Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Individualism, Islam and the Leftist Insurrection
PipeBombNews.com ^ | December 5, 2002 | William A. Mayer

Posted on 12/05/2002 9:09:46 AM PST by johnqueuepublic

Individualism, Islam and the Leftist Insurrection

By William A. Mayer



What the left and radical Islam have in common is a clear intention to subvert traditional Western civilization.

Whereas Islam seeks a violent external overthrow as opposed to the left which has now taken the back door approach – both philosophies seek to impose a theocracy - the former seeking to impose one modeled on a rigid anti-Christian 10th century model while the latter a more modern but still anti-Christian one based upon its own religion of secular humanism and moral relativism.

As divergent as they appear at first blush, they really only differ in means. – one openly violent and almost studiously unthinking, the other cold, calculating and internally subversive.

At their heart both are anti-individualistic, and this recognition is very important because it is individualism that is the greatest enemy of a coercive state.

Capitalism is individualism expressed economically, providing a flow of goods and services based upon enlightened self-interest.

The crusade by the left against individualism takes many forms but in the current climate it is most readily observed being caught in the act of substituting group rights for individual rights.

It seeks, for example, to remove the specific individual right to keep and bear firearms in lieu of a supposedly overriding group right – in this case a specious one based upon deliberate misinformation – that sees its security diminished in proportion to the number of privately held legal firearms.

If one looks deeper, it is actually a mechanism whereby individualism is subordinated to ideas that are, by their very nature, destructive to personal liberty and freedom.

It used to be said that the freedom to swing your fist ended where the other fellow’s nose began, but it has progressed far past that now antique notion.

The freedom to even consider using marginally offensive language against protected groups – let alone actually swinging a fist - now falls within the purview of thought crime, wherein the state of ones mind regarding the status of another becomes paramount, often aggravating the matter involved to felonious proportion.

As an example, on Tuesday Dec 3, Pennsylvania Governor Mark Schweiker signed a bill that gives homosexuals statewide legal protection from "verbal harassment" and many critics feel the legislation could be used to gag church leaders who have the temerity to quote passages from the Bible dealing with homosexuality

The ultimate goal of the left is to eventually erect a coercive socialist state - and since it became clear, at least since the purges of Stalin, that the so-called workers of the world were in no mood to voluntarily embrace totalitarianism - a less frontal, more cerebral assaultive method has been concocted.

What needs to be understood is that the left has intentionally and deliberately declared and fomented the culture war, modeled upon an outline set forth by Antonio Gramsci, a little known but highly influential radical Italian communist [radical to the extent that he was to the left of Trotsky] because he realized that Western culture - so heavily infiltrated by Judeo-Christian ideas - would never allow Marxism to flower voluntarily, despite their having declared solidarity with the proletariat.

Gramsci realized that undermining and replacing the culture was paramount in furtherance of the socialist agenda.

That Gramsci has such marginal recognition outside the Marxist intellectual class belies the power of his ideas within the community that directly has put them into action and since the second world war the Communist Party of Italy has been feverishly translating Gramsci into 30 different languages, content that exposure would fertilize the withering seeds of their ideology.

“Today, there exists only one form of revolutionary solidarity: to win. It therefore demands of us that we should not neglect any single element that might put us in a condition to win…This [proletarian] revolution also presupposes the formation of a new set of standards, a new psychology, new ways of feeling, thinking and living that must be specific to the working class, that must be created by it, that will become 'dominant' when the working class becomes the dominant class.”

Gramsci called the power of culture to influence and shape action, hegemony. He reasoned that because this is a product of the collective whole it was at that level that societal attitudes needed to be dealt with in order to effect the changes that they desired - seeking to - block by block - create a culture more supportive of a utopian state.

The promotion of the hip-hop generation/Hollywood pop ethos - bereft of Judeo-Christian ethical considerations - is merely the latest and most successful effort that the left has rolled out towards that end.

What Gramsci correctly observed to be the motive force behind the process of changing the direction of society - manipulation of the symbols and motifs - has been employed since the sixties under the banner of “marching through the institutions.”

