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Lott Looked Back
self | 12/14 | Bray

Posted on 12/14/2002 12:52:58 PM PST by bray

So Senator Trent Lott is a Racist, Sexist, Homophobe? What else is new, he’s a Republican! What did he say? That if the Rat’s most hated man in the Senate made it through his term and Lott said the US would be a better place if he were President in ‘48 coming from the Segregation Party. I suppose according to the Liberals that means that he would enforce all of the DemocRat’s Jim Crow Laws. Let us not forget that the entire south was run by Dems at the time and Strom Thurman was one of their stars. So, Trent was really saying if the South would have stayed the same, basically with the super Democrat Party; the Segregation Party, which is redundant this would have been a better country. Perhaps we might not have had this giant welfare state we have now? Not likely, we would still have the Rats in control of the house and Senate for most of the century. What are the Rats doing for the Blacks now??

If Strom was elected we would have never had Martin Luther King? We would have never had Rosa Parks? We would have never had the movement to give Blacks Civil Rights? How rediculous an argument can you have? The Rats have one thing that they do well and that name calling and the politics of personal destruction. Because a Republican says something that can in any way be construed as racist, he is a racist, sexist, homophobe which of course a Capitol offense.

Who should really be guilty of racism is NAALCP and NOW for the lynching of The Honorable Clarence Thomas for the crime of being Colored Conservative. If he were a white man does anyone think he would have gone through that lynching. No because he was a Blackman who made the Capitol offense of being a Republican. The NAACP has used trumped up charges of making two unsubstantiated statements about porn and pubic hair and has had his public life destroyed over and over and over and over.... The NAALCP claims that he is a racist and has left his affirmative action plantation. If this isn’t racism when Trent Lott is, please explain what racism is other than a political weapon?

Of course we have the Clansman Senator using the term White Blackman which in Jim Crow era was the ultimate putdown. Now the term is White Trash or what he really says is Blacks are trash....nice non-racist statement. Did not hear a peep from the NAALCP or the other racist blacks??

Now is the time to expose the NAACP and Natinonl Old Women for the real political action committees that they are. Their agenda is to take their marching orders from the DNC and use PradABC as their amplifiers. Ask some hard questions about why they will still protest any speeches that Justice Thomas wants to give. How valuable is a decenting voice in the Black community, yet it is censored the same as a Black at a KKK parade? There is only one real reason that they want to censor Justice Thomas and that is because he is the wrong type of Black. How more racist can you get. Kind of makes Lott look black???

Take a look at the name NAAColored People. Colored is a name right out of Jim Crow. Does the NAACP want to go back to Jim Crow and segregating the races?? Are they really a extremust racist organization?? What is worse The Segregation Party or the NAACP? Now like in 1948 instead of blacks only drinking fountains we have colored only or approved speech. When has the NAACP recognized conservative blacks for their accomplishments? By every appearance there is no difference to the division of the Segregation Party and the NAACPs, Jesse Jacksons and the rest of the race baiters. What was worse, Dennis Byrd’s horrific crime or the horrific political ad that was used to divide the races?? One was done by an escaped criminal who met justice and the other by the NAACP that didn’t.

No matter what happens to Trent it is time to expose these racists on both sides of the color spectrum. It will take courage and finesse, but this would be a better country without racists on either side.Not all words that come out of white mouths are black putdowns! I don’t remember who said it and it doesn’t matter, but we need a country that sees people for the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

Pray for W and the Truth


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1 posted on 12/14/2002 12:52:58 PM PST by bray
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To: bray
I agree with you Bray, and I told Tony Snow as much this morning when I emailed him. This is much ado about nothing.

The dems have NO ISSUES so they have tried to hop aboard this freight train - racism - so what else is new.

The dems are afraid they are losing the black vote and this was one way to try to get it back. It won't work - just like all the other rhetoric didn't work.

I told Tony I was sick of hearing about this stuff and it was up to the "fair and balanced" news to put it to rest!!
2 posted on 12/14/2002 1:23:04 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: bray
So Senator Trent Lott is a Racist, Sexist, Homophobe?

Homosexuals can't be homophobes!

3 posted on 12/14/2002 1:24:25 PM PST by Bommer
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To: bray
Here's a couple for you. If Thurmond had been elected, Truman would have never gotten the chance to "allow" the French to return to their colonies in Indo-China - hence, NO VIETNAM WAR.

Is anyone opposed to a timeline with no Vietnam war?

Al Gore is. He said so the other day.

Oh, yes, if Thurmond had been elected, Truman would have never gotten the chance to re-impose the Japanese puppet government on the Korean people. The Nationalists would not have fled North with Kim Il Sung and there would have been NO KOREAN WAR.

Is anyone opposed to a timeline without the Korean War?

