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State Assembly Race Still Too Close to Call and What's Up With Those MILITARY ballots?
AP ^ | November 20, 2002 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/22/2002 4:38:55 PM PST by Saundra Duffy

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A Fresno County Superior Court judge ordered Wednesday the release of the names and addresses of 154 voters who cast provisional ballots in Fresno County for the 30th Assembly District.

Judge Gary S. Austin ruled the release of provisional voter's names, home telephone numbers and signatures were public record, and lifted a stay issued Monday that stopped the counting process.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: assembly; california; elections; gardner
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There's no mention of the military absentee ballots but it's a factor in this race. The democraps want them all pitched because they claim the ballots were received too late. The GOP still has a chance to pull this off and it will be a major coup. Go, GOP!
1 posted on 11/22/2002 4:38:55 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Jim Robinson
Fresno? Well you can definitely organize something in FR's capital.
2 posted on 11/22/2002 4:40:24 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
Fresno is one of the counties involved. Jim Robinson's country. Here's more:

This just in from Campaign for California Families: VALLEY ASSEMBLY RACE STILL UNDECIDED

Dean Gardner, a pro-marriage candidate from Bakersfield, is in court trying to get a fair count of ballots. In the race for the 30th Assembly District, which stretches from Fresno County to Kern County, Gardner is only 165 votes behind Nicole Parra, a pro-homosexual Democrat activist. Since Election Day, the registrars of voters in four counties have been counting absentee and provisional ballots, and Gardner wants to make sure that no one voted improperly. But Parra - whose United Farm Worker supporters reportedly registered 15,000 new voters before Election Day - is claiming "voter privacy" and has filed a lawsuit to block Gardner. It's amazing. First Parra disingenuously said she supports marriage - yet she also supports "civil unions" and refused to sign the Marriage Protection Pledge! Now Parra says she wants fair elections - yet she's trying to block accurate counting of votes. The week before the election, CCF held three very successful news conferences in the district to inform voters where the candidates stand on the protection of marriage. This race was another missed opportunity. Trice Harvey, Central Valley vice-chair for the state Republican Party, said, "The Republican caucus (of legislators in Sacramento) feels bad" about not thinking Gardner could win and giving him hardly any money. In contrast, CCF knew this contest in the south Central Valley could be very close. But we never imagined this moral battle would still be here two weeks after Election Day!

Go, Gardner!!! If he pulls this off, it will be a miracle beyond belief. Such intrigue and back-room shenanigans by the democRATS! For victory & freedom!!!


3 posted on 11/22/2002 4:41:36 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: weikel
Here's another link about this: http://www.smartvoter.org/2002/11/05/ca/state/race/caasm30/
4 posted on 11/22/2002 4:42:51 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
Im personally skeptical about the effectiveness of protesting and I have neither the time nor money to travel I would have liked to have been able to meet Romney he had a debate at WPI but I had work nonstop during that week didn't even post on FR much( I spend too much time here as it is). By the time I was done doing my BJT amplifier lab the debate had started but I had been up for 20 hours and went home to hit the hay.

But Jim could probably get something effective going in Fresno.

5 posted on 11/22/2002 4:47:26 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
Dean Gardner was given virtually no support by the Assembly Republican Caucus (Dave Cox). Many of us Republican activists - ME INCLUDED - think Cox's head should roll over this one. They left this poor guy Gardner out on a limb. Just a few GOP bucks would have made the difference in this race and we wouldn't have this MESS! It's infuriating. The California Republican Party is . . . grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Go, Gardner! He could still pull this off if fairness prevails and the democraps aren't allowed to CHEAT! For victory & freedom!!!
6 posted on 11/22/2002 4:47:35 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: weikel
I'm waiting to get some information on the issue of military ballots. I heard that there are 1,500 military ballots that the democrats want to throw away because they were received too late. If Gardner can protest this action and get those military ballots counted, he's gonna win this race after all. I did hear that the GOP is paying for Gardner's lawyers. IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY SUPPORTED GARDNER IN SOME WAY! For victory & freedom!!!
7 posted on 11/22/2002 4:49:08 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
BTW despite the reservations of the hard right in California I definitely think you should nominate Arny. People on FR say Weld was a RINO( im no moderate at all btw) but he really turned Mass around after Dukasis and personally I think Arny would be like Weld and Arny would win the election. Jane Swift on the other hand she was a RINO and damn stupid to boot if she hadn't of fired Blute while Cellucci was on vacation and replaced him with that airhead Buckingham I don't think 9/11 would have ever happened. Just my opinion.
8 posted on 11/22/2002 4:52:04 PM PST by weikel
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To: Saundra Duffy
I'm waiting to get some information on the issue of military ballots. I heard that there are 1,500 military ballots that the democrats want to throw away because they were received too late.

