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Abortion foe punched
The Gazette ^ | Wednesday, November 27, 2002 | Erin Jordan

Posted on 11/27/2002 8:43:11 AM PST by toenail

Abortion foe punched

By Erin Jordan
The Gazette
Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 8:59:24 AM

IOWA CITY -- Donna Holman said her husband, Dan, has been beaten up four times in the last year by people who don't like his anti-abortion preaching outside clinics that offer abortions.

Dan Holman, 55, ended up in the hospital Tuesday after he was assaulted outside the Emma Goldman Clinic for Women by a man who objected to him videotaping people entering the clinic, police said.

The Holmans are from Keokuk. "He preaches repentance and says you will burn in hell if you don't repent. They don't like that here at Emma Goldman," Donna Holman, 67, said.

Bradley Glenn Ewoldt, 20, of Davenport, was charged with assault causing injury after police accused him of punching Holman in the nose just after 9 a.m. Tuesday outside the clinic at 227 N. Dubuque St.

The Holmans, members of a group called the Missionaries for the Unborn, have been in Iowa City for several weeks protesting at both the Emma Goldman Clinic and Planned Parenthood, at 850 Orchard St.

While they stood in front of Emma Goldman on Tuesday with large pictures of aborted fetuses, Dan Holman videotaped four people entering the clinic. He later used the camera to tape Ewoldt when Ewoldt came out of the building to smoke a cigarette, Iowa City police reported.

Ewoldt told Holman twice to stop videotaping, but Holman continued, police said. Ewoldt punched Holman in the face and broke Holman's video camera, police said. Holman said Ewoldt also kicked him. Holman was transported to Mercy Iowa City, where he was treated and released.

Donna Holman said she and her husband usually use the camera to videotape their interaction with police to make sure their right to free speech is not violated. Lt. Sid Jackson said the Holmans have videotaped police officers' actions in the last two weeks.

Emma Goldman Executive Director Karen Kubby said she is concerned because the tactics of anti-abortion protesters, such as the Holmans, are escalating from verbal interaction to videotaping.

"Although the courts have said it (videotaping) is legal, I think it is an invasion in many people's minds," Kubby said. "It does make it very difficult for clients and supporters when they are yelled and screamed at."

Kubby said she has heard of anti-abortion protesters putting videos of people using clinics that offer abortions on the Internet or public-access television. This has not been done at the Emma Goldman Clinic, she said.




All local content copyright © 2002 by The Gazette Company, Cedar Rapids, Iowa


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: donnaholman
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1 posted on 11/27/2002 8:43:11 AM PST by toenail
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To: toenail
I am so sick of these Proabortion bullies picking on the most frail of society....wow, big people, killing unborn children and punching senior citizens.

I am 6'4'', 220 lbs.....i would love to have one of these hags come at me.
2 posted on 11/27/2002 8:48:07 AM PST by matthew_the_brain
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To: toenail
"He preaches repentance and says you will burn in hell if you don't repent. They don't like that here at Emma Goldman," Donna Holman, 67, said.

Sounds like someone can't handle the TRUTH!

3 posted on 11/27/2002 8:49:52 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: matthew_the_brain
wow, big people, killing unborn children and punching senior citizens.

My sister took part in an Operation Rescue once and she said she had NEVER heard such vile language and ugliness (from the pro-aborts) in her LIFE!

4 posted on 11/27/2002 8:51:24 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: matthew_the_brain
I am 6'4'', 220 lbs.....i would love to have one of these hags come at me.

People who punch out others simply because they can are pathetic. You, OTOH, would only do so in self-defense, right?
5 posted on 11/27/2002 8:52:08 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: toenail
A few items:

Rather than gory pictures of aborted infants, try displaying this photo.

Also, videotaping folks against their wishes is rude and will get you a punch in the nose. Just a fact is all.

I understand the desire to stem the tide of abortions. Anyone who knows me on FR knows me to be a steadfast pro-lifer. There are a variety of ways to change hearts and minds. The tactics used by these folks, however, help fuel sympathy for the pro-death crowd.

6 posted on 11/27/2002 8:53:17 AM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: toenail
Ewoldt told Holman twice to stop videotaping, but Holman continued, police said. Ewoldt punched Holman in the face and broke Holman's video camera, police said. Holman said Ewoldt also kicked him. Holman was transported to Mercy Iowa City, where he was treated and released.

