Timeline of my involvement - Red Bluff Cop killing

Self | 11/26/02 | Neil E. Wright

[eno_]

Also, blanket condemnation of our police officers is wrong.

Absolutely. For that matter, both the police and public schools in my town work pretty well (though both cost a lot more than they should).

But it is hard to find police that are willing to criticize even Chief Moose. Unless police are ready to reform themselves, it won't happen.

[jdontom]

Neil Wright given credit for breaking case of cop killer...

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[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for posting this link!

[FreeTheHostages]

Congratulations. My prayers to the family of the deceased officer this Thanksgiving day.

[The Real Deal]

EAGLES UP!

[X918]

Neil-I hope you dont mind but you damn well should get the honor of a hero.I submitted the Red Bluff Cop Killing Case to America's Most Wanted Tip line as a story for this saturday.Congrats on a job well done.Let Joe Blue Collar decide who the whackos are.

[FR_addict]

This is so cool. Not only did Neil solve the case, but FL_engineer and other Freepers are continuing to connect the dots in this case.

I think you are on to something big here. I'm going to go through the information on this thread more thoroughly later.

[mountaineer]

A reporter becomes part of the story

By SARAH C. VOS
Monitor staff

The voice was young, its tone matter of fact. He introduced himself as Andy, and when I asked for his story, he started to talk.

"I killed a police officer in Red Bluff, California, in an effort to draw attention to police brutality," he said.

He explained why the killing made sense, talking in long, almost academic sentences, as if we were discussing economics, not an officer dead at a gas pump. Shot three times, once in the back of the head at close range. Execution-style, the prosecutor would call it later that afternoon.

This was not a normal interview. I was in the State Room at the Holiday Inn, surrounded by FBI agents and talking to Andrew Hampton McCrae, the 23-year-old who has claimed responsibility for killing a police officer last week.

McCrae asked to talk to a Monitor reporter, and after more than two hours of negotiating, the FBI agreed that McCrae could talk to me. In return, McCrae promised to leave his fourth-floor hotel room peacefully. This is the way negotiations work: You never give the suspect anything without getting something in return.

The lead negotiator, Liane McCarthy, warned me that his voice was without emotion. That worried her. He could be suicidal, she said.

McCrae told me that he wrote a manifesto called the Declaration of Renewed American Independence. In it, he said, he argues that a consensual adult act, whether illegal or not, is a non-crime. He said that everyone in America presumed guilty of a non-crime should be free from harassment by law enforcement.

He had a copy, and he wanted me to read it. I told him I wanted to read it.

"How am I going to give it to you?" he asked.

"You'll have to come out," I said.

"I'll come out and give it to you?" It was a question.

"Yes," I said, even though I did not know how I would get it. I was not in control, and we both knew that McCrae would walk into a hallway full of FBI agents and police officers.

I had arrived at the hotel 90 minutes earlier. I came straight from home. I didn't have time to shower or eat breakfast. My legs shook as I left the house, and I slipped down my front steps. I didn't know what to expect.

While I waited I talked to guests who had been evacuated from their rooms, the hotel manger and FBI agents. I took notes because it was calming. I tried to pretend that this was just another story.

As McCrae talked, McCarthy listened on another headset. A small black suitcase with multiple phone lines coming out of it sat on a table in front of us, allowing officers around the room to hear the conversation. Beside me, one FBI agent fooled with a tape recorder, checking batteries and flipping the tape. The rattling noises were distracting.

McCarthy sat on the other side, and she motioned to me several times. She wanted me to slow down, to not take notes. She did not want me to be a reporter. She wanted me to talk McCrae out of his hotel room. She told me not to question McCrae, not to get him excited. He is calm, she said. She wanted him to stay that way.

After I told McCrae to leave his room, McCarthy instructed me, on a legal pad, to end the conversation.

I told McCrae that I had his story. I needed to get back to the office to write, I said.

"You do?" He sounded disappointed, and McCarthy motioned for me to talk more.

Anything else? I asked. McCrae paused for a moment.

"Prior to killing the police officer, I incorporated a company, Proud and Insolent Youth, and I incorporated in New Hampshire," he said.

He said he chose New Hampshire because of the state constitution, which contains the right to revolution. We talked again about how I would get his declaration. I thanked him and said goodbye.

McCrae hung up, and I was escorted from the room. Within minutes, he surrendered. Officers patted me on the back, telling me good job. An FBI investigator questioned me about the conversation. He said I might be a witness.

Later, when I got back to the office, I listened to a message from McCrae, left on a newsroom voicemail at 7:26 a.m.

"Hi, my name is Andy McCrae, and I killed a police officer in Red Bluff, California, to stop the police-state tactics that are used throughout America," he said. "And I am at the Holiday Inn in Concord, New Hampshire, right now. And the FBI are right outside my door, and I just thought the Concord Monitor might be interested to be there."