The targets are obvious, the law and judiciary, education, religion, the permanent governmental bureaucracy, the non-profit foundation apparatus and of course the media.

In some large measure they have been successful with this Trojan Horse approach, having won the first round because of the blind sided nature of the attack - but their penetration though reasonably wide is in reality quite shallow and extremely geographically biased towards both coasts, which just happen to be the primary media centers - drawing similarly minded individuals like rotting carrion draws scavengers.

Conservatives have a natural disadvantage in this fight in that they tend to resist the cadre mentality so prevalent among the left but you can see some real progress and inroads have most assuredly been made.

Probably the clearest example of this was demonstrated on November 5. The fact that a “minority” president was able to marshal his forces in such a manner as to now control both Houses of Congress as well as the executive branch is historic by contemporary political standards.

911 was huge psychically in bringing this about. It forced the polity to soberly plumb the depths of moral depravity created by a half century of increasingly socialistic anti-individualism. A bitter medicine yes, but far less injurious than the disease for which it is prescribed.

From united governance will come judicial appointments that hew much more closely to strict constructionism than at any time in the recent past, a very good thing.

If Bush can manage to retain this and even build on his thin but real majority in two years there will be a real opportunity to repopulate the bureaucracy in places like the Department of State which now serves as a hidey hole for Clintonistas who have been forced to ground.

As for the think tanks, the 501c3 charitable trusts and the rest of their ilk, the future is less encouraging. As we have written here oft times in the past, grand old institutions like the Rockefeller, Ford and Mott foundations have been literally captured by the collectivists and are being used to fuel further conflict along the cultural fault lines and nothing on the horizon seems to loom large in reversing this trend.

On the media side we have three huge victories, the rise of conservative talk radio – the importance of which is validated nearly daily with shrill attacks and calls for outright censorship coming from the Democrat leadership – the ascension of Fox News whose slightly right alignment drives latter day Bolsheviks crazy and the cottage industry which we here at PipeBombNews participate in, conservative/libertarian cyber communities empowering and giving voice to those who live in “flyover” country.

This trinity will serve as a pathway for similarly constituted enterprises, fostering an hegemony which can more strongly support limited government and liberty.

The churches are a sore point in the extreme and a breeding ground for lunatic excursions into xenophobia, social deviance and the like – the sight of South Korea Catholic priests blindly conducting an anti-American fasting spectacle just this week, the homosexual infiltration into the very corpus of the Church of Rome and the feel-good “modernism” of much of Protestantism give much pause for concern, as does the increasing liberalism of much of American Jewry.

Catholicism seems to have hit rock bottom ethically with a rebound towards traditionalism possibly the only direction to go. Absent anything of similar proportion forcing re-assessment, the Protestant church seems to be content dancing down the descending primrose path.

Fortunately the devout laity – the bedrock upon which organized religion is built – has successfully struggled to maintain a perspective far more conservative than what would be suggested by merely assessing the views of the governing hierarchies.

So, whither individualism?

As noted above, without creating a supportive counter zeitgeist - to employ Mr. Gore’s lapse into arcane German social science nomenclature - a real leftwing culture cannot exist.

Taking into account the cumulative effect of having a near 5,000-year head start with regards to an established ethical framework based upon Mosaic law, combined with the eye opening madness of the Twin Tower attack, it may be a long time before we ever again reach the nadir that coincided with the Clinton presidency.