Oh C'mon. Toricelli quit late, but they didn't care about time limits then.
"Every vote must count."
"Disinfranchizement!"
"The people have the right to chose their canidate, no matter what the rules are. We demand democracy!"

9 posted on 11/22/2002 4:58:04 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Saundra Duffy
Yeah, the Stupid Party also abandoned McClintock, who would have won with even a little bit of support from the party.
10 posted on 11/22/2002 4:58:09 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Saundra Duffy
Even if he doesn't win, he has still accomplished something by scaring this lefty broad. Knowing that Gardner will be breathing down her neck for the next two years, she might actually be forced to vote as a moderate.
11 posted on 11/22/2002 4:59:18 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Saundra Duffy
BTTT; Hi Saundra!
12 posted on 11/22/2002 5:04:58 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Saundra Duffy
Military absentee ballots should always be secured and counted first. They are risking their lives for America to keep us safe in order that we can vote. And I will never forgive the Democrats for not counting our blessed military votes in Florida during the 2000 election.
13 posted on 11/22/2002 5:59:35 PM PST by maxwellp
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To: Saundra Duffy
Just announced. Fresno County finishes count and Para wins by about 250 votes.
14 posted on 11/22/2002 6:11:43 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Saundra Duffy
What is the breakdown of the state legislature if we win this seat, both in the state senate and house.
15 posted on 11/22/2002 6:20:49 PM PST by crasher
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To: Saundra Duffy
I'm sorry, but those folks in Fresno have a penchant for voting Democrat -- Clinton, Condit, and now the Condit stand-in for Congress.
16 posted on 11/22/2002 6:24:30 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
I'm sorry, but those folks in Fresno have a penchant for voting Democrat -- Clinton, Condit, and now the Condit stand-in for Congress.

Sorry...southern Fresno county is not in Condits district.

17 posted on 11/22/2002 7:18:11 PM PST by tubebender
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To: tubebender
Actually, I read that 40 counties backed Simon, but it was not the populous ones needed.
18 posted on 11/22/2002 7:37:10 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Saundra Duffy
Where was the money going? GEEZ!!
19 posted on 11/22/2002 7:51:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Saundra Duffy
Dean Gardner was given virtually no support by the Assembly Republican Caucus (Dave Cox). Many of us Republican activists - ME INCLUDED - think Cox's head should roll over this one. Just a few GOP bucks would have made the difference in this race and we wouldn't have this MESS! The California Republican Party is . . .

I am a Californian and a long-time Republican Party supporter. Blessed with financial means, it pained me that I could not in good conscience contribute more to the patently inept small-thinkers in the CRP. They hounded me, to be sure, but most of my support this past election (many thousands) went to the national party, SIG's, and to specific regional candidates across the country.

Sadly, I have over time lost faith in the CRP, beginning with the grossly inept and sophomoric campaign of Dan Lundgren. However,I supported and contributed to Bill Simon, another flawed candidate, this year. Simon might have won the election, but he was not adequately supported by the hopelessly inept, vindictive, and stupid CRP.

When the CRP comes to me with an explanation as to what they stand for, who they will support, and how they will campaign, and if I am convinced of their sincerity and the thoughtfullness of their plans, maybe then they will be able to count on my support once again.

20 posted on 11/22/2002 8:22:54 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: ambrose
Yeah, the Stupid Party also abandoned McClintock, who would have won with even a little bit of support from the party.

Yep. I supported and contribtesd to Tom. The lack of California Republican Party support for him was disgraceful and a grevious error. The CRP seems to be run by high-school-age children.

