Arizona militia set to patrol border for illegal aliens

Washington Times ^ | 12/09/02 | Jerry Seper

[kattracks]

A former kindergarten teacher who has organized a 600-strong militia in Arizona will station 50 armed militia members on public land this weekend to "protect their country" against an invasion of illegal aliens, warning federal authorities — including President Bush — not to interfere.

[Travis McGee]

ping

[Free the USA]

fyi

[doug from upland]

This should have happened 10 years ago.

[Texasforever]

10 years ago they would have been "Waco'd" and they knew it and that is why there were no such actions. Their "challenge" to Bush to arrest them smacks of publicity seeking behavior safe in the knowledge that they have nothing to fear.

[Mo1]

Well this should be interesting to see how it turns out

[ApesForEvolution]

Excellent and about time! God bless each of them.

[uscit]

These Americans are true patriots. The politicians who have been ignoring or even encouraging and pandering to the third world immigration invasion are traitors in a time of war and should be treated as such.

[Texasforever]

traitors in a time of war and should be treated as such.

So you are advocating capital punishment?

[c-b 1]

"Armed civilian groups on the border contribute to an already fragile situation, and their rhetoric is very dangerous to the overall security of the region," Mr. Grijalva said.

Lets get the facts straight Mr Grijalva, Your open borders Reqonquista rhetoric, is fanning the flames of an already volitol situation. You are dangerous.

[Texasforever]

That is all well and good but where were these guys 3 years ago? Did this problem just surface on January 20th, 2001 or did they know how they would be received by a Clinton/Reno regime? Much like the Klayman Basin patriots, they kept their heads down until a Republican president was elected and the real personal threat had passed. This "challange to be arrested" smells like week old fish.

[WRhine]

So you are advocating capital punishment?

What does any "healthy" country concerned with its survival do with traitors?

[Texasforever]

What does any "healthy" country concerned with its survival do with traitors?

I am trying to get those of you that throw around the term "traitor" to agree with the punishment prescribed for the crime of treason.

[KAUAIBOUND]

Grijalva is a Socialist who would be happy to see an "Aztlan" nation composed of CA, AZ, NM and part of TX. I would like to see him questioned directly if he supports illegal immigration in a public forum. He is a former Pima County supervisor and blocked every development he could, directly impacting his constituency, which was mostly Hispanic and heavily represented in the construction business. Yet, the brain-dead morons voted for him anyway.

[eldoradude]

Cry havoc! Set loose the dogs of war! Let us lay responsibility now for the inevitable 'atrocities' where it surely lies: at the feet of the whores in D.C. who repeatedly ignore the Constitution they ALL swore to uphold and defend. Hem and haw, distort and misconstrue the facts, shovel it under a rug so they can continue to smoke crack with the mayor and molest the teenage sons and daughters of a dwindling middle class.

May God bless these brave and valiant Americans who stick their necks out and volunteer to try preserve our culture and way of life.

If toting a gun at the border is too much for you, take note of who hires the illegal CRIMINALS in your community - the maids, construction workers, landscape maintainers, etc. Get out the camera and take pictures, lots of them, and post them everywhere as wanted posters. Boycott (very publicly!) any business that utilizes illegal CRIMINALS. Picket their workplaces and homes and try to get them to feel some shame, embarrass them to their neighbors.

[Texasforever]

May God bless these brave and valiant Americans who stick their necks out and volunteer to try preserve our culture and way of life.

LOL. What a joke.

[ppaul]

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Sunday, December 8, 2002

Tombstone militia turnout is small

By Ignacio Ibarra
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

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TOMBSTONE - At least 50 people were expected, but only a handful of would-be-militia volunteers showed up for the first organizational meeting of the fledgling Civil Homeland Defense here yesterday.

The low turnout did not disappoint or deter the group's principal organizer, Tombstone Tumbleweed editor and publisher Chris Simcox, who used the meeting to lambaste the federal government for failing to control what he termed an "invasion" of illegal immigrants entering the U.S. from Mexico through Southern Arizona.

He was particularly critical of members of the Arizona congressional delegation who took a helicopter tour of the border last week, but ignored his request for a meeting.

Simcox said a number of people opted not to attend the meeting because they did not want to expose themselves to ridicule and slander on the part of the media.

He said the organization has 43 core members who have participated in patrol operations, and that about 50 more have provided contact information.

He said the community service organization will operate in a manner consistent with President Bush's ongoing call for citizen volunteers to aid the national defense effort.