We are by no means out of the woods and our progress so far may turn out to by fleeting but the dimension of the forest is now known and demarked and our victories are real and hopefully sustainable.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizatio; clinton; communism; gramsci; individualism; socialsim
This one is a keeper, Mayer nails this one.
1 posted on 12/05/2002 9:09:46 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Thanks for posting this outstanding article.
2 posted on 12/05/2002 9:11:02 AM PST by Judith Anne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Judith Anne
You are welcome, Anne, this guy has been cranking good stuff out like for years.
3 posted on 12/05/2002 9:16:15 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Thanks for finding posting this great article. I have just book marked it.
4 posted on 12/05/2002 9:28:44 AM PST by Grampa Dave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is a great article and ties in with your constant reminder to us about the dangers of Gramsci and his communistic rantings.
5 posted on 12/05/2002 9:30:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Grampa Dave
Thanks gramps.
6 posted on 12/05/2002 9:45:19 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
I've been reading him for a couple of years.
7 posted on 12/05/2002 9:45:23 AM PST by Judith Anne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
bump for later reading
8 posted on 12/05/2002 9:47:53 AM PST by lelio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexing.
9 posted on 12/05/2002 9:55:15 AM PST by denydenydeny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Judith Anne
Good on you!
10 posted on 12/05/2002 9:55:34 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: denydenydeny
????
11 posted on 12/05/2002 9:56:00 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Ditto everyone above. This guy hits the bullseye. Bump for reference.
12 posted on 12/05/2002 9:58:18 AM PST by PLOM...NOT!
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic


Article by Yashiko Sagamori, Candidate for Secretary of
State of California

Yashiko Sagamori 6 nov 2002

Have you ever thought that, in the unfolding conflict between the
Muslim world and the
civilization, the Muslims behave much more logically than the West?

If I believe that you are unlawfully occupying, let's say, an island
that's rightfully mine, I will send
troops to that island. Their purpose will be to suppress any
military resistance your army can
offer, and re-establish my ownership over that piece of land. There
is absolutely no need for
me to target civilians in such a conflict: from any prospective, it
would be not just immoral, but
totally counterproductive vis-a-vis my goals in the conflict.

Jihad however is not about territories. It is about a way of life.
If I wanted to destroy your way of
life, going after your military installations would be largely
futile, especially if your military might
is a billion times greater than anything I can ever dream of. Your
army, no matter how
powerful, is only a tiny portion of your way of life. Blowing up an
office building full of so called
"innocent civilians" advances my cause much farther and much more
convincingly (especially
if it causes you to engage in soul-searching instead of
exterminating me once and forever
which you are perfectly capable of accomplishing) than killing the
same number of military
personnel, precisely because those civilians are the most important,
irreplaceable components
of the way of life I am trying to destroy. Their "innocence" is
non-existent. The term is nothing
but an absurd euphemism for their absurd inability to defend
themselves. Think about it: how
can an infidel be innocent? Isn't it an obvious contradiction in
terms?

If you think I am being sarcastic, read the previous paragraph
again: I am only trying to explain
how the enemy's mentality is better suited for the conflict than
ours.

During WWII, when the very survival of our civilization was in
question (although not as acutely
as it is now), the United States treated enemy civilians in a more
reasonable manner than our
current impotent, defeatist morality dictates. Hiroshima and
Nagasaki were destroyed along
with most of their 100% civilian population despite the fact that
they had not a single military
installation in either of them. As a result, Japan surrendered. As a
result, lives of about a
million American soldiers were spared, along with probably four or
five times that many
Japanese, most of them civilians. Conclusion: Japan should not have
put the United States in
a position where even humanitarian gestures would be so murderous
for the Japanese.

In recent times, Israel is being daily penalized for killing
Palestinian "civilians". Nothing can be
more absurd, considering that "Palestinian people" didn't even exist
until after the Six Day War,
when that shameful misnomer was assigned to the largest and most
successful terrorist
organization in history. An Arab on the way to glorious martyrdom
remains an unarmed
civilian until he or she straps the explosives to his or her body.
People who organize terrorist
acts are considered unarmed civilians until their affiliation with a
terrorist organization is
proven, preferably in court. Women that lured 13 Israeli soldiers
into a murderous trap in Jenin
were perfectly unarmed civilians. Louis Farrakhan and his army are
considered unarmed
civilians. Mosques, those foreposts of Jihad spread around the
United States and Europe, are
considered off limits as religious institutions.

By the way, a religious cult requiring animal sacrifices would most
probably cause wide
spread protests and be eventually outlawed in this country. However,
the religious cult that
demands human sacrifices on the global scale -- conversion,
enslavement, or extermination of
all "infidel" everywhere in the world -- is respectfully classified
as a "monotheistic religion" and
"Abrahamic faith". In reality, it is Satan himself clumsily
disguised as a saint.