21 posted on 11/22/2002 8:29:29 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
I think it over. I heard on the news tonight parre is up by 270 votes with the Kern votes in. Garner put up a great fight however. The dems should of had this distance easy but the L.A and San Fran dems got into the primany and had pick her and stop Costa who is a Vally democrat and former state senate that votes with the Reps on many social issue. They had Lawyers and Unions pour in millions in the primany and Gen. The local newspaper printer a letter they found with the one of the dem leader in the house saying that they had a oppurity to put in "one of them". It was also seen as a slap to the very well like Dean Flozer who seat this is. He has move on the to the state senate. This is the guy who run the commite that stop the deal with Oracle and they threw him off the commite because he did not vote for the SUV air pollution bill.
22 posted on 11/22/2002 8:49:22 PM PST by Paul8148
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To: Saundra Duffy

23 posted on 11/22/2002 10:09:01 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Amerigomag
Dean Gardner has some very bright attorneys. We all know that voter fraud occured--they are prepared to go the distance to prove it. Stay tuned......
24 posted on 11/22/2002 11:18:45 PM PST by lager
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
I personally know some of these high school campaign dummies. They think that Reps have to sound like Dems to get elected in California. Every great Republican winner has proven them wrong. But alas, they still shout as loud as they can with their heads in their butts, the same ole same ole. Thanks for all you do for the cause.
25 posted on 11/22/2002 11:23:40 PM PST by lager
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The money went to anyone that would sound like a Dem. A real leader could have taken back 10 seats in the Assembly. Dave Cox is such a loser.
26 posted on 11/22/2002 11:26:14 PM PST by lager
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To: weikel
If Ah-nold does the job to the CA GOP that Weld did to the MA GOP, it will bear out everything I've been saying about just how bad a Gov he'll be. Weld destroyed the MA GOP completely and purged it of conservatives. All ideological battles in MA are fought out in the Dem party. I've written on this subject ad infinitum.
27 posted on 11/23/2002 12:59:20 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: fieldmarshaldj; weikel; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SkyPilot; Paul8148; Mad_Tom_Rackham; ...
This just in from Sac Bee 11/23/02 . . . the controversy continues. Parra declares herself the victor in the Assembly race in the 30th district. Gardner's people still counting and suing. THERE'S DEMOCRAP HANKY PANKY UP THE WAZOO!!!! The democRATS spent almost TWO MILLION DOLLARS ON THIS STATE ASSEMBLY RACE while Dean Gardner spent $230,000 mostly out of his own pocket. The Republican Caucus - DAVE COX - virtually told Dean Gardner to go fu-- himself. DAVE COX is to blame for this mess for not knowing and understanding the voters' needs, wishes and issues. I AM FURIOUS! In addition, no one is mentioning the MILITARY BALLOTS that were THROWN OUT because supposedly they arrived too late. I heard there were 1,500 military ballots destroyed. That would have made the difference in this race. As God is my witness, the democRATS are stealing this seat! And the Republican leadership is letting them do it. This isn't America; it's a dictatorship. We might as well live in Cuba.
28 posted on 11/23/2002 10:01:12 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Amerigomag
PING for my post #28 (I think).
29 posted on 11/23/2002 10:02:03 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
Military ballots have the post mark rule. Were the postmarks too late? If not, why didn't the Pubbie sue on that one?
30 posted on 11/23/2002 10:03:43 AM PST by Torie
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And the Republican leadership is letting them do it

How often have we asked this question over and over? We see the GOP wimp out in SD where there was apparent fraud. Trent Lott shakes in his boots evertime a Democrat tells him to "do this, or do that." And the CA GOP has no leadership at all.

