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1 posted on 12/08/2002 6:12:57 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
||| "Because of the energy value of helium-3, the potential is there to ultimately finance a return to the moon with investors. Then the taxpayer gets a break" |||

Ultimately + taxpayer gets a break = not in our lifetime.

Although, I've no problem with lunar exploration, as long as it puts some Americans to work, and not just the Chinese..

2 posted on 12/08/2002 6:19:50 PM PST by fone
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To: Dog Gone
Despoiling Mother Gaia isn't enough for these techno-barbarians? They have to despoil Luna as well?

Disclaimer: For those that are humor impaired, the preceeding paragraph was so heavily sarcastic that some of it dripped on the keyboard.

/john

3 posted on 12/08/2002 6:20:10 PM PST by JRandomFreeper
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To: Dog Gone
If Helium-3 were in demand NOW, this might be
workable.
5 posted on 12/08/2002 6:23:58 PM PST by crypt2k
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bttt
6 posted on 12/08/2002 6:24:09 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Dog Gone
Oh wow! Now all we need is a big wire!

(I bet Tom Daschle sounds like he's on helium-3 when he's really mad)

7 posted on 12/08/2002 6:26:00 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Dog Gone
The money wasted and invested into the ISS would have be well spent on this endeavor and others on the lunar surface.
8 posted on 12/08/2002 6:26:07 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Dog Gone
...may be the discovery of an invisible nuclear power source locked in the gray lunar soil.

Stop this right now! Nuclear? No way! Protesters pay= $20.00/day + a joint---- time to organize!

9 posted on 12/08/2002 6:27:46 PM PST by Mark
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To: Dog Gone
Better file an EIS. Can't we all just agree that the moon needs to be left in its' natural state for "all" to enjoy? After a green CA tourist asked me in all seriousness if coyotes would harm a dog puppy I've put them on my better dead for their own good list.
10 posted on 12/08/2002 6:30:59 PM PST by Righty1
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To: Dog Gone
So this might be the space potato.

Discovering the potato in America revolutionized food production in Europe because it can be grown in soil too poor to support grain. Potatoes doubled European food production. I knew that there would be something discovered out there that would revolutionize life on Earth as radically as the potato did.
11 posted on 12/08/2002 6:33:14 PM PST by Tokhtamish
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; general_re
I am developing a process to create Helium-3 using the digestive tract operating of a secret recipe involving beer, garlic, and Fig Newtons, based upon my revolutionary Quantum Theory of Flatulence.

This process will make free-energy a reality, and will avoid the need to go to the moon (or anywhere else other the local convenience store) to get Helium-3.

I am setting up a company to license this amazing technology to create Helium-3 so that the world will benefit from free-energy. Licensing agreements must be executed, and payment rec'd, before disclosure of the details of how my process works will be made similtaneously to all licensees via the internet.

My amazing Helium-3 process is the result of 2 years work by over 400 visionary researchers, including many top-rank scientists, none of whom I will identify. They have been working in secret in my basement laBORatory, refining the perfect recipe for the production of this wonderful, energy-producing, environmentally friendly gas.

Since this discovery was overlooked by mainstream scientists, they will naturally be envious of what we have accomplished, so there is no point in publishing our findings in a reputable scientific journal; they would refuse to publish revolutionary work like this. We instead will publish vague pronouncements on the internet, devoid of any meaningful details, but full of peppy-sounding words and phrases honed by our cracker-jack Public Relations flacks. They will even insert an occasional vague religious allusion, using phrases like "scripturally inspired" and "spiritually motivated," to dupe religiously-minded people into wanting in on the action. Then we will sit back and watch what people on the internet say, and we will update our website frequently to delete material that tips people off to the fact we are running a scam, and replace it with new material proven to suck in the suckers.

These license agreements are going to sell like hot cakes, so be sure to fill out your application and include a cashier's check in the amount of $5,000 ea. (payable to our bankers in the Cayman Islands) for whatever continent you want exclusive rights to. It doesn't matter if someone else has already purchased the rights to the same territory; we intend on selling as many licenses as we can, regardless of overselling; if the airlines can do it with seats, why not us?

Please check back frequently for new updates, and the address the company will soon be moving to in a country with no extradition treaty with the US....

13 posted on 12/08/2002 6:57:27 PM PST by longshadow
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I have seen serious estimates that a shuttle bay load of H3 would/could power the entire U.S. for a year.

There is a lot of research going on now using h3.
14 posted on 12/08/2002 7:01:30 PM PST by Lokibob
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To: Dog Gone
 
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/226053.stm
 
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 Published at 01:59 GMT


Sci/Tech

Moon map aids discovery


The red indicates an abundance of helium-3 on the Moon's surface


By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse

Future prospectors on the Moon may be assisted by an intriguing new lunar map developed by scientists in Arizona and Hawaii.

It shows places where the element helium-3 can be found in the lunar dirt. Helium-3 is rare on Earth, but more common on the Moon.