We are doomed to destruction unless we start treating Islam the way
we did Nazism. I am not
calling for an anti-Muslim genocide: our decisive victory in WWII
was achieved without
exterminating the Germans. Instead, we exterminated Nazism. Today,
we have no choice but
to exterminate the most murderous ideology that has ever existed --
Islam.

I see many parallels between today's world and the situation at the
beginning of WWII. With the
sole exception of Great Britain, not a single government tried to
oppose Hitler. If Hitler had not
betrayed Stalin, the Soviet Union would've had no reason to oppose
him either. Contrary to
the popular myth, the United States did not enter the war to stop
the Holocaust: they did it to
prevent Stalin from going all the way to the Channel and creating
the European Union a few
decades prematurely.

Today, Muslims invade civilized countries under the benign guise of
immigration. Their
influence in Europe and even in the United States is growing
steadily and will continue to do so
unopposed until we finally wake up, although it's hard to tell if
we're ever going to do it in time
to save ourselves. Hypnotized by our own impotent dogmas, we
stubbornly refuse to
recognize the never-ending Arab was against Israel, the September
11, the war in Chechnya,
the terrorist acts in various parts of the world for what they are:
individual fronts of steadily
growing Jihad, whose openly stated purpose is to destroy our
civilization and establish the rule
that would make Taliban look helplessly liberal. So far, they are
winning.
13 posted on 12/05/2002 10:02:46 AM PST by joesnuffy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PLOM...NOT!
What can be done about the non profits, they are supposed to be politcially inactive but they are always engaging in politics regardless.
14 posted on 12/05/2002 10:04:02 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: joesnuffy
Really interesting piece, what party was Mr S affilitated with?
15 posted on 12/05/2002 10:08:27 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Good article.
16 posted on 12/05/2002 10:11:57 AM PST by EternalHope
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Grampa Dave
It was a complete detriment to the United States that Joe McCarthy had to work with a gavel and Roy Cohn instead of a chainsaw and a large professional wrestler.
17 posted on 12/05/2002 10:33:04 AM PST by SandfleaCSC
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SandfleaCSC
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed along with most of their 100% civilian population despite the fact that they had not a single military installation in either of them.

Unlike the Germans who separated their large arms manufacturing centers away from civilian populations, the Japanese (especially during the latter years of WWII) manufactured their armaments in an almost cottage industry setting with small plants scattered throughout their civilian population. The Tokyo fire raids were a good example of USAF intentionally trying to cripple Japanese small arms production prior to a mainland invasion. If you want to quote examples of useless civilian slaughter in WWII, names like Coventry, Dresden, and Shanghai should come to mind.
18 posted on 12/05/2002 10:45:20 AM PST by SandfleaCSC
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: joesnuffy
Excellent article, joe. The honorable Sagamori knows our enemy well. Drastic actions may well be required from all of us before this is said and done if we are to remain a free people. The socialists and Islamists are equally committed to destroying our way of life.
19 posted on 12/05/2002 11:09:29 AM PST by MoGalahad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: MoGalahad
Mogal

What I cant figure out is why they think they can win, we killed the Taliban in Afghanland in about 6 weeks, something the entire Soviet Army couldnt do in years.

And we destroyed Sadams army in about the same time in the Gulf War

These guys have no idea what is in store for them, the Truman battle group 13,000 men strong just left the US shored headed for the Iraq.

Hunker down ragboys you are about to see the mother of all cans of whoopass opened on your sorry Islamic butts.

Can you say EMP weapons??????
20 posted on 12/05/2002 11:17:42 AM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Bump
21 posted on 12/05/2002 12:49:55 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
What you are having trouble realizing is that this is not a set-piece battle where you move your tanks, I move mine, and whoever blows the other away wins. Let me say this. What upset me the most about September 11th was how brilliant the attack was. In one strike Al Queda won a major battle in their war to take down western civilization. The reason is that no matter what we do they've driven a wedge against Muslim and Christian. This is not to say one hasn't been there since the Greeks were oppressed by those ancient people called Persians, but that brings up a whole different discussion I'm not prepared for.
The fact of the matter is that there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. Are you saying we should kill them all? Do you really think we can bomb them all into submission?
The Bush administration is doing an excellent job using force where it is needed (like against despotic regime in Iraq) and embracing the Muslim faith as part of the fellowship of mankind (like he did today in Washington DC to celebrate the end of Ramadan). Our leaders are being both wise and courageous enough to see that sometimes we need the carrot to reward our Muslim allies and other times we need the stick to keep murderers from spreading their poison. I hope my fellow Americans share Mr. Bush's vision.
If we help lead this world with compassion and justice we will leave this world for the better. Long live the Pax Americana.

