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Gays: Liberals are at it Again
IntellectualConservative.com ^ | December 12, 2002 | J. Grant Swank, Pastor

Posted on 12/13/2002, 2:59:09 PM by az4vlad

The Episcopalians are wrong when they claim there is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

It doesn’t take much to get those pro-gay Episcopalians into one grand snit. And now they are up in arms big time. They are really getting quite evangelistic about the matter—poking their pulpits, ranting and raving, just about to hit the campmeeting sawdust trail.

Why?

Because the Catholic Church is making a significant deal about gays in the priesthood, coming down on the logical side that gays in the pulpit can cause sexual abuse and therefore a heterosexual priesthood would be healthier.

Now the liturgical boys and girls in the Catholic and Episcopalian communities have usually buddied up alongside one another because of one aesthetic religious bent or another; but in this rare separation of the ways there is plenty of heat with little light.

That’s what happens when people get bent out of shape over gay agendas that don’t make any sense; in other words, when they go bonkers over being politically correct at all costs. And if there is ever any orthodox ground that is holding sway within liberal Episcopalianism today it is being politically correct. It has become the latest "hold your afternoon tea cup with pinky in the air" correctness. Of course, it is nauseating to those who drink their tea out of mugs and can think straight with brain cells in the reasonable line-up; but for those into dainties, it can really spoil the entire day.

M. Thomas Shaw, bishop of Massachusetts, has set the pace with his broadcast to church and media on December 9. In an interview, his suffragan, or assistant bishop, Roy F. Cederhom, Jr., and a bishop- elect, Gayle Elizabeth Harris, stated that they think the danger to homosexuals is so immense that they are obligated to voice their opinions even if taking the chance of plowing into another denominational controversy. They say they are concerned about hate crimes against gays.

They are out of joint because of Vatican cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez’ statement that "a homosexual person. . .is not suitable to receive the sacrament of holy orders."

Like, dah! is the reaction of the sane world. But these Episcopal niceties can’t get with the logical program and so come out in favor of blessing the homosexual lifestyle while endorsing the possibility of Episcopalian homosexual priests for that is what their homosexual audience behind the scenes has been clamoring for for months on end.

So—rather than being true to Scripture and logic—these so-called spiritual leaders go forth with the banners of nonsensical and unbiblical moorings for that is where their heads are lodged these days.

''I'm really concerned about hate crimes and homophobia that comes from supposedly responsible people making statements like this,'' Shaw said in response to Estevez’ statement.

''Suggestions that gays molest children lead to homophobia and create a dangerous atmosphere in which hate crimes flourish,'' Shaw and Cederholm wrote. ''They are irresponsible.''

Yep. That’s what the politically correct homosexual audience has been spouting for months upon months, disregarding the visceral conclusion among the sane population that all that is bunk.

''We have long said that this focus on gay priests as a cause for the sexual abuse scandal is nothing more than a smokescreen to deflect attention away from the complicity of the hierarchy in creating this scandal,'' said Marianne Duddy, executive director of Dignity USA, a stated Catholic homosexual conclave. ''I applaud the Episcopal bishops for speaking out on a matter of justice that is important to the vital ministry of any Christian Church.''

However, Dean Hudson, Crisis magazine editor, a traditional Catholic journal, said ''There is credible research that suggests the homosexuals are three times more likely to be pedophiles than the general population. And given that organizations like NAMBLA have openly advocated sex with boys, the lines between homosexuality and pedophilia are not as clean cut as the bishops would like to make them.''

So there we have it, friends. Make up your minds. Go with the afternoon tea drinkers with their pinkies in the air and their heads out on Mars or stay firmly grounded on the logic terra firma called biblical truth alongside what really make practical sense in this complicated world of ours.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: episcopalian; gays; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; pedophilia; priests

1 posted on 12/13/2002, 2:59:09 PM by az4vlad
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To: az4vlad
OTOH, the Episcopalians call the cops on abusive clergy; they don't shift them around and try to hide them behind canon law.
2 posted on 12/13/2002, 3:35:01 PM by RonF
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To: az4vlad
We've gone straight around the bend on this politically correct stuff. But what is worse is that some people now cave into the fatally-sensitive at the suggestion of an improper thought!
Being from Boston and a Catholic, I am happy to see Cardinal Law resign from office. He enabled so many of these child abusers to continue to prey upon (8 times out of ten) young boys. Well, now the Church in this diocese is facing bankruptcy. That is a shame but it is far better that at the end of this process we will have religious orders and church that are closer to bedrock Catholic principles.
3 posted on 12/13/2002, 3:37:21 PM by thegreatbeast
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4 posted on 12/13/2002, 3:47:17 PM by scripter
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To: az4vlad
I've been hesitant to ask this question, as I do not have the flame-retardant long-johns on...

leaving pedophilia out of this for now.. I thought Roman Catholic Priests took a vow to be celibate. Regardless of being homo/hetero sexual...... shouldn't priests be adiosed by the Church when they break their vows ?
5 posted on 12/13/2002, 3:56:34 PM by stylin19a
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To: thegreatbeast
Ironic that our secular legal system is forcing a great institution to return to its teachings.
6 posted on 12/13/2002, 4:13:08 PM by bribriagain
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To: thegreatbeast
That is a shame but it is far better that at the end of this process we will have religious orders and church that are closer to bedrock Catholic principles.