Al Gore, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and a host of other mind-numbed knee-jerk Liberals who failed to stay awake in History 101 really do believe that the wicked Truman regime was the best America could do at the time.

Then, too, how about that order Truman signed in 1947 to come up with a "list of subversives" in the Army? If he had not been elected in 1948, nothing would have come of it. There would have been no Army/McCarthy Hearings, no Tailgunner Joe with yet other "lists" of Commies, pinkos and crypto-fascists!

Through the passage of time Liberals could have backed out of their relationship with the Stalinist conspiracy, and might even have been rehabilitated into honest, God-fearing Americans.

All of that would have been possible without Harry Truman in the picture. You could elect a Wallace, a Thurmond, or, lo and behold, Tom Dewey, in 1948 and the world would have been much better in many respects.

4 posted on 12/14/2002 1:36:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bray
The most hated elected official has always been Jesse Helms. Rarely did Thurmond's name come up when it came to vilifying republicans.

For the most part FNC has deliberately misrepresented the entire Trent Lott comments with Brit Hume going so far as to say that Lott said things would have been better if SEGREGATIONIST Strom Thurmond had been elected president. Lott never uttered any such words.....

I have lost all respect for Brit Hume and just about all the rest of the yahoos on FNC.

5 posted on 12/14/2002 1:45:13 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: bray
Sen. Lott put this issue to rest with his press conference yesterday. Once he goes on BET (segregated TV), and blacks see how buddy-buddy Robert Johnson (founder of BET) is with Trent Lott, this will quiet down the civil rights groups. Blacks have a lot of respect for Mr. Johnson, much more than Jesse, Al, and Queasy, the three stooges of civil rights. I think this incident is actually going to strengthen Trent Lott's leadership position. His apology without ANY excuse yesterday was exactly what he needed to do. I have more respect for him now than before all this went down.
6 posted on 12/14/2002 1:58:44 PM PST by Russell Scott
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To: bray
>It will take courage and finesse, but this would be a better country without racists on either side.

I notice that no
Republicans will attack
the pop culture cult

of political
correctness. Republicans
also won't attack

the real racism
built into the "civil rights"
spiel. Republicans

act like guilty fools
rather than proud crusaders.
Our guys should be fierce!

7 posted on 12/14/2002 2:08:04 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Bommer
Come to think of it has he fathered any other vacant lots?
8 posted on 12/14/2002 2:15:08 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: bray
...the Rat’s most hated man in the Senate

This is probably the single biggest mistake in your post.

You haven't noticed that the Dems want Lott to remain as Majority Leader. This is why Daschle initially downplayed Lott's gaffe--and joined the feeding frenzy only when Maxine Waters bullied him into attacking Lott.

Daschle wants the weakest possible Majority Leader. And the only thing weaker than a Trent Lott is a discredited Trent Lott.

9 posted on 12/14/2002 7:20:32 PM PST by the_doc
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To: muawiyah
Excellent points!!
10 posted on 12/15/2002 7:42:42 PM PST by exhaustedmomma
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To: muawiyah
"Truman would have never gotten the chance to re-impose the Japanese puppet government on the Korean people." Huh? Are you saying that Syngman Rhee was a Japanese puppet???
11 posted on 12/17/2002 9:00:13 PM PST by maro
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To: maro
One man's puppet is another man's patriot.

In Korea, though, all is not clear. Initially they were sold out to the Japanese by Teddy Roosevelt (backed by the Progressives, then unaccountably affiliated with the Republicans rather than the Communists).

On and off through the early 1900s up to just before the Great Depression the elements in Korean society who had collaborated with Japanese occupation moved in and out of American society with ease. Sometimes they were in the Koran occupation government and sometimes in opposition to the government. Rhee was in this class of people, but he wore out his welcome and ended up in the US from about 1928/29 to 1945.

His experience from the time of the Japanese occupation until 1945 can be interpreted in a variety of ways. There are many sites on the internet that present nearly every viewpoint possible. One consistent standard is that pushed by the North Koreans to the effect that Rhee had always been an "American puppet" even back in the 1920s! This seemingly strange notion is based on his interaction with the Progressives in that period. It's possible North Korean propagandists never realized that there were 2 different Roosevelts, from different branches of that family, and that they were in 3 different political parties (the Progressives can be considered to be a third, but otherwise unelectible political party with both fascist and communist tendencies).

Rhee was at Princeton University when he was selected to head up the UN Mandate government in South Korea. When he went back to Korea, he moved classical conservative elements into government. These were the few remaining formerly titled nobles, top level collaborators with the Japanese, and so forth. They were just the folks you would expect to see take over if Rhee were actually a Japanese collaborator in his earlier career in Korea (before he went to the US permanently). The people Rhee froze out of the new government fled North. This included most non-communist anti-Japanese political elements.