Deuce Traveler
22 posted on 12/05/2002 1:42:17 PM PST by DeuceTraveler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: DeuceTraveler
DT

What the Muslims did on 9-11 imho saved us from something even worse, maybe a nuclear attack.

Before that date few here seriously thought that something like that would ever happen, we knew about Hamas, Black September, the PLO etc but we couldnt conceive of what would eventually happen in New York and at the Pentagon.

By attacking us these guys tipped their hand and even though it was horrific it was not a killing blow.

That was a huge mistake by the fundamentalists, now we know they and unfortunately much of the Islamic world is harboring such hate and envy that they will do anything to harm us.

And Bush has put his plan into action, we killed Al Qaeda in Afghanistan as the first step, next its going to be Iraq. We will take our time and take whomever down that represents a threat if that means Iran and then the Saudis I say go for it. I dont want accommodation, I want vengeance and scorched and salted earth until they beg for mercy, then I say we should give them some more just for good measure.

That is all they will understand.

Now if Bin Laden was really clever what he would have done is nothing on Sept 11, he would have continued to build his infrastructure until he actually had a nuke, then he would have snuck it into DC and taken out the entire government in one blow, that might have ended our society, maybe not, but it would have been horrendous.

The wedge was already there between Muslims and Christians we just didnt know it.
23 posted on 12/05/2002 2:55:53 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: DeuceTraveler
One last point.

If we try to lead this world with as you say with "compassion and justice we will leave this world for the better" we will surely not prevail.

Compassion can come later, now its time for war.

24 posted on 12/05/2002 3:00:10 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
I agree with your previous post. There was a lot less anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world than Bin Laden believed. If he tried to get his teeth deeper into some more institutions we would have been in trouble, especially with the new liberal isolationist trend we were driving towards.
I also agree that Iraq needs to be removed from the chessboard and that war is the only way I can see to do it. I am stressing, however, that we need to more actively support Muslims who have been on our side, especially their non-violent democratic movements.
Finally, I do not like the term rag head.
25 posted on 12/05/2002 3:12:35 PM PST by DeuceTraveler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: DeuceTraveler
I probably shouldnt use the term, you are correct.

What I find really chilling is that after the japanese attack on Pearl we had groups of japanese here volunteering to join the servie just to show their patriotism.

Where are the Muslims like this?

I dont think they exist.

Check out the poll that the Pew organization did yesterday, the populations in most of the Islamic world simply hate our guts.

Ok, fine, if thats what they want then may God have mercy on their souls because they simply cant conceive of what we are cabable of doing, they have no conception that if things really get rough places like Mecca are going to be turned to glass.
26 posted on 12/05/2002 3:19:31 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Actually, I have seen two articles dealing with Muslims in the US military. One was an Afghani whose parents fled to the US with him when he was young. He is now in the military and was stationed in Kabul last year.
There was another article a few months ago about a Lebonese-American that signed up after 9-11, to the shock of his family. He said he wanted to protect his home. His family was concerned he'd be hurt. It would be interesting for a historian to take some numbers down and figure out the percentage of Japanese-American soldiers during WWII and Muslim-American soldiers in the last year, but I admit I'm not privy to that data. Also, I wish I could remember if the Lebonese man was Christian or Muslim, since there are a large number of both.
I wish I had those articles for you. I'll try to look around.

DeuceTraveler
27 posted on 12/05/2002 3:26:51 PM PST by DeuceTraveler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

Comment #28 Removed by Moderator

To: johnqueuepublic
And I don't trust polls... it's all how they word the question.