". . . So, all right, I just thought you guys would be interested in that. So, that's it," McCrae said. "I'm at the Holiday Inn, room 420. And I'm about to come out to the FBI. So that's it."

http://www.concordmonitor.com/stories/front2002/first_person_2002.shtml

[Future Useless Eater]

Although it is wise to consider if Andrew Mickel did the Tom Wales murder on October 11 2001, I have other ideas for these reasons:
Was Mickel seriously involved with police or US prosecutors in October 2001?
He had only just arrived at the ultra-liberal brainwashing school, Evergreen State College (just south of Tacoma) that fall.
Had he ever killed prior to this month?
His arrest on April 20 2002 during the "A20 in Seattle" antiwar demonstration was a peaceful protest - for blocking a sidewalk.

I actually believe Mickel had met John Muhammad.
Mickel was arrested carrying a [fake?] Washington driver's license with his picture and the name McCrae. Was it legit? [probably not], so who else in the area was an expert at manufacturing fake Washington State drivers licenses? - John Muhammad.
...
I suggest they met after April 20 2002. There is even an Evergreen State College BRANCH CAMPUS in the heart of Tacoma on Martin Luther King Dr.
And Muhammad was ranting and raving in this timeframe to anyone like-minded about killing policemen.

As for the Oct 11 2001 assassination, that was the NIGHT BEFORE Muhammad was ordered to appear in Tacoma to sign a restraining order. So I prefer to theorize: Muhammad-dunnit..., and have I listed this murder with the Muhammad/Malvo Timelines...

Here is a pertinent section of those timelines...

August 31 2001 - Bellingham WA - Muhammad was living here with his kids when they were yanked away from him by police.

September 04 2001 - Tacoma WA - Muhammad was required to appear for a hearing in which he lost his 3 children for good to his ex-wife. He was extremely bitter over this, enough-so to murder Isa Nichol's neice in February as payback for Isa's involvement. Many analysts today suggest this event is what made Muhammad snap.

September 2001 - Tacoma - Muhammad obtains a pro bono lawyer in Tacoma and visits him once a week for the next several months. [Note that Seattle is directly between Bellingham and Tacoma].

September 11 2001 - The WTC Attacks

~September 14 2001 - Bellingham - Muhammad is almost in a barfight with the fisherman Drew Sandilands at the Horseshoe Restaurant because Muhammad defended Al Queda and the WTC bombers.

September 2001 - Bellingham/Seattle - Muhammad is seen travelling from Bellingham often; Sometimes by airline, and sometimes by bus. But in either case his travels took him first to Seattle and then on to other places.

September 18 2001 - The first of the Anthrax letters is mailed from Trenton NJ, just five miles from Sure Shot Auto Sales where the sniper-Caprice is later purchased.

October 10 2001 - The 3rd Anthrax victim hits the news in Florida. Even if Muhammad is NOT involved with anthrax, this is all over the news in early October, further embolding Muhammad.

October 11 2001 10:30pm - Seattle - Assistant U.S. attorney Tom Wales is assassinated in his home in the Queen Anne Hill neighborhood. Someone fired four quick shots thru a basement window with a handgun, hitting prosecutor Wales as he sat in front of his computer. Shell casings were found at the scene and neighbors saw a man leaving.

Wales had hundreds of powerful enemies. The case has never been solved despite a $1 Million reward. [Muhammad came into large amounts of unexplained cash about this time and often traveled by airline. Did he resume his forgery trade? or had he taken up as a paid assassin?]

October 12 2001 - Tacoma - Muhammad is required to appear and sign a restraining order that day promising to stay away from Mildred and his kids.

October 17 2001 or later - Bellingham - Malvo joins Muhammad. [I believe Malvo did not choose to leave his mother on his own, but Muhammad flew to Florida about October 16th, and returned with Malvo by airline]

November 2001 - Muhammad starts visiting gunsmiths trying to obtain silencers and to modify a rifle to collapse into a small case.

[Future Useless Eater]

Neil,
If you still have any pull with the R.B.P.D. could you please ask them a few questions:

(1) The Washington State driver's licence he was carrying when captured was in the name of Andrew McCrae. Was it legitimate? [I will bet not]. OR if it was fake, did it resemble the forgeries being created by John Muhammad?

(2) Can they find out who was registered to the OTHER car being sought in the sniper case on the evening of October 23rd? i.e. the white 1989 Chevrolet Celebrity with Maryland plates ZWE-517.