I opt for the explanation that Rhee was among the class of Koreans who had favored Japanese occupation, and later on favored US occupation, and would probably always favor occupation by a wealthier country with an advanced technology. A similar experience typified the Mongol occupation back in the days of Kublai Khan. At best Rhee has to be judged as a man of highly questionable connections when it comes to the Japanese. At worst, he had beenpart of the Japanese puppet cabal.

The nationalists were wise to jump ship although they were not wise to throw in their lot with Kim Il Sung. One would imagine most of them were disposed of by 1951 during the war.

12 posted on 12/18/2002 5:53:43 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Rhee has a bad reputation, because of corruption. But the charges you level appeared to me extreme, so I checked a standard textbook, A New History of Korea by Ki-baik Lee, translated by Professor Wagner of Harvard. On page 339, it states that Rhee went to Hawaii in 1909, with the purpose of fighting for independence by diplomatic means, shortly after the forced abdication of the King and just before official Japanese announcement that Korea would be a protectorate. The idea that Rhee, for all his shortcomings, was a Japanese puppet is very strange, and must be a minority view among historians. Are you a North Korean agent provocateur?
13 posted on 12/18/2002 8:19:20 PM PST by maro
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To: maro
Hardly!

Rhee was a political animal for a long time - from 1897 when he was jailed for demonstrating against the Yi, right down to a far more recent time. Certainly he was influential if we can talk about what he was up to more than a centurylater.

You have to evaluate Rhee in terms of the factions ruling China (since his "government in exile" was set up in Shanghai - at some point he was removed from that organization as China fell under the Kou Min Tang, originally an affiliate of the Soviet Union). You must also evaluate Rhee in terms of what was going on in Japan since the ruling Meiji faction held power until the 1930s when the militarists with their Nazi connections took over.

The fact that Rhee seems to have little contact with the militarists in the 1930s doesn't get him off the hook when it comes to Meiji factions that had ruled earlier, and it is to them that I am pointing. In fact, they are the folks who took over Korea, and not everyone opposed them. Their destruction of the titled nobility was probably viewed very positively by the peasantry as well as by the educated intelligentsia.

After 1945 Rhee brought into positions of power men who had been cooperative with the pre-militarist Japanese colonial government. (This gives us two different Japanese puppet governments - one which actually had some ambitions to improve the whole region, and a later one which had as its purpose organizing Korea to support Japanese war needs.)

Standard histories written in the US or by Rhee admirers tend to protect Rhee, Roosevelt and the Progressives.

Joseph Sutton (now deceased and formerly President of Indiana University, and earlier an OSS senior analyst) frequently brought up Rhee in his lectures on American Pacific relationships. He was never complimentary. He didn't like Teddy Roosevelt all that much either.

14 posted on 12/19/2002 5:01:45 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The fundamental question is why, if he was pro-Japanese, he went into exile in 1909. Not after the 30s, but in 1909. I think you are confusing (deliberately or not) being pro-Japanese in some fashion and being a Japanese puppet. As you must know, over many centuries the two basic political positions in Korea were pro-China and pro-Japan. Many thoughtful and patriotic Koreans were pro-Japanese in the sense that they thought that an alliance with Japan was the best way to develop. And in fact, before Japan went crazy with militarism, Korea benefited in many ways from the occupation, just as Japan benefited in many ways from the MacArthur occupation. You also refer to the "destruction of the titled nobility" by the Japanese. Did this really happen? The Korean royal family was sent to Japan and became Japanese princes. The old aristocracy pretty much stayed in place. Some of them were given Western-style titles, just as the Japanese created Western-style titles for its aristocracy, in order to co-opt them. The relationship between Japan and Korea is very complex, and is marked by both hostility and enmity and also feelings of brotherhood. The Japanese and Koreans are more closely related to each other ethnically than either group is to any other group in the world. The Japanese and Korean languages are related, and a speaker of one can easily learn the other. (That's why the South Koreans ban Japanese TV.) Hirohito's official policy was that the Japanese people and the Korean people were one race. (Kind of like the Romulans and Vulcans.) But in any case, who cares? Rhee is irrelevant in the present world, when it looks like the forces of communism and their friends have won the S. Korean pres election.
15 posted on 12/19/2002 9:36:59 AM PST by maro
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To: Russell Scott
>>Sen. Lott put this issue to rest with his press conference yesterday. Once he goes on BET (segregated TV), and blacks see how buddy-buddy Robert Johnson (founder of BET) is with Trent Lott, this will quiet down the civil rights groups.