31 posted on 11/23/2002 11:33:04 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Saundra Duffy
Good Lord. This Cox character rivals the trash RINO State House GOP Leader here in TN who all but performs "oral" on our tyrannical 'Rat Speaker. We need to rid ourselves of this garbage and put in REAL leaders who fight for our party, our ideals, and for US !
32 posted on 11/23/2002 12:06:48 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: fieldmarshaldj
He actually shrank the government something most Republicans fail at. I don't see how he destroyed the GOP 45% of Mass voters voted to repeal the income tax.
33 posted on 11/23/2002 12:15:26 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
In 1990, when he was elected, there were 16 out of 40 Republican State Senators, and there were 37 out of 160 GOP State House members. They elected a State Treasurer and 2 Executive Councillors and retained 1 U.S. House member (the late Silvio Conte), which increased to 2 newcomers in 1992. Flash forward 12 years later, Weld is gone, Cellucci, his clone, cleared out, Swift, another Weldite, is heading out the door, and what do they leave ? An almost non-existent 6 out of 40 Senators (a 60%+ drop in representation), and 22 State reps. (practically a 50% drop). ZERO statewide officeholders below Swift, ZERO members of Congress. Weld vowed to "fight a battle for the soul of the GOP" against conservatives (yeah, those same people that ARE the Republican party in every other state in America). He told conservatives in MA, like the Irish were told a century ago, you need not apply to the GOP -- you aren't welcome. So what is left of the few remaining officeholders is a sad, sorry sight... Represented by individuals like Jo Anne Sprague, 1 of the 6 Senators left, a hard-leftist who was the "hope" of the party to run for the seat of the late Joe Moakley. Her Dem opponent looked like Jesse Helms by comparison, and he clobbered her. The situation, I've been told, by someone "on the ground" in MA, is even worse at the grassroots where the party has, for all intents and purposes, died. It's the Democrat party in MA that is the big tent, ranging from the hard-core left wing (Kennedy/Kerry/Birmingham, etc.) to ostensibly more conservative (Speaker Finneran). Weld turned the party into a one-man (or one-man + Lt Gov) show and let the party wither on the vine. In my opinion, he was perhaps one of the worst "Republican" Governors in recent memory, and one of the most single-handedly destructive individuals to the party, bar none. His 2nd in command didn't even want to stick around to repair the damage, and left for a cushy job north of the border. Swift has been utterly clueless. As for Romney, we shall see if he is interested in serving as a Republican and welcome conservatives back into the party and start to invigorate the grass roots, or if he'll become another Weldite Party member. If it is to be the latter, let us just give the state GOP its nice burial and always remember it as an example of what happens when one of America's most previously penultimate GOP states is overtaken by RINOs, that destruction galore follows.

P.S. The 45% of state voters that went with IT repeal only goes to show you where our party might truly stand in power if its "leaders" hadn't hacked it to pieces. What a shame.

34 posted on 11/23/2002 1:52:13 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Yeah but Finneran kills all liberal action in the house. Things for the average person got a lot better after Weld.
35 posted on 11/23/2002 5:15:42 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
Finneran won't last forever, a lot of leftist Dems want him gone and replaced with a Tom Birmingham type, and one of these days, their biannual revolt will be a success. As for Weld and his alleged "success", well, he was the best party-building Governor for the DEMOCRATS than practically any other MA pol since JFK. Too bad his Kennedyesque ego wouldn't allow him to "spread the wealth" beyond Argeo Paul to his own party (let alone conservatives).
36 posted on 11/23/2002 6:17:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: fieldmarshaldj
They've tried to oust the iron speaker all the attempted coups have been miserable failures. Hes not that old and will probably be there to he dies and will probably have a hand picked successor replace him.
37 posted on 11/23/2002 6:24:33 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
He might not last as long as you think. In any event, this still does nothing to further GOP party-building in the state since Finneran is still a Dem. Whether Gov-elect Romney (who was a victim of Weld's egotism in helping sabotage his '94 run against Kennedy) is up to the behemoth effort of party building we have yet to see (I have my doubts seeing his putting Jane Swift II on his ticket, really dumb, rather than Jim Rappaport, who would've really proven his committment to rebuilding the party).
38 posted on 11/23/2002 6:37:22 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: Saundra Duffy
Thanks for the info Saundra. I know you guys work hard down there.
39 posted on 11/23/2002 8:50:22 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: lager; Saundra Duffy
Not often we see your tag on these threads. I'm hoping to have news for you and Saundra mid Dec. Pray!
40 posted on 11/23/2002 8:54:28 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: Torie
Military ballots have the post mark rule.

I have a question for you. Suppose someone inside the postal service was PAID OFF to delay the arrival of these ballots? How would anyone be able to prove it? Remember, the democRATS had ALMOST TWO MILLION DOLLARS to play around with. I put nothing past them. Dean Gardner is getting screwed royally.

41 posted on 11/24/2002 9:40:10 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Theodore R.
And the CA GOP has no leadership at all.

They have leadership, all right, a bunch of ball-less fools more interested in maintaining their "empires" than helping other Republicans.

42 posted on 11/24/2002 9:42:14 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I think Cox hates conservatives. I think that's the real problem - and he's more concerned about maintaining his own "empire". Dean Gardner is a true blue conservative. That's one of the reasons, in my opinion, why Cox wouldn't help Dean Gardner. Also, Cox and the other Republicans in charge of the world got scared off by all the democrap money. Cox and his cronies have no convictions to support their positions. They're going on polls, power, and POOP!
43 posted on 11/24/2002 9:45:55 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: farmfriend
I'm hoping to have news for you and Saundra mid Dec. Pray!

Yahoo! By the way, what are we praying for? LOL! P.S. Watch your emails; I'm planning a freep of the peace-niks this Tuesday in Sackatomatoes. Hoping you can help spread the word. For victory & freedom!!!

44 posted on 11/24/2002 9:48:53 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: sweetliberty
Please see my post #48 (about my suspicions as to why the military ballots were received too late and had to be pitched). Lemoore Naval Air Station is in this district.
45 posted on 11/24/2002 10:03:32 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: sweetliberty
Make that post #41 (sorry).
46 posted on 11/24/2002 10:04:27 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: weikel; concerned about politics; ambrose; nicmarlo; maxwellp; Amerigomag; crasher; Theodore R.; ...
Well, I saw Parra's name on the new roster at the capitol. However, Dan Walters' column in today's Sac Bee says about this race: ". . . there's still the outside possibility of judicial intervention." No one has addressed the issue of 1,500 military ballots that were thrown out (Lemoore Naval Air Station is in this district). It ain't over until the fat lady sings, FReeper pals. For victory & freedom!!!
47 posted on 11/27/2002 11:22:33 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: concerned about politics; ambrose; nicmarlo; maxwellp; Theodore R.; tubebender; crasher; ...
Newsflash - The Grand Jury is investigating democrat shenanigans in the State Assembly 30th District race (California). Nicole Parra (Dem) has declared herself the winner and will be sworn in Monday. BUT HER REIGN MAY BE SHORT LIVED. READ ON ABOUT VOTER FRAUD UP THE WAZOO!!

Here's the latest: The Grand Jury is investigating. From a reliable source: There were 1,500 ballots in Kern County alone that were thrown out (absentee ballots) because the REAL signature on the outside of the envelope of the ballot did not match the phony signature provided by the UFW (United Farm Workers) on the inside ballot. These were all from high-propensity absentee Republican voters. Also, out of 200 provisional ballots investigated, 67 had voted twice, 47 did not live in the district, and 23 were not even citizens.

And don't even get me started on the 1,500 military absentee ballots that were thrown out; Lemoore Naval Air Station is in this district.

Also, there was a gift of fresh flowers that was sent to democrat voters; follow-up investigation by Gardner's attorneys posing as Parra supporters, found that the voters all said that the flowers had made them decide to vote for Nicole and when asked "and how many times did you get to vote" the numbers ranged from two to six. It is against the law to spend more than $1.00 per voter for such gifts.

This is such a disgrace; you'd think the democrats would be humiliated and disgusted. When Nicole is sworn in on Monday, I'm going to stage a one-woman protest at the capitol. She does not deserve to serve in the Assembly with the likes of RAY HAYNES! Have a great Thanksgiving, anyway, pals. For victory & freedom!!! Saundra

48 posted on 11/27/2002 10:54:15 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
Go Saundra!!
49 posted on 11/27/2002 10:56:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Saundra Duffy
Give 'em hell, Saundra ! Don't give up on exposing this blatant fraud !
50 posted on 11/27/2002 11:07:04 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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