(3) What kind of white car was crashed during the unsolved shooting murder of Roderick Robertson in Prichard AL (near Mobile), at 2:14pm September 20?
[This sounds like M & M and it fits their timeline]

(4) Have police ever considered if it was Muhammad / Malvo who robbed the Krispy Kreme at 2:45am on September 26 in Mobile AL?
[Their descriptions fit, except the shorter black man looked about 30. I have seen one picture of Malvo where he appears to be about age 30]

(5) Have police ever considered if it was Muhammad / Malvo who did the drive-by murder of DeAngelo M. Knight at 10:22pm on September 29 in Mobile AL?
[Again, this sounds like M & M and it could fit their timeline. The only detail that doesn't fit is a maroon CADILLAC. BUT I have examples of early 80's Cadillacs that look just like a 1990 Caprice, AND the Caprice had been mistaken as being (maroon or burgandy) previously at night under artificial street lighting]

[Issaquahking]

Thanks for the ping. Bone chilling to know we have freaks like this running around loose. Big reason to take a stand on 2nd amendment rights, and make sure a few shots get fired throught the barrel a couple of times a month. A very worthy read and happy a freeper was a major player in removing this tras from our street in America!

[Grampa Dave]

Even if the Washington license was quote "legit" and not a fake, that doesn't rule out a conspiracy here.

One of the tools of the home grown terrorists are quote "legit" drivers's licenses that they buy from a friend at a state DMV. This has been rampant in several states, and a DMV worker in TN lost her life for selling or providing quote "legit" drivers's licenses to Islamokazis before 9/11.

So even if his license was "legit" and didn't come from Muhammad, that does not eliminate a conspiracy.

I have no doubt that in left wing Washington, Oregon and Kalifornia that there are a lot DMVers who would work their buns off to get a "legit" license to a cop hater and anti American kook, black, white or Middle Eastern to show their love of Diversity and political correctness and hatred of America!

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Great job Neil...the moron who did this needs to be executed.

[eno_]

Absolutely brilliant! Even if he is not directly connected to other acts of terrorism, this timeline is a strong indication that Islamist terrorists (and probably Iraqi agents, since this is spy SOP) are cultivating relationships among the disaffected that are either already violent or that have strong potential for violence.

Among other things, it provides a template or pattern for seeing if McVeigh was involved in this kind of thing. The Philippines connection sure bears looking into!

[Eva]

Grampa Dave had asked me to brief everyone on Evergreen State College.

Evergreen is an alternative college, meaning that there are few traditional classes beyond the basics. Students there, develop their own curriculum and sign contracts with the school to complete their work, which often includes credit for "life experience". The campus looks like something from 1972, filled with flower children. This campus makes Bezerkley look moderate. Remember this is the school that invited Mumia to speak at graduation a few years ago.

Most, if not all of the colleges and universities in WA are far left (Western WA calls their school center, "Red Square,"), but Evergreen is the worst, by far. Look for some accomplices on campus, would be my advice.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for your description of Evergreen State College.

It sounds like the perfect place to brainwash the unaborted sons and daughters of Rat into being Anti American Cop killers. For 3-4 decades these anti America/American hate colleges/universities have been spreading their vile messages of hate.

This rabid cop killer student is probably just the tip of the iceberg at Evergreen State College and most colleges and universities in America.

[jdontom]

It seems Muhammad and Malvo have had a busy few months: authorities believe they may be responsible for a fatal robbery at a Montgomery, Alabama liquor store in September. Malvo?s fingerprints were picked up on a magazine found at the crime scene.

Malvo? just happend to pick up a Gun Magazine, there is a theory here that the Red Bluff cop killer may have sent some of the e-mails as a set up for the FBI to start looking for Right Wing Gun Clubs. I thank there could be a connection with Andrew Mickel and the snipers and Right Wing Gun Owners. *Tin foil hat Off*....

If someone has a PING list going could I be added...

[archy]

I was told this Wednesday afternoon while I was talkingh to the Command Center and forgot to post it then...

The next time you discuss the case with Det Spurgeon or other investigators, you might ask if by chance the weapon used to murder Officer Mobilio was a 9mm Makarov pistol of Soviet/Bulgarianm/East German/Chinese manufacture; the ammunition is quite distinctive [usual 95 grain bullet or thereabouts; .364" bullet diameter] and the ballistics testing results should be in by now....

If so, there's an FBI agent to who's private desk number he really needs to give a call, to which I'll happily refer him. If not, no worries.

-archy-/-

[Neil E. Wright]

I just got off the phone with Det. Spurgeon at the Command Center. I forwarded this whole thread to him and he said he would turn it over to other investigators to follow-up on.

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[eno_]

there is a theory here that the Red Bluff cop killer may have sent some of the e-mails as a set up for the FBI to start looking for Right Wing Gun Clubs

That's a damn good theory. I think what we are paying are the wages of not having taken a good hard look at eco/leftist/pro-abortion violence in the Clinton years. Yes, neo-Nazis are bad, and they should be under surveillance, but so should Wahhabi mosques and the violent end of the anti-globalist traveling circus. And I bet you'll find foreign agents sniffing around all kinds of extremist gatherings.