Blacks have a lot of respect for Mr. Johnson, much more than Jesse, Al, and Queasy, the three stooges of civil rights. I think this incident is actually going to strengthen Trent Lott's leadership position. His apology without ANY excuse yesterday was exactly what he needed to do. I have more respect for him now than before all this went down.<<

If you think the BET interview was favorable to Lott, and made him look good in AYBODY'S eyes, we must not have seen the same interview. It was an unmitigated disaster!

Lott came off as just what he is: a self-serving, transparent panderer.

Here, read the transcript of the BET interview once more:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/807740/posts
16 posted on 12/19/2002 9:42:57 AM PST by DC Ripper
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To: maro
The Korean aristocracy was destroyed. The old titles of nobility abolished. In fact, the Japanese "terminated" their own titles of nobility in the 1920s (except for the royals, and those were substantially limited).

Koreans make a great deal out of having an equalitarian society (in terms of hereditary class).

To say the least the Korean people were "divided" when it came to the Japanese occupation, as were the Japanese themselves about Korea.

And no, they are not the same people. 40% of modern Japanese have a tooth type found only among the ancient Jomon and present day Ainu. The Shan Dynasty Chinese who fled Shan at the start of one or the other of our various Dark Ages who ended up in Korea on the South Coast moved on to Japan quite early and never mixed cultures with the later Mongol arrivals to Korea.

The Japanese royal family was recently found to descend from Korean invaders from the 500s.

It gets quite complex from there, but the two nations are more different than they are alike. There have also been many centuries of voluntary immigration into Japan from Korea. Japanese fishermen certainly established small villages on the coast of Korea. Both nations also went through periods of total rejection of the outside world with bouts of what can only be called "ethnic cleansing".

Politically, claims that both nations use cognate languages are considered a legacy of the Japanese militarist's excuses for the conquest of Korea. In reality, there are similarities - mostly in terms of vocabulary, like English and French, but the Polynesian grammatical elements in Japanese have no equivalent in Korean. In time English will supplant both languages, albeit an English without an "L" sound!

Still, you have to remember Mr. Rhee got started in 1897 demonstrating against YI. One doubts that he ever really changed his mind.

17 posted on 12/19/2002 10:49:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; Naked Lunch
Do you mean "destroyed" as in killed or destroyed as in "titles abolished"?

My belief that the 2 peoples are genetically very close is based on DNA analysis by a Stanford professor. I also read somewhere that the Japanese have about 30% of their gene pool that is directly attributable to Korean immigration. The idea that there was a heavy Shan Dynasty influence on either Korea or Japan strikes me as unlikely. The aboriginal peoples were Mongol/Tungusic types, like the Manchus and Mongols. (Look at paintings of the ancient Mongols--they look very Japanese.) Some have speculated that the ancient Koguryo language was very similar to Old Japanese. In fact, vocabulary is just where the 2 languages share less than might be expected. The Japanese vocab has a lot of Polynesian substrate in it, and only 30% of modern Korean is truly native. The 2 are very close grammatically though, and Japanese/Korean grammatical studies is a subfield unto itself, of which my old professor Kuno (also of Harvard) was a pioneer.
18 posted on 12/19/2002 5:08:39 PM PST by maro
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To: maro
The class was destroyed and many individuals were just flat out killed or forced into exile. Still, sometimes you can still run into one of the Yi family. Like the Shogun's people, many Yi cousins ended up in the US.

The Japanese language is simply a creole, as is English, as is Korean. Still, Korean is very clearly in the Uralic-Altaic group. Koreans can learn to communicate with Mongol people in Ulan Bator very quickly, as did the neighbor girl several years back when she founded the first Christian church to ever achieve government official recognition in Mongolia. She's fluent in Mongol and considered a very serious expert in Korean.

Japanese language differences are sufficient that I don't think anybody tries to categorize it as Uralic-Altaic anymore.

The Polynesian substrate is known, but it's reasons for being in Japan are not always obvious - unless, of course, you know lots of folks that look like the ancient Jomon pottery and who develop keloid scars!

Regarding the Shan, when Shan fell so did Mohenjo-Daro, Sumer, Syria, etc. Everything to the East of Egypt "fell" in some sort of natural calamity. Within a century there were Shan settlements on the Korean peninsula. Within another century there were signs that the Shan had made it to Japan. I don't think they planted an enduring civilization in Japan, but FUR SHUR they were there early enough to impress their genes on the original population. (It's probably easier to find the descendants of the Shan that it is to find the descendants of the 5 trade cities that were linked to the Silk Road culture.)

19 posted on 12/19/2002 5:25:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Both Korean and Japanese are polysynthetic, agglutinative languages. Both English and Chinese are isolating, analytic languages. English may have started as a creole, but creolization may be a natural part in the life of any languages. The so-called Ural-Altaic languuage group is not necessarily the only way to group languages. Read Greenberg's magisterial works.
20 posted on 12/19/2002 6:38:26 PM PST by maro
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