* Contact Ignacio Ibarra at (520) 432-2766 or at nacho1@mindspring.com.

 

 

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[DoughtyOne]

The only joke I've seen so far on this thread is you. If you don't agree with what the folks in Arizona are doing, have the ba--s to say so and quit carping on the other posters.

[eldoradude]

Too bad you think so. Ya gotta start somewhere. We can't all be armchair patriots in the safety and comfort of our dens.

[DoughtyOne]

While I don't like the publicity seeking angle on this, I realize that blowing this out in the press is probably the only chance these folks have in the long run, of forcing the government to take action to stop illegal immigration.

If Bush thought he was going to be able to quietly open the borders for all intents and purposes, taking actions in the background that would go unnoticed for the most part, I think we can safely say that idea is a bust! This is going to blow up in his face. And if he hasn't the gutts to do his constitutional duty, it should!

I would recommend these property owners file suite against all individuals and government entitites that are not adhering to the Article Four Section Four of the United States Constitution. I believe governors and federal officials swear to uphold the constitution. They are in violation of those oaths. Property owners have losses. They have legal standing to bring federal suit against all who fail to follow their oaths of office.

[eldoradude]

Good suggestion, I agree. Lawsuits seem to work pretty well for the envirowhackos.

Bring on the public hearings. The American public isn't nearly as ignorant and stupid as a lot of politicians and media folks like to think. If this issue gets a little more visibility our 'leaders' may have to take some action to keep their jobs.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the comments. I'm quite sick of the current situation.

[BJungNan]

Their "challenge" to Bush to arrest them smacks of publicity seeking behavior safe in the knowledge that they have nothing to fear.

I don't read it that way. I read it as they plan to go ahead with the patrols. Their serious.

I realize this is an opinion board, but do you anything to back up your statement that this is only a publicity stunt, anything that contradicts this groups stated intentions to actually defend the border. You seem to rule out any possibility that they are serious. I thought you might have something to base that on.

[DAnconia55]

Much like the Klayman Basin patriots, they kept their heads down until a Republican president was elected and the real personal threat had passed.

BushBot at high noon, Jeff.

[DAnconia55]

I am trying to get those of you that throw around the term "traitor" to agree with the punishment prescribed for the crime of treason.

Why? So you can turn us in to the Brown Shirt committee?

[DAnconia55]

We can't all be armchair patriots in the safety and comfort of our dens.

Texas isn't a patriot.
He's on the side of the all powerful state. There's a group of them here. Mark their names, and learn who they are.

Check their posts, do a search when you suspect, and you can document it.

[NRA2BFree]

It's really a shame it's had to come to this, but we are in the right. I'm sure NM will be following suit in the near future!

God bless these brave men and women.

[BJungNan]

Did this problem just surface on January 20th, 2001 or did they know how they would be received by a Clinton/Reno regime? Much like the Klayman Basin patriots, they kept their heads down until a Republican president was elected and the real personal threat had passed. This "challange to be arrested" smells like week old fish.

Events unfold far less dictated by who is in office as you suggest than as concerns over them come to a head. A little research into your own questions will lead you to conclusions a bit more substanitive than your easy explanations of week old fish.

[Brad C.]

"Armed civilian groups on the border contribute to an already fragile situation, and their rhetoric is very dangerous to the overall security of the region," Mr. Grijalva said. "We have a failed border policy, but the intrusion of armed militias certainly adds to the potential for violence.

So here is a thought Mr. Grijalva, get together with your other governemnt friends and station the Arizona National Guard down on the border to stop the illegals and reduce the need of the citizenry to take these kinds of actions. If you were doing your job; working for the good of the Grand State of Arizona, your constituents wouldn't have to do it for you!

[DoughtyOne]

I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that if states called out their national guard, Bush would nationalize them and order them to stand down.

[Brad C.]

I would lose that bet, as I don't think Bush would hesitate to do just that. At which point the State of Arizona would have to position its police force on the border, in order to do what is right by its citizens.

None of this will happen, but it is nice to be able to dream. I know I would be a member of this militia group if I lived in Arizona.

[wcbtinman]

"...they kept their heads down until a Republican president was elected and the real personal threat had passed."

You have always been some kind of smarta$$, but this is over the top even for you.

Until you go and stand an armed watch on the border fo this country, you can shove your criticism of these patriots where the sun don't shine.

I've been there, seen the travesty that has been created by the open border situation, and I've stood watch on the border. You wouldn't make a pimple on any one of these guy arses.

[doosee]

I know I would be a member of this militia group if I lived in Arizona.

The media has taken the word militia and demonized it to equate to Nazis, KKK, and OBL rolled into one. They should insist that they be called one big neighborhood crime watch, the do gooders in liberal bastions like that term.

[DoughtyOne]

You wouldn't make a pimple on any one of these guy arses.

Now that's where you and I differ.  I've watched this idiot for some time.  I think that's about all he's qualified to make.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Brad. I understand. Take care.

[snippy_about_it]

bump for later read.

[CDHart]

"This should have happened 10 years ago."

We tried ten years ago and Clinton and Morris Dees blew us out of the water.

Carolyn

[Imal]

If the past is any guide, the feds will deploy many more agents to investigate, harrass and arrest these militiamen than it will to guard the border in that area.

[snopercod]

Article 16, Section 1, Arizona Constitution

The militia of the State of Arizona shall consist of all capable citizens of the state [between the ages of eighteen and forty-five years], and of those [between said ages] who shall have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing therein, subject to such exemptions as now exist, or as may hereafter be created, by the laws of the United States or of this state."

So why doesn't the governor of Arizona make this effort official by calling up their militia?

Arizona Militia Website

[rintense]

I dare the president of the United States to arrest Americans who are protecting their own country

I love it! I dare the President to take this dare.

[RippleFire]

BUMP

[William Terrell]

Ok, pookie, what do you advocate to remedy the lax border situation?

[Sparta]

"A former kindergarten teacher who has organized a 600-strong militia in Arizona will station 50 armed militia members on public land this weekend to "protect their country" against an invasion of illegal aliens, warning federal authorities — including President Bush — not to interfere."

Paging Lon Horiuchi. Some more opportunites to demonstate your expertise in firearms and law enforcement and a chance to eliminate some more enemies of the Republic.(sarcasm)

[4Freedom]

"I love it! I dare the President to take this dare."

And I dare the President to take your dare to take Simcox's dare. ;^)

[hattend]

Currently reading Michelle Malkin's book and she describes the ineptitude of INS and shortage of patrols along the border.

This border protection by militia is way overdue. I would hope the rest of the border states take notice.

If I lived on a border, north or south, I would volunteer.

[rintense]

Oooh! How about the infamous triple dog dare...

Seriously, I can't wait to see how the Bush admin reacts to this. Maybe they'll finally wake up.

[4Freedom]

"Ohhh! How about the infamous triple dog dare..."

Awww, you spoiled it. We could have gone back and forth 10 times before we got to the triple dog dare.

"Seriously, I can't wait to see how the Bush admin reacts to this. Maybe they'll finally wake up."

Nothing like a cold, hard slap right upside their RINO snouts to get their attention is there? ;^)

[FITZ]

This "challange to be arrested" smells like week old fish.

They are American citizens who have the Constitutional right to do what they're doing. There is a foreign government requesting they be arrested so it will be interesting to see what side Bush comes down on. The Mexican government is demanding the FBI take action against these Americans ---they want them arrested and the Mexicans allowed to break any law ---including trespassing and squatting on Americans' private property.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

That is all well and good but where were these guys 3 years ago?

The same place conservatives like you were in '94 when the sink emperor was re-elected, with your head up your ass.

/sarcasm

[upchuck]

Grijalva: "It's time Congress became involved and conduct hearings on a full range of critical border issues, including the militias, immigration reform and overall border policy," he said. "With the issue of vigilantism, the potential for that becoming something very ugly certainly exists."

The Arizona Legislature is expected to take up the matter when it returns for business in January, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights also has asked the Justice Department to investigate suspected "vigilante" activities in Arizona.

This is frigging unbelievable! We don't need hearings, Commissions or investigations. All we need are a few public officials with the cojones to enforce existing immigration laws. Why do ya think they're call "ILLEGAL" immigrants? Because they're here illegally. Thus, they're criminals who should, at minimum, be arrested and, hopefully, deported.

My hat's off to Mr. Simcox. If I lived anywhere near AZ I'd be standing, PROUDLY, by his side.

Right now criminal immigration is, IHMO, the most important national problem right after the War on Terror. Stopping criminal immigration is more important than the economic problems as it contributes to the economic problems.

Given the enormous problems to solved in merging the 22 departments to make up the new Homeland Security Department, I sincerely hope the bureaucrats in DC aren't saying, "Well, we'll tackle illegal immigration, but let's wait until after the merger."

With that attitude it will be years (I've read as amny as 10) before anything happens. At the current rate of criminal immigration, by then there won't be much left to defend.