This is assault. Have him arrested. Then sue him for civil rights violations.

7 posted on 11/27/2002 8:56:14 AM PST by 2banana
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To: toenail
If you're getting beaten up on a frequent basis I suggest some martial arts training. You don't need a black belt to learn enough to give the other guy a reason to reconsider his attack. Knowledge of some pressure points and some simple joint locks will work wonders on another guy's agression.

They don't usually leave marks either.

8 posted on 11/27/2002 9:00:27 AM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: toenail
Wonder how much the "clinic" was paying this thug to provide "protection", (read: "intimidation of peacefull pro-life warriors").
The baby-killers are feeling the pressure from pro-life Americans, and the recent pro-life victories in this past election are increasing their paranoia.
They will get much nastier, and Americans sitting on the fence will see their true colors, just like at the Wellstone memorial/rally.
9 posted on 11/27/2002 9:00:39 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Psalm 73
If the "puncher" only objected to the camera on principle and was not himself being filmed or had no wife/girlfriend being filmed, then I agree he should be charged with assault.

On the other hand, if the protester was filming the puncher and/or his wife/girlfriend then the protester pretty much got what he was asking for. While I may not agree with the path the couple is choosing, I realize it is an extremely emotional decision and if a protester wants to stick his face into that situation, he takes his chances.

I also don't agree with people who beat the crap out of flag burners, but I certainly would understand a Veteran letting his emotions get the better of him and taking a swing or two. Burning a flag is just as legal as getting an abortion, you tell me what the LEGAL difference is (the Courts hear LEGAL arguements, not moral or Biblical ones).

Videotaping people and getting in their face with Scripture may deter a few abortions, but in the long run, I believe it hurts the overall cause.

To use your Wellstone analogy in a different way, it "pumped up" the blindly partisan, but overall it turned off the hearts and minds of the rest so much they wouldn't remember anything else come Election Day.

Photos like the "baby in hand" along with educating people (in a non-confrontational way)work a lot better than shoving post abortion photos in peoples faces.

Like it or not, abortion on demand is currently the law of the land and the only way to change that is via the courts. The confrontational tactics of some, I believe hurt us on this front.

Flame Away!!!!!!!!
10 posted on 11/27/2002 9:39:36 AM PST by Zansman
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To: Buffalo Bob
If they could all just come to recognize that this debate is what is in that picture.... What kind of evil is it that doesn't put this whole debate in such perspective, I'll never know.
11 posted on 11/27/2002 9:44:04 AM PST by Made In The USA
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To: toenail
unbelievable - but what do you expect from advocates of death
12 posted on 11/27/2002 9:52:21 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: All
Although I can't speak for others, as a Christian I don't know that demonstrating outside of these "clinics" is the best strategy to defeat abortion. Videotaping people going in and out of these places, esp considering the killings of some abortion doctors, probably does not make those filmed very comfy, either. I believe prayer and voting for the right candidates to overturn Row v. Wade is the best we can do. Abortion bothers me as much as anyone, but sometimes we Christians must be patient, even with an atrocity such as this.....
13 posted on 11/27/2002 9:53:54 AM PST by Malcolm
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To: Buffalo Bob
I agree with you. We are slowly winning over public opinion. We need tactics that persuade, not alienate. And thanks for the beautiful pik.
14 posted on 11/27/2002 9:59:03 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Buffalo Bob
Amen, Bob. Count me as standing with you in reverence for that little one of God's creating.
15 posted on 11/27/2002 10:01:54 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Zansman
The article says the guy just came out to smoke a cigarette - didn't say what he was doing there, or if anyone else was even with him. That's what made me think he was a hired goon.
But even if he (or his girl) was being filmed, - if you took my picture as I was coming out of the grocery store, would I have a right to physically assault you?
Pro-lifers being assaulted and abused is not a rare thing - it's pretty common.
Ask anyone who spends time there. Garden hoses turned on them, verbal abuse, things thrown at them - it's all pretty common.
But like Ann Coulter says, this past election seemed like God was giving America one last chance - we can turn back toward him, or wind up like the ancient Hebrews...
16 posted on 11/27/2002 10:24:55 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: toenail
Those who hate God
Love death
Woe to those who call good evil
and evil good
17 posted on 11/27/2002 10:26:07 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: toenail
Pro abortionists have nothing to fear but the truth.
18 posted on 11/27/2002 10:28:51 AM PST by ampat
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To: Malcolm
"Abortion bothers me as much as anyone, but sometimes we Christians must be patient, even with an atrocity such as this..."

Good think you weren't leading the British slave trade abolition movement in place of Witherspoon.
Remember, "Faith without works is dead"

19 posted on 11/27/2002 10:29:56 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Psalm 73
FYI to all posters on this thread:

I live in Iowa City, and the Karen Kubby mentioned in the article used to be on the City Council. She is a card-carrying Socialist (many times an epithet here at FR, but she REALLY has a card), and is married to an ex-military guy.

Iowa City, speaking as a transplanted South Carolinian, is a very odd place. The town, and county, is very Democrat, even Green, and controlled by a liberal University which dominates the employment picture. But Iowans in general tend to the conservative viewpoint. Tom Harkin shows up about a year before the elections, and is shown on all the local news broadcasts helping out some farmer or other citizen with some issue.

Then the election comes, and the Republican candidate blows up, saying something stupid. It really speaks to the power of incumbency here in Iowa; a lot of inertia once someone is in office. The state is in a big budget crunch, and the Dem governor came into office with a $900 million surplus. He got re-elected, too.
21 posted on 11/27/2002 10:38:34 AM PST by mumbo
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To: toenail
Emma Goldman Executive Director Karen Kubby said she is concerned because the tactics of anti-abortion protesters, such as the Holmans, are escalating from verbal interaction to videotaping.

Videotaping is 'an escalation'? Well, I guess evil people truly do know deep in their hearts that what they are doing is evil, and therefore really hate it when light is shined on their acts.

It's also telling that they also fear words...if they had their way, pro-life protesters would be silenced.

This was in Iowa City, right?---They don't call it 'the People's Republic of Johnson County' for naught...it's the home of Iowa U., and is the most liberal county in the state.

22 posted on 11/27/2002 10:42:20 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: toenail
"It does make it very difficult for clients and supporters when they are yelled and screamed at."

Ah yes, "clients." Just make sure the "clients" cough up the $350.

23 posted on 11/27/2002 10:45:22 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Buffalo Bob
Well said and I am in 100% agreement.
24 posted on 11/27/2002 10:48:14 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Zansman
Burning a flag is just as legal as getting an abortion...

Slight correction here, chief. Nobody dies when a flag is burned. I see a slight difference between a political statement and a child's death.

25 posted on 11/27/2002 11:02:13 AM PST by jimt
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To: toenail
Anti-abortion protesters use cameras for the same reason Freepers use cameras at protests. So if there is police brutality, or if someone assaults the protesters, there will be documented evidence as to who is telling the truth.

Given the savage behavior of many pro-aborts and sometimes of the police, and the very large number of assaults against pro-lifers over the years (including people driving up onto sidewalks) a camera is a necessary defensive weapon.
26 posted on 11/27/2002 11:03:59 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Buffalo Bob
I had that picture on my office door for a long time. It's a great picture. Hope it made some folks think.
27 posted on 11/27/2002 11:05:49 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Cicero
See this article, as well.
28 posted on 11/27/2002 11:20:53 AM PST by toenail
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To: matthew_the_brain
I am 6'4'', 220 lbs.....i would love to have one of these hags come at me.

Well, grab your video camera and head to Iowa City, dude. Ain't gonna catch any fish unless your bait's in the water!

29 posted on 11/27/2002 11:31:09 AM PST by Oberon
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To: Buffalo Bob
The tactics used by these folks, however, help fuel sympathy for the pro-death crowd.

I'm inclined to agree with your position, but the "tactics" here are very benign. The article does not mention any provocative actions beyond the preaching, the videotaping, and the display of pictures. If the protesters' actions were belligerent or obnoxious, that would not help their cause.

No, I do not classify preaching as belligerent or obnoxious even though today's American culture classifies the most minor expression of disagreement as "preaching".

After viewing the "progress" resulting from 30+ years of "freedom" from everything, much PREACHING is in order!

30 posted on 11/27/2002 11:39:19 AM PST by caprock
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To: Psalm 73
But also "the flesh profits nothing." Have you closed one clinic by protesting? Have you extinguished abortion by this method? Will you stop it in this manner??? No, you will have to do so through legislation or court action. And BTW, don't condemn me; you don't know me, nor my motives, and you are certainly not my judge.....
31 posted on 11/27/2002 12:40:27 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: jimt
Maybe you missed the part where I said it is just as LEGAL to get an abortion as it is to burn a flag. My comparison is strictly a LEGAL one as that is (at least in theory)what court decisions are based on: LAW not morality or Scripture.

As far as your statement that nobody dies when a flag is burned; How many do you think have died fighting for that flag? I guarantee there are many Veterans out there that don't see a burning flag, they see the death's of their friends, family, fellow soldiers, etc... being mocked and trivialized in much the same way you see abortion as mocking and trivializing human life and God.
32 posted on 11/27/2002 1:00:13 PM PST by Zansman
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To: Psalm 73
Your analogy of punching someone if they took your picture leaving a grocery store is somewhat bogus.

Are you saying that leaving a grocery store is just as controversial as leaving an abortion clinic? I would put taking pictures outside of an abortion clinic on par with taking pictures outside of a brothel or topless bar. It's not exactly something you would want anyone to know about thus creating a much greater potential for a volatile environment. If you're the photographer/protester/flag burner, you ought to know what you're doing may incite some people to violence. That doesn't necessarily make it right, that's just how it is.

Now to put a variation on your scenario: say you had been caught boffing the 18 year old cashier at Piggly Wiggly, your wife finds out and says she'll Bobbitt you if you ever go near that place again. Silly you, thinking you can get away with something decide to pay Miss Piggy a visit anyway. As you leave the store, the PI your wife has hired to bust you snaps a photo, in turn you snap and pop the guy in the face (a much more apples to apples analogy). Are you wrong in doing so? Sure. But I'm sure many would understand why you were so upset and lost it and not have too much sympathy for the PI.

Maybe God is giving us one last chance and maybe new Judges will reverse Roe v Wade. But until that happens, last chance or not abortion on demand is the current law and in- your-face confrontational tactics only slow that process down.
33 posted on 11/27/2002 1:08:05 PM PST by Zansman
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To: All
"It does make it very difficult for clients and supporters when they are yelled and screamed at."

Pitty, pitty, how difficult does she think it is for the baby that's about to be killed.
34 posted on 11/27/2002 1:16:04 PM PST by labowski
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To: Malcolm
Have you closed one clinic by protesting?

We have seen babies saved, and ya' don't get that by sitting home and wishing the world was a nicer place.

And BTW, don't condemn me; you don't know me, nor my motives, and you are certainly not my judge

Boy, a little sensitive, aren't we? Guilty conscience?
After all, I said not one word of condemnation or judgement. Or did I hit a nerve?

35 posted on 11/27/2002 7:34:58 PM PST by Psalm 73
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To: toenail
You know, I doubt that anyone would be upset if this guy stood outside their dentist's office and videotaped people going in and out.

Deep down, they know abortion is wrong. Deep down, they know abortion is the killing of a baby. And it infuriates them for anyone to hold up a mirror to them.

36 posted on 11/27/2002 7:39:31 PM PST by Skooz
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To: Zansman
It's not exactly something you would want anyone to know about thus creating a much greater potential for a volatile environment. If you're the photographer...you ought to know what you're doing may incite some people to violence.

Woah, If abortion is a legal procedure, like tonsillectomies, what's the problem? If they are feeling some type of shame, it is because they know it is wrong to kill babies, then that is their problem.
And as a conservative and/or libertarian - what about personal responsibility? If you become violent because I took your picture, YOU are the problem, not me. YOU are responsible for your actions, and reactions. You cannot blame your bad behavior on someone else - that would make you a Democrat!

37 posted on 11/27/2002 7:44:07 PM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Buffalo Bob
As far as "tactics" are concerned. This is an issue that will truly only be achieved without initial gov't intervention. Let's face it, Pandora's box has been open. However, on a brighter note, as ultrasound technology becomes more advanced, and expectant mothers can see their babies not just from their PC's but from hand held PDA's as well, the idea of having an abortion will become even more unfavored. Think of the abortion debate today as the slavery debate our country dealt with for many years before. While slave owners opposed the federal government intervening with "their property", pro-choicers' today will use the same arguement regarding a woman's body. Early abolotioninsts knew it would take time and patience to change the hearts and minds of the country regarding this issue as it will the abortion issue..so have faith
38 posted on 11/27/2002 7:59:03 PM PST by paltz
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To: Malcolm
I don't know that demonstrating outside of these "clinics" is the best strategy to defeat abortion.

As an sole strategy, no. As one tactic among many, it has its useful place in the scheme of things.

39 posted on 11/27/2002 8:04:00 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Malcolm
>Have you closed one clinic by protesting?


Found these from a quick google search:

http://cjonline.com/stories/051201/kan_neuhaus.shtml

http://www.mdfva.org/2002News/Abortion%20Clinic%20Forced%20Out%20In%20San%20Diego,%20But%20Not%20Going%20Quietly%20%20CNS%205o3L.htm

http://www.dotm.org/yanta.htm
40 posted on 11/27/2002 8:26:44 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: Psalm 73
My friend, it is YOU that seems more like the Democrat here. Arguments based on emotion (like yours), not logic, facts and reason are their hallmarks.

41 posted on 11/27/2002 10:16:23 PM PST by Zansman
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To: Psalm 73
You didn't hit anything. And we'll see on Judgement Day who is right and who is wrong, won't we?
42 posted on 11/27/2002 10:18:18 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: Chesterbelloc
But the POINT is, are going to stop abortion this way? The answer is NO! Voting for people to end abortion is not "sitting at home." All authority is from G-d, and yes Psalm 73, that ALSO means the US gov't. We shall see whether your method or mine, mixed with prayer, will end abortion. The flesh profits nothing. If you do it YOUR way, instead of G-d's, (and let's always consider that we CAN be wrong in our methods), you will always fail. Another question for you "perfect" people: who ended slavery, John Brown (illegally) or Lincoln (legally)? Think about it, if you do any thinking at all.....
43 posted on 11/27/2002 10:25:00 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: Kevin Curry
I'm not convinced it has worked at all. For the handful of clinics it has closed, it has also galvanized the opposition. If this was changed LEGALLY, (via our gov't, the only real place that any meaningful change CAN take place), then how could the pro-abortion people argue against that, with any MEANINGFUL argument, since it was done within the legal process?

My sincere thanks for you thoughful input. It sure beats the h--- our of pompous replies like P73 and what other self-righteous trash post here.....

44 posted on 11/27/2002 10:31:01 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: Malcolm
Well, I'm not sure if what you just wrote was aimed at me, but I actually agree with what you wrote:

"I believe prayer and voting for the right candidates to overturn Roe v. Wade is the best we can do."

I'd just add that it is not necessarily the only thing that can be done. And I don't think that a local prayerful, peaceful presence has to be counter-productive to larger goals; and they have resulted in some little ones running around now that otherwise would just not be.
45 posted on 11/28/2002 12:01:43 AM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: Psalm 73
What you said is true and I am an eyewitness to at least three acts in the last 6 months.

"These people are desperate .. they are finally being exposed and it's from the public witness of the street prayer warriors and the new ability to bypass proabort media and get the news out over the internet!!

"The baby-killers are feeling the pressure from pro-life Americans, and the recent pro-life victories in this past election are increasing their paranoia.
They will get much nastier, and Americans sitting on the fence will see their true colors, just like at the Wellstone memorial/rally."

46 posted on 11/29/2002 12:40:51 PM PST by victim soul
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To: toenail
This is HATE CRIME!
47 posted on 11/29/2002 1:11:34 PM PST by desertcry
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To: Malcolm
Many abortion protesters see their actions as saving lives. They believe that by giving pause to those going to the clinics, they might cause the mother to rethink her "choice," if only maybe for a day.

Many folks see this as a struggle to save lives, not just influence public policy.

48 posted on 11/29/2002 1:20:11 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Cicero
http://www.chicoer.com/articles/2002/12/02/news/news7.txt -- 11:48 a.m. Chico, CA.
49 posted on 12/02/2002 6:50:31 AM PST by toenail
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