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US STATES WITH MORE GUN OWNERS HAVE MORE MURDERS
Reuters ^ | 12/04/02 | Reuters - Charnicia E Huggins

Posted on 12/04/2002 10:58:29 AM PST by ServesURight

US States with More Gun Owners Have More Murders

By Charnicia E. Huggins

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Homicides in the United States are more common in states where more households own guns, according to researchers.

The study findings imply "that guns, on balance, lethally imperil rather than protect Americans," lead study author Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, told Reuters Health.

"This inference is consistent with previous...studies that have found that the presence of a gun in the home is a risk factor for homicide, and starkly at odds with the unsubstantiated, yet often adduced, notion that guns are a public good," he added.

Miller and his team investigated the association between homicide and rates of household firearm ownership using 1988-1997 data collected from the nine US census regions and the 50 states.

They found that household gun ownership was linked to homicide rates throughout the nine census regions. At the state level, the link between rates of gun ownership and murder existed for all homicide victims older than age 5, according to the report in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

In fact, the six states with the highest rates of gun ownership--Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, West Virginia and Arkansas--had more than 21,000 homicides, nearly three times as many as the four states with the lowest rates of gun ownership--Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and New Jersey.

Further, people who lived in one of the six "high gun states" were nearly three times as likely to die from any homicide and more than four times as likely to die from gun-related homicide than those who lived in "low gun states," the report indicates. Their risk of dying in a non-gun-related homicide was also nearly double that of those who lived in states with the lowest rates of gun ownership.

On average, about half of households in high gun states had firearms, according to data reported by three of the six states, in comparison to 13% of households in low-gun states.

Although homicide rates were higher in poor areas and in states with higher rates of non-lethal violent crime and urbanization, the association between household firearm ownership and homicide remained true when the researchers took these and other factors into consideration.

Still, Miller's team notes that it is not clear whether the higher rates of household gun ownership caused or resulted from the increased number of homicides.

"It is possible, for example, that locally elevated homicide rates may have led to increased local gun acquisition," they write.

SOURCE: American Journal of Public Health 2002;92:1988-1993.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; propaganda
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To: ServesURight
The people that own the guns legally in the state in question are probably shooting intruders, murderers and rapists in self defense, thereby increasing the homicide rate.
41 posted on 12/04/2002 11:27:37 AM PST by b4its2late
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To: gcruse
all just a bs story from the liberal left wing nuts!
42 posted on 12/04/2002 11:28:00 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: ServesURight
How abaout this headline for the same article:

STATES WITH MORE MURDERS HAVE MORE GUN OWNERS.

43 posted on 12/04/2002 11:29:12 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: michaelt
The paragraph that let's you know that hey played with the numbers is this one,

"Although homicide rates were higher in poor areas and in states with higher rates of non-lethal violent crime and urbanization, the association between household firearm ownership and homicide remained true when the researchers took these and other factors into consideration".

When you see the "remained true when" replace what follows by "we ignored any statistics that didn't support our predetermined results".
44 posted on 12/04/2002 11:29:40 AM PST by bota
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To: ServesURight
Rates of Household Firearm Ownership and Homicide Across US Regions and States, 1988–1997
Matthew Miller, MD, MPH, ScD, Deborah Azrael, MS, PhD and David Hemenway, PhD
Matthew Miller, Deborah Azrael, and David Hemenway are all from the Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Mass.

Correspondence: Requests for reprints should be sent to Matthew Miller, MD, MPH, ScD, Harvard School of Public Health, 677 Huntington Ave, Boston, MA 02115 (e-mail: mmiller@hsph.harvard.edu).


Objectives. In this study we explored the association between rates of household firearm ownership and homicide across the United States, by age groups.

Methods. We used cross-sectional time-series data (1988–1997) to estimate the association between rates of household firearm ownership and homicide.

Results. In region- and state-level analyses, a robust association between rates of household firearm ownership and homicide was found. Regionally, the association exists for victims aged 5 to 14 years and those 35 years and older. At the state level, the association exists for every age group over age 5, even after controlling for poverty, urbanization, unemployment, alcohol consumption, and nonlethal violent crime.

