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The [Warfare] Paradigm Shift [It has occured]
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Posted on 12/13/2002 1:41:00 PM PST by VaBthang4
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12/13/2002 1:41:01 PM PST
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VaBthang4
To: MP5SD; Gunrunner2; MudPuppy; tomcat; Gritty; opbuzz; spetznaz; PsyOp; Marine Inspector; XBob; ...
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posted on
12/13/2002 1:44:18 PM PST
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VaBthang4
To: VaBthang4
bump for later reading
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posted on
12/13/2002 1:47:17 PM PST
by
lelio
To: VaBthang4
another bump for later reading.
To: VaBthang4
Redundancy,(backup systems) and low-tech alternatives.
Finally, trained operatives.
They must know mission goals and have initiative to complete them on their own. ( A major weak point of the old Soviet military. )
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posted on
12/13/2002 2:05:49 PM PST
by
Drammach
To: VaBthang4; Travis McGee; harpseal; Squantos
Good article. However, this part:
In the blink of an eye, a nation can go from squashing an idiot like Saddam Hussein`s massive army to internal problems where national police elements must train on weapons of war to deal with its own citizens, e.g. a nutcase like David Koresh.
I found extremely annoying. Koresh may have been a bit of a nutcase, but he did nothing to deserve the s&*#storm that fell on his head. The Feds created that situation by not just arresting him on one of his routine trips to town. Instead, the ATF created a fiasco, because they wanted a telegenic "dynamic takedown" at budget time, which went bad, then Reno and the Feebs compounded the error.
To: VaBthang4; lavaroise; Orion78; Jeff Head; swarthyguy
We still cannot handle a 2 MRC let alone any thing really major like facing another great power such as Russia (or worse yet a reconsituted USSR) or the PRC. We have no civil defense and no strategy to fight and win a nuclear war. Our pathetic warm over of the UK's "10 year rule" which led to WW-II will bring on WW-III. History has not ended and great wars will happen again and again until the end of time.
To: VaBthang4; SAMWolf
Good article. Thanks for the ping.
Sam - did you see this already?
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posted on
12/13/2002 3:06:29 PM PST
by
Jen
To: AntiJen
Thanks for the ping.
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posted on
12/13/2002 3:09:41 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
To: FreedomPoster
I found extremely annoying. Koresh may have been a bit of a nutcase, but he did nothing to deserve the s&*#storm that fell on his head. The Feds created that situation by not just arresting him on one of his routine trips to town. Instead, the ATF created a fiasco, because they wanted a telegenic "dynamic takedown" at budget time, which went bad, then Reno and the Feebs compounded the error. Koresh's fate was sealed when ATF agents got killed in the initial fiasco. If he were allowed to peacefully surrender, there was a good chance that a Taxas jury would have acquitted them for acting in self-defense against an illegal attack, followed by a civil suit against the feds. That precedent could not be allowed.
To: leadpenny
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To: SauronOfMordor
"That precedent could not be allowed." I always thought Waco became nothing more than a cover up of giant fed bungling. But you may be right. There may have been a much larger government motivation at stake than just being exposed of their incompetence. Perhaps as you suggest, government power and control was at stake.
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12/13/2002 4:22:15 PM PST
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Bob Mc
To: FreedomPoster
Agree 100%. So many times they could have taken that guy down peacefully. I do not give one rats ass how evil or mean or sick those adults were or weren't in that compound but those children DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE at the hands of such an application of excessive force.
BatFags/FiBi's and alphabet agencies were indeed fishing for funds and it backfired on innocence IMO.
Stay Safe, Stay Armed and Stay Honest !
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posted on
12/13/2002 6:40:52 PM PST
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Squantos
To: SauronOfMordor
That precedent could not be allowed. I think you are entirely correct. How very depressing.....
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posted on
12/13/2002 6:47:24 PM PST
by
txhurl
To: SauronOfMordor
" there was a good chance that a Taxas jury would have acquitted them for acting in self-defense against an illegal attack, " That's pretty much what happened to the survivors.
They were acquited of murder charges, but convicted on weapons charges. The Jury thought they were letting them off lightly, but the judge sentenced them to 80 years.
L
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posted on
12/13/2002 7:03:52 PM PST
by
Lurker
To: Lurker
The Jury thought they were letting them off lightly, but the judge sentenced them to 80 years. The federal government CANNOT allow its agents to be killed without drastic consequences to the killer, regardless of how justified the circumstances. The federal government CANNOT allow its agents (like Lon Horiuchi) to be prosecuted for "following orders".
To do otherwise would be to risk agents refusing to follow orders if they had doubts of their legality, or to refuse to undertake an operation if they felt the personal risk was too high.
The downside of hiring thugs as your enforcers is that a large percentage of them, while willing to commit atrocities to further their careers, are cowards when it comes to facing personal risk
To: SauronOfMordor
The federal government CANNOT allow its agents (like Lon Horiuchi) to be prosecuted for "following orders". Actually the Feds cannot prevent that. They lost their case where they contended Horuchi could not be tried for murder, but the new district atty in Idaho declined to prosecute.
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12/14/2002 1:06:29 PM PST
by
Hugin
To: VaBthang4
(1) Now we know whence came the idea for "The Dirty Dozen" (2) BLOBT - Buy Lots Of Bandwidth Today (3) Hasta La Vista big Carriers.
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posted on
12/14/2002 1:18:44 PM PST
by
185JHP
To: Hugin
They lost their case where they contended Horuchi could not be tried for murder, but the new district atty in Idaho declined to prosecute. Or was "persuaded" not to prosecute, on pain of losing federal funding/support, or perhaps finding himself a target of a federal probe. Notice that the old prosecutor, who dared to bring the case, LOST his job before the case could be brought to trial.
Can anybody here think of a cse where a federal LEO was successfully put in jail for violating a private citizen's civil rights in the course of doing his job?
To: SauronOfMordor
Can anybody here think of a cse where a federal LEO was successfully put in jail for violating a private citizen's civil rights in the course of doing his job? Rodney King?
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posted on
12/15/2002 1:18:58 AM PST
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Hugin
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