Its importance lies in the fact that it could be an efficient fuel for nuclear fusion reactors.

Fusion reactors are still under development and it will be many decades, if ever, before they provide power commercially.

But they have many advantages over conventional nuclear reactors in that they produce far more power and produce much less radioactive waste.

Today's design of fusion reactor uses tritium as a fuel, an isotope of hydrogen extracted from sea water. But Helium-3 would be even more efficient and produce even less radioactive waste.

Solar wind

The helium-3 found in the lunar soil comes originally from the Sun. A stream of particles from the Sun, called the solar wind, contains helium-3 which is deposited on the Moon's surface.


[ image: Some regions of the moon will be more abundant than others]
Some regions of the moon will be more abundant than others
Many scientists believe that energy is the key to the exploration of the Moon and the development of its resources.

The factors taken into account by the researchers in mapping the likely abundance of helium-3 in a given area of the Moon are the exposure age of the Moon's surface matter, or regolith; the amount of helium-3, arriving from the Sun in the solar wind and the titanium content of the lunar soil.

Older regions of the Moon's surface should be better sources of helium-3 because they have been exposed to the solar wind longer and contain greater amounts of fine-grained aggregates that absorb helium-3.

Taking this into consideration, the scientists estimate that the greatest amounts of helium-3 will be found on the far side in the maria, or "seas," of the Moon.

Helium-3 could also be found in near side areas where high concentrations of titanium dioxide help trap the isotope.

Energy efficiency

Even though helium-3 is more abundant on the Moon than on the Earth, it is still very rare amounting to only 4 or 5 parts per billion in the lunar soil.

To extract one tonne of helium-3, it is estimated that 200 million tonnes of lunar soil would have to be processed. That is equivalent to mining the top 2 metres of a region 10 kms square.

Some scientists believe that in the future it could be worth it. It would only require 25 tonnes of helium-3 to provide all the power that the United States needs in a year.

Energy calculations suggest that the energy gained from Helium-3 mined on the Moon and shipped back to Earth would be 250 times that used to obtain it.

When the first lunar colony is established, perhaps in 20 years time, it is likely to be positioned near the Moon's south pole, near the so-called 'Peak of Eternal Light.' This mountain is in perpetual sunlight so solar panels on its slopes would provide constant energy.

Later colonies may move down onto the older lunar plains and set up strip-mining factories to extract helium-3 as well as hydrogen which can be used as a rocket fuel.

15 posted on 12/08/2002 7:10:52 PM PST by Lokibob
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California Governor Davis is going to submit a bill Monday to run an extension cord from the moon to tap that free power to ease the 100 billion red ink. His frind Gore gave him the idea after he arrived back from China.
16 posted on 12/08/2002 7:11:41 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: Dog Gone
Earth also has lots of untapped power.
21 posted on 12/08/2002 7:20:38 PM PST by aquawrench
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I thought we stopped going to the moon because we found out it was'nt made out of cheese.

I agree with the poster who thinks Daschle is on helium.

Think ANWR.We gotta do it.

Forget the moon.

FREgards...

22 posted on 12/08/2002 7:20:52 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Dog Gone
Aw nuts. I knew I shouldn't a thrown that helium stuff out.
29 posted on 12/08/2002 7:28:34 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: Dog Gone
Bump
31 posted on 12/08/2002 7:39:16 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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Over the 4.5 billion-year life of the solar system

What if the moon is only 6000 years old?
34 posted on 12/08/2002 7:47:32 PM PST by marbren
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Experts estimate that the most accessible layers of the lunar soil are laced with one million tons of helium-3. Though fusion power generation technologies are far from mastered, 40 tons of the material theoretically would supply the current annual electricity needs of the entire nation. Based on current spot crude oil prices, each ton of lunar helium-3 is worth about $5 billion.

So, if the one million tons of helium 3 were distributed evenly throughout the moon's surface in the top millimeter of lunar soil, then 40 tons of helium 3 needed to power the U.S. economy per year would require the processing of ~1516 square kilometers of lunar surface per year. How much is setting up all that engineering going to subtract from the $5 billion per ton? After infrastructure, prospecting, processing, and shipping costs are figured in, how competitive will it be with oil and coal (not to mention present day nuclear energy or breeder reactors)?
38 posted on 12/08/2002 7:53:20 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Dog Gone
I've always wondered why a return trip to the moon was never undertaken.

My only reservation about making one now would be that some multicultural flag or the UN flag would be planted instead of the American flag, while we pay for 99% of the costs.

Reservations aside, if we're going to mine the moon, we might as well take the opportunity to carve "allah sucks" onto the surface. They treasure the moon as part of their cult, so we Americans should do what we can to take a piss on it.

This would show the moslems just how incompetent their desert demon is compared to the "big, bad Americans".

44 posted on 12/08/2002 8:11:27 PM PST by Mulder
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