Like forgiveness.
7 posted on 12/13/2002, 4:38:01 PM by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: az4vlad
Grant Swank is lying in this flame. Preachers of all faiths should never lie.

He cites some bishops who will be gone a year or so if they condone what they are saying. If they are caught doing a Cardinal Law with a homosexual predator priest, they will be on the streets themselves looking help and employment.

Any priest even suspected of being a sexual predator in our area is immediately relieved of duties. If he/she/it is guilty, they will not be transferred. Our bishop will help the police to remove this cancer from society and see that he/she gets appropriate jail time.

In closing, there are probably as many sexual predators in Swanks's religion as the Episcopalian religion. Sexual predators are both homosexual and heterosexual. Swank had better be really careful here as his words might just come back on him and his buddies.
8 posted on 12/13/2002, 4:59:25 PM by Grampa Dave
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
We'll forgive after the cancer has been removed from the body.
I live in Boston and at noon ALL the local stations went LIVE to a press conference given by lawyers of the victim. LAWYERS OF THE VICTIMS!
This is a terrible, awful thing that has been perpetrated by the individuals that make up the management of the archdiocese, never mind the actual predators of childhood innocence. Their mismanagement and maladministration entail criminal acts. But we mustn't forget that this scandal is driven by lawyers interested in mind-numbing contingency fees.
9 posted on 12/13/2002, 5:28:04 PM by thegreatbeast
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To: stylin19a
Regardless of being homo/hetero sexual...... shouldn't priests be adiosed by the Church when they break their vows ?

This is true. The problem is that people infected with Same-sex Attraction Disorder (SAD) have an even harder time remaining celibate than healthy people do. SAD demands attention and many partners. That's yet another reason why SADs should never be priests (or be allowed around children), they can't keep the vows.

Remember:
To the heterosexual sex is what they do
To the SAD sex is what they are

God Save America (Please)

10 posted on 12/13/2002, 6:36:57 PM by John O
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To: az4vlad
It doesn’t take much to get those pro-gay Episcopalians into one grand snit. And now they are up in arms big time. They are really getting quite evangelistic about the matter—poking their pulpits, ranting and raving, just about to hit the campmeeting sawdust trail.

Which is why it's a shrinking church. My prediction - when the Catholic Church bans homosexual priests, there will be an even greater flow of Episcopalians into the Catholic Church than there is now.

11 posted on 12/13/2002, 10:10:26 PM by yendu bwam
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To: az4vlad
However, Dean Hudson, Crisis magazine editor, a traditional Catholic journal, said ''There is credible research that suggests the homosexuals are three times more likely to be pedophiles than the general population. And given that organizations like NAMBLA have openly advocated sex with boys, the lines between homosexuality and pedophilia are not as clean cut as the bishops would like to make them.''

The Catholic Church in America (and quite a few other countries) is credible research ITSELF. A minority of priests, homosexuals, are responsible for 90% or more of the sexual abuse cases - almost all against teenage boys. It's quite obvious that homosexual priests are far, far more likely to molest teenage boys than normal priests teenage girls. The Catholic Church will come down on the side of protecting teenage boys and their families (I hope and pray.). The Episcopal Church will be leaving families behind.

12 posted on 12/13/2002, 10:14:12 PM by yendu bwam
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To: stylin19a
I thought Roman Catholic Priests took a vow to be celibate. Regardless of being homo/hetero sexual...... shouldn't priests be adiosed by the Church when they break their vows ?

In general yes. Saint Francis of Assisi axed anyone from his order who couldn't stay celibate. But the truth is, there has been rampant homosexual behavior occurring among priests in the Catholic Church for a long time - and nothing, but nothing has happened. Then the rampant homosexual activity overflowed to engulf thousands of teenage boys. It's bad, bad, bad stuff. It's an abomination.

13 posted on 12/13/2002, 10:16:54 PM by yendu bwam
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To: John O
The problem is that people infected with Same-sex Attraction Disorder (SAD) have an even harder time remaining celibate than healthy people do.

This is true in general, but particularly so in an all-male priesthood. Imagine normal men, surround by willing and able females. That's what it's like for homosexual priests - and a strong reason why we shouldn't have homosexual priests.

14 posted on 12/13/2002, 10:18:40 PM by yendu bwam
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