all issues related to the various creation controversies.

[Dog Gone]

As another poster has said, the AKC says most breeds are less than 150 years old.

Cool. I'd like to see that replicated. Take two German Shepherds, isolate them and their offspring for 150 years, and count how many of them are Chihuahuas and how many are St. Bernards at the end of the experiment.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents

All I can say is tell the CIA to forget about Noah's Ark and concentrate on the DAMNED ISLAMIC TERRORISTS!

[Delbert]

Or build a new ark, put all of terrorists on it...send it across the atlantic, and aim for the nearest iceberg!

[Investment Biker]

One other point regarding "kinds"

All of the animals were created by the seventh day. So kinds or not has no meaning.