Sen. Murray (D)WA Asks Kids "If he's (Bin Ladin) so bad why is he so well liked"

The Columbian ^ | 12/19/02 | Gregg Herrington

[Vitamin A]

Found my small type. In response to goodnesswins (great name, by the way) I agree that teaching how to fish is better than giving fish. That's why I would never just send over a check, or even just food--it isn't lasting in its effect. But imagine if you were living in Afghanistan and your neighborhood school had a plaque inscribed that said "This school is a gift to the people of Afghanistan from the people of the United States of America." A road, a school, a hospital, is something lasting.

[Michael.SF.]

Sometimes women in leadership are an embarrassement to all of us other women in America."

This has nothing to do with her being a woman.

It has everything to do with her being stupid.

Stupidity knows no sex and no color, it comes in all types.

[Vitamin A]

Goodness wins, re reading Eisenhauer's Farewell Address, yes, I did read that part. And nowhere in my comment did I ever once suggest that the military was not necessary to our peace and security. However, did you read the rest of Eisenhauer's address? He suggests going on the type of humanitarian offensive I am suggesting. It's a common sense, fiscally intelligent thing to do. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[Vitamin A]

Goodness wins, re reading Eisenhauer's Farewell Address, yes, I did read that part. And nowhere in my comment did I ever once suggest that the military was not necessary to our peace and security. However, did you read the rest of Eisenhauer's address? He suggests going on the type of humanitarian offensive I am suggesting. It's a common sense, fiscally intelligent thing to do. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," ,

Because those in poverty that follow him believe him when he says that the US is to blame for their lot in life. So they follow him and die for him when he says he is committed to our destruction. Simple formula. It's been followed for years. Hitler used it to great effect.

[Michael.SF.]

"He's (Osama) been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.

Sounds more like she is talking about Jimmah.

Note to CIA: Stake out Afghanistan Home Depot's, he is bound to show up sooner or later.

[goodnesswins]

EXCUSE ME....and yes I am yelling.....because I think you are ignorant of the past......and all of the humanitarian things we have done around the world for 50 years. There are certain people, however, you cannot work with, i.e. work out humanitarian means, and Saddam is one of them. He'll take our money, and build bigger bombs and starve or gas his own people. I do not buy the fact that the children are starving there because of US....they are starving or not getting medical help because of Saddam who has over 8 palaces with gold inlaid walls.....

[dfwgator]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

It's not about foreign aid, they want one thing and one thing only, to destroy Israel.

[Darlin']

"Sen. Murray (D)WA Asks Kids "If he's (Bin Ladin) so bad why is he so well liked"

For the same reason you were elected, Senator Murray, ignorance.

[DannyTN]

You might as well ask:

if suicide bombers are so bad why do Muslims celebrate when they strike?

or If 911 was so bad, why did Muslims dance in the street?

or why don't Christians and Jews just die, so Islam can have peace? (as if Afghanistan didn't disprove Islam would be peaceful in our absence)

or if democracy is so great why did Washington elect Patty Murray?


Some things just don't make sense.

[Wondervixen]

Just makes you wanna start dialing random phone numbers in the (206) area code and yell into the phone, "FIRST, JIM MCDERMOTT AND NOW PATTY MURRAY...WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE WHEN YOU STEP IN A VOTING BOOTH???"

[oyez]

All I can say is: Patty Murray, what a stupid, dumb, ignorant, idiotic liberal moron!

Because she's a Democrat she will get her statue in the Hall of Fame.

[Vitamin A]

Goodnesswins, why don't you limit your responses to rebuttals of arguments I have actually made, rather than yelling about arguments I have never made. I never said the US hasn't already given humanitarian aid. I never said bad people won't misuse aid we give them. I never said people are starving because of us. I only said we should go on a greater humanitarian offensive. In comparison to what we spend on military aid and military spending, our humanitarian aid program is pathetic. I'm not saying it's non-existant, but it's far short of what we could and should be doing. Why is this such a bitter pill to swallow?

[jriemer]

Wanna bet she ran with the, "It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you're popular" crowd back in High School?

[goodnesswins]

REBUTTAL: I disagree with you. There. Is that clear enough? Humanitarianism with Saddam Hussein will NOT work.

[Vitamin A]

Yes, they want to destroy Israel, and the question is why is there such an illogical passion in the Arab street about destroying Israel? Because the Middle East is a collection of oil fields controlled by a handful of incestuous dynastic rulers who horde their nations' wealth and leave the majority of their countrymen illiterate and impoverished. So these Middle Eastern dicatators use Israel as a scapegoat, and encourage hatred against Israel because it takes their peoples' attention off of the real problem: the dictators don't give a damn about their own people. So any humanitarian solution would have to involve intense diplomatic pressure on the Middle Eastern dictators to address their peoples' problems, and assist them in doing so. Israel will continue to be scapegoated for the discontent in the Middle East until the root of that discontent is addressed. I think one of the most effective ways to address that discontent is to help eliminate the tremendous wealth gap between the dynastic rulers and their illerate, impoverished subjects.

[goodnesswins]

As for the bitter pill and why it is hard to swallow? BECAUSE THE PILL WON'T WORK, that's why. You're getting me on a BAD day. I'm not usually so bellicose, but I'm sick of people wanting to sing kumbuya with the enemy. Have a nice day. I'm going to go and make Christmas cookies.

[Vitamin A]

Again, goodnesswins, stop responding to arguments I've never made. I never once said we should seek a humanitarian solution to Saddam. To the contrary, I specifically said I supported the present military action because it's too late for anything else. What I am talking about is taking action now to avoid future occurrences that are caused, in significant part, by the fact that the average boy born in the Middle East doesn't have a damn thing to hope for in life, because education is pathetic, health care is pathetic, the economy is pathetic, and so on. Those types of desperate conditions allow rabid fundamentalism to take root with the ignorant and poor. Waging war against ignorance and poverty can greatly reduce the appeal of fundamentalism. Fundamentalism is not an enjoyable way of life. I think many of these boys only take hold of it because they are ignorant and feel no purpose in their lives.

[Vitamin A]

Your "singing kumbaya" remark is a gross and intentional mischaracterization of my arguments. But if advocating acts of kindness and goodwill to mankind are "singing kumbaya" then I guess I am guilty. By the way, what song is it that you sing, which seems to be so opposed to going on a humanitarian offensive to help reduce problems before they start, and instead prefer to allow problems to fester and spiral out of control, and then respond when they spiral out of control by spending billions of dollars and gallons of your nation's young men's blood on a "solution"? What's the name of that song?

[DannyTN]

Any time they want to let our church related organizations into their country to provide humanitarian aid, I'm for it.