Conclusions. Although our study cannot determine causation, we found that in areas where household firearm ownership rates were higher, a disproportionately large number of people died from homicide.

http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/92/12/1988
45 posted on 12/04/2002 11:29:54 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: ServesURight
This is BS
Eliminate the big cities and the murders go WAY down
46 posted on 12/04/2002 11:34:07 AM PST by uncbob
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To: hgro
Now, let's look at murder rates, percentage of African-Americans for the ten states. Murder rate is number of murders per 100,000 people:

MA - 5.4 percent, 2.3
NJ - 13.6 percent, 4
RI - 4.5 percent, 3.7
HI - 1.8 percent, 2.6

AL - 26 percent, 8.5
Ark - 15.7 percent, 5.5
LA - 32.5 percent, 11.2
MI - 36.3 percent, 9.9
WV - 3.2 percent, 2.2
WY - .8 percent, 1.8

So with this simple bit of analysis, the high-gun ownership rate states of West Virginia and Wyoming have LOWER murder rates than the four low-gun ownership states. Hence the need to lump them with the four Southern states - to hide another possible finding of that study, one the PC folks at Harvard would NOT want to discover.

47 posted on 12/04/2002 11:34:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ServesURight
What gets me is that Harvard gets over $ 300,000,000 in tax money every year for its "research" -- our money.

The Harvard School of Public Health is the laughing-stock of the medical world. See

http://www.guncite.com/journals/tennmed.html

48 posted on 12/04/2002 11:35:03 AM PST by pabianice
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To: avg_freeper
dead bolts cause burglaries
flood insurance causes floods
reinforced structures cause earthquakes

LOL!....Beautiful logic.
49 posted on 12/04/2002 11:35:05 AM PST by DeFault User
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To: ServesURight
The study findings imply "that guns, on balance, lethally imperil rather than protect Americans," lead study author Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, told Reuters Health.

I love how gun ownership has recently become a matter of "Health." FMCDH

50 posted on 12/04/2002 11:35:22 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ServesURight
The study findings imply "that guns, on balance, lethally imperil rather than protect Americans," lead study author Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, told Reuters Health.

Dr. Miller, a noted expert on cause and effect, went on to point out that wind is caused by all the trees getting together and wiggling their limbs.

51 posted on 12/04/2002 11:37:30 AM PST by Blue Screen of Death
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To: ServesURight
...lead study author Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts...

Ummmm... Yeah. Got to this point, and knew this article was crap.

Typical dimocRAT BS.

52 posted on 12/04/2002 11:39:40 AM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: ServesURight
marked for a second coming
53 posted on 12/04/2002 11:42:11 AM PST by CyberCowboy777
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To: gcruse
I don't see any BS in the article at all.

Well, there is this:

In fact, the six states with the highest rates of gun ownership--Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, West Virginia and Arkansas--had more than 21,000 homicides, nearly three times as many as the four states with the lowest rates of gun ownership--Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and New Jersey.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did the author of this article compare raw numbers of homicides in six states to raw numbers of homicides in four other states? That's a pure BS comparison.

Of course, this may be the fault of the author of the news story and not the researchers, who may not have put forth such a comparison in their actual paper. But it certainly is "BS in the article". Comparing the number of homicides in a group of six states to the number of homicides in some other group of four states is a pure nonsense comparison. States have different populations and such. Especially take note of the fact that group 2 includes Rhode Island and Hawaii. I betcha group 1 also has "nearly three times as many" TiVos as group 2....

54 posted on 12/04/2002 11:42:13 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: hgro
Poverty rates can be another factor. First number, percent in poverty, second number, murder rate per 100,000:

MA - 9.3 percent, 2.3
NJ - 8.5 percent, 4
RI - 11.9 percent, 3.7
HI - 10.7 percent, 2.6

AL - 16.1 percent, 8.5
Ark - 15.8 percent, 5.5
LA - 19.6 percent, 11.2
MI - 19.9 percent, 9.9
WV - 17.9 percent, 2.2
WY - 11.4 percent, 1.8

So, with the exception of West Virginia, the poverty rate has a fair correlation to the relative murder rate.

In other words, there are many, many factors that better model the murder rate than gun ownership.

56 posted on 12/04/2002 11:45:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: JohnMosesBrowning
See post #47. Also see post #56 for correlation of poverty rate to murder rate.
57 posted on 12/04/2002 11:47:03 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ServesURight
It's a good thing they didn't throw Washington, DC into the mix. It might have skewed the numbers in the other direction.

Practically nobody owns a (legal) gun in DC.

58 posted on 12/04/2002 11:48:14 AM PST by Gritty
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To: ServesURight

Bulletin:

This just in: Recent study reveals link between autombiles and fatal traffic accidents.


59 posted on 12/04/2002 11:48:34 AM PST by semaj
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To: Dr. Frank
Don't forget that homicides include non-gun related homicides. Pure BS until you factor in the cause of death and break it into classes such as criminal, domestic violence etc...
60 posted on 12/04/2002 11:48:36 AM PST by Woodman
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