Look at how the polls told the mid-terms would go.
29 posted on 12/05/2002 3:27:43 PM PST by DeuceTraveler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: onetimeatbandcamp
In the first place I didnt write this, but hip hop culture is certainly an attribute of the inner city culture which was created by Johnson's not so great society.

The media that features and promotes this type of anti female pro gang thought process (if it can be termed that) also is supportive of extreme left wing demos like Clinton.

Read a few issues of Rolling Stone and their position on the upcoming war in Iraq and Bush.

Check out what is going on in hip hop, check out the lyrics of Lil' Kim and make up your own mind - the culture has been debased to the point where women who are the victims of this stuff are embracing it and extending it in even more harmful ways.

To my way of thinking its like Jews embracing dances at Dachau.
30 posted on 12/05/2002 7:16:35 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: DeuceTraveler
The polls before Nov 5 showed things to be close, and that is how it turned out.

I wont say the polls conducted by Pew are totally accurate but they show a really bad trend, if my memory serves me correctly in Jordan 73% of the population disagree with our actions after 911, that is not a good trend.

What has happened in the muslim world is that through force feeding the populace hate propoganda against the west they have succeeded in creating a generation of blind terror supporters.
31 posted on 12/05/2002 7:20:46 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: DeuceTraveler
I think I heard or read that Maddie Allbright had something to do with this poll. Has anyone else seen or heard about this link? TIA, Will
32 posted on 12/05/2002 8:17:45 PM PST by ptrey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

Comment #33 Removed by Moderator

To: johnqueuepublic
Whereas Islam seeks a violent external overthrow as opposed to the left which has now taken the back door approach – both philosophies seek to impose a theocracy - the former seeking to impose one modeled on a rigid anti-Christian 10th century model while the latter a more modern but still anti-Christian one based upon its own religion of secular humanism and moral relativism.

I believe this is wrong. Moral relativism, multiculturalism, (facile) humanism, all these are tactics the left uses to sow destructive divisivness in and to undermine liberal, civil societies. Once the glorious revolution occurs, however, relativism is abruptly abandoned. The left (the hard left at least) is violent, totalitarian, moralistic and intolerant at heart. Their humanistic propaganda is only for egging on the useful idiots.

34 posted on 12/05/2002 10:28:36 PM PST by Stultis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DeuceTraveler
I am stressing, however, that we need to more actively support Muslims who have been on our side, especially their non-violent democratic movements.

Many learned and anti-islamist Muslims have fled to the West. We should be underwriting Arabic presses and running them day and night to publish their writings.

35 posted on 12/05/2002 10:42:08 PM PST by Stultis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: DeuceTraveler
DT

My point is that there is no groundswell of support among Muslims for the war on terror like there was among Japaneses Americans after the Pearl Harbor attack. I dont think there are any significant number of Muslims in the military and my guess would be that most of them are of the Black muslim variety and not of mid east extraction.
36 posted on 12/07/2002 12:20:39 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Stultis
We did a terrible job supporting anti sadam forces, you are correct.
37 posted on 12/07/2002 12:22:02 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: ptrey
In regard to albright, I dont know of any connection with Pew, although it is a notorious left wing think tank and is currently working with Leon Panetta in california to screw with oceaninc issues including limiting fishing, placing much of the california coast under further governmental regulation etc.
38 posted on 12/07/2002 12:24:51 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Stultis
Im not sure about your conclusions but I dont think they are necessarily contradictory of what Myer is saying.
39 posted on 12/07/2002 12:27:06 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Stultis
Im not sure about your conclusions but I dont think they are necessarily contradictory of what Myer is saying.
40 posted on 12/07/2002 12:27:08 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Whoops sorry for dbl post.
41 posted on 12/07/2002 12:28:00 PM PST by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Clemenza; rmlew; Yehuda; RaceBannon; PARodrig; Kaafi; rdb3; mhking
Antonio Gramsci bump.

He has been an icon in left thinking since the 30's. Understand how the enemy thinks and what he thinks.

42 posted on 12/07/2002 12:32:40 PM PST by Cacique
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson