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I Would Have Voted For Strom in '48
David Yeagley

Posted on 12/22/2002 1:01:33 PM PST by Bad Eagle

By David Yeagley

As an Indian, I believe in segregation. Segregation helps a people preserve themselves and their culture. Modern America should take a lesson from Indians.

Problems in any national culture start with uncontrolled immigration. In the case of white America, it was actually the mass Negro imports that comprised the first such immigration. That led finally to forced integration, and integration results in intermarriage.

When your people are few, like Indians, intermarriage leads to racial annihilation.

But blacks don't have to worry about that, nor do Mexicans (Hispanics), Orientals (Asians), or Arabic people. These are the largest racial/cultural groups in the world.

American black leaders want integration because they see equality as economic parity and sexual acceptance. They don't see either except through racial integration. The fact that the U.S. Supreme Court had to pass laws to insure integration only demonstrates emphatically that most white people didn't want it, and apparently still don't.

After all, white people globally and historically (especially in parts of the Antebellum South) have always been a minority. Segregation was their natural defense, or their instinct for self-preservation, despite the fact that they brought the Negroes here.

But in America's 19th century 'adolescent' period, the government lost this global perspective of race, and made idealistic decisions based on political theory which it applied within America's own borders. Leaders believed everyone living within America's borders must be equal, economically. America has never really matured beyond this political solipsism.

When Indians became vastly outnumbered by whites however, we were subjugated as a minority race, and truly segregated--by land. We were put on "reservations."

Well, Indians were separate nations from America. Indians didn't seek "equality" within the American system. Though Americans dominated our land, we wanted no part of their society.

The white man did not at first try to make economic use of us. He just wanted us out of the way. Reservations kept the warring Indians together, away from white people. We were promised sustenance, forever, so long as we stayed there, and stopped killing white people.

As a result, we Indians still have our cultures, languages, and religions. Much has eroded, but the core is still there.

Now white men see vast economic opportunity on Indian reservations. This will bring forced integration, and that will destroy us. The critical issue of "Who Is Indian?" already demonstrates the need to preserve our race. Today there is so much at stake in being Indian, one really has to "prove" he's Indian. And Indians are the only "ethnic group" whose members must prove their claim.

Indian culture itself can be mimicked by non-Indians. Theoretical "wannabe's" abound, for obviously economic reasons. The casino industry, for instance, is doing terrible harm to Indians, and it deeply insults our dignity of being. Our race is a marketable fantasy.

But a culture without a race is like a country club with open membership. Soon, everyone joins. There's only an economic prerequisite. If you benefit the club, you're in. If not, you're out. The "casino cultures" will eventually destroy the Indian race.

Is the American culture also without a race?

Those who formed the American colonies, and later created the American government, were White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. In the beginning there was a race, a religion, and a land, (albeit with developing borders). The essential elements of a nation were all there. Never in history did a "nation" exist otherwise.

Today, America has become an ambiguous society. The WASP Weltanshauung still lingers as a cultural drone. However, Americans must today question whether a nation can long exist without definition of race, religion, and land.

National identity itself, at some basic level, requires some kind of segregation.

Otherwise, who's country is it? Is America up for grabs?

As an Indian, I hope not. When I look on America's cultural malaise I can only remind America of its WASP roots. These white people are the ones that fought Indians. I feel a strange, abiding connection to the white man.

I'm not concerned about the other races, cultures, or religions. I would have fought them too, and would have wanted to remain segregated. Yet they couldn't have defeated me, so I feel no special respect for them.

But I'm concerned now that the American roots are dying. Strom Thurmond's historical sentiments on segregation could have been implemented differently, and might have been better for everyone.


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To: ArneFufkin
And an excellent rant too.
121 posted on 12/23/2002 5:46:12 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: jeremiah
Thank you kind Sir.
123 posted on 12/23/2002 5:54:58 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Thanks - I like his stuff.
124 posted on 12/23/2002 8:14:01 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Johnny Shear
In 1000 years, the entire world will all be the same race. What's your point?

Interesting assertion.
Why didn't it happen in the last 1000 years?

125 posted on 12/23/2002 8:52:22 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Interesting assertion. Why didn't it happen in the last 1000 years?

Because Henry Ford and the Wright Brothers weren't around 1000 years ago.

126 posted on 12/23/2002 9:51:16 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Abundy
You said in part about segregation: "The answer, IMHO, lies in a limited Federal Government, State's-rights oriented interpretation of what the Founder's intended [each State decides on the solution, without interference from the others -..." and went on to clarify the statement.

The contention that the states have rights that are without interference from others was one of the arguments used to justify the perceived constitutionality of slavery. That is, if this state decides to have slavery, no one, not even the federal government has the right to interfere.

There's no accusation of anything here. I simply point out the similarities between the arguments.

127 posted on 12/23/2002 10:43:28 PM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman
The contention that the states have rights that are without interference from others was one of the arguments used to justify the perceived constitutionality of slavery. That is, if this state decides to have slavery, no one, not even the federal government has the right to interfere.

That may well be a way it was "justified" but I stand by my posts. To eliminate a class of citizens from Constitutional Protection (State or Federal) requires that they not be "human."

Had a State written it's consitution to eliminate non-whites from the equation there might even be some support for that argument. (I'm not aware if the southern state's constitutions did this)

However, the marketplace would have destroyed that scheme without any violence - eventually.

Regardless, do you believe that the Federal Government can/should tell you who you must associate with? must sell your home to? rent a room in your house to? allow into a private club?

128 posted on 12/24/2002 5:30:11 AM PST by Abundy
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To: Abundy
Had a State written it's consitution to eliminate non-whites from the equation there might even be some support for that argument. (I'm not aware if the southern state's constitutions did this)

It basically becomes immaterial, because under the 14th Amendment no state can deprive citizens of equal protection under the law. There are basically two issues here - forced segregation and subsequent forced integration (such as busing). Both are constitutional violations, but in 1948 the issue was forced segregation, where states deprived blacks of many of their fundamental constitutional rights - so under the 14th, the feds were constitutionally justified in taking action to end Jim Crow. Unfortunately, the feds didn't stop there (they never do).

The lesson? The states should have cleaned up their act on their own, as it gave the feds justification to expand into this area.

129 posted on 12/24/2002 7:13:50 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Abundy
"Regardless, do you believe that the Federal Government can/should tell you who you must associate with? must sell your home to? rent a room in your house to? allow into a private club?"

Of course not, any more than I'd want the federal govt in someone's bedroom, advocating any religion or mandating what is moral.

130 posted on 12/24/2002 7:19:37 AM PST by DaGman
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To: MissAmericanPie
I do believe in segregation according to culture and I really think that is what the bottom line is about, not something as silly as skin color

What's interesting is how the world is changing culturally. An executive living in a gated community in the Kansas City suburbs has far more in common with an executive in Singapore than with Americans living ten miles away in lower-middle class neighborhoods. That stratification is in some ways just as much of a determinant of the direction this country is taking as illegal immigration. In the past, business leaders felt a duty to be part of the greater community. Now, they only owe allegience to shareholders and are content to live and move within a protected sphere where they are not impacted by the greater issues of society - and that makes it easy for them to favor illegal immigration, because it gives them cheap labor but they do not have to deal with the impact.

So mix the changes at the top and the bottom and you have a very volatile process.

131 posted on 12/24/2002 7:46:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: DaGman; dirtboy
Agreed to both of your posts.

I'd like to wish you both, and the forum, a heartfelt "Merry Christmas"

Before that's outlawed as hate speech too...

132 posted on 12/24/2002 9:38:23 AM PST by Abundy
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To: everyone
Segregation simply means separation. It is practiced all the time, in a thousand different ways. It's like discrimination. We all do it, all the time. It's called natural preference; it's called individual personality.

I do like certain foods, music, literature, behavioral values (culture?) I dislike others. This makes me a segregationalist, discriminatory, bigoted, prejudiced son of a pup. Right? Of course not. Not necessarily, anyway.

Don't you see, this is all caused by the usurpation of words. This whole 131-post discussion is due to the fact that words have been tripped. And it is historically related to racial issues in this country.

Black people have had every right to make every effort to improve their lives. Everyone has that privilege in America. But what has been the price? The integrity of words. Our language. We have no sure language anymore.

The desperate emotionalism associated with black activists, and other minority leaders, has destroyed the English language. Words like segregation, discrimination, and especially equality, are now directly connotated to mean very little. Their scope of meaning is limited to black racial definitions.

I don't know about you all, but I resent having my words robbed right from out of my own mouth.

Also, let me explain what I meant by Christian quick-fix, regarding intermarriage. My experience as a social worker in Connecticut showed me that many young white girls, who have been abused sexually, often hook up later with a black man. This is interpreted, by university sophists and media gurus, as some moral achievement, some transcendent unity of the human spirit. This is the triumph of Christian equality, interracial marriage, especially black and white.

I think this is wholly superficial, and an abuse of words.
That's what I meant, and that's what I resent. People are free to marry whomever, for whatever reasons. But I'm also free to interpret it my way. I will not be told how it must be interpreted.

Finally, I think humility is a factor here in arriving at the truth. No one likes to be considered a mistake, or a mistake maker. But that doesn't mean it isn't so. Only a true warrior of the heart is brave enough to admit the truth about himself, in any context.

I'm not saying that any of us can really know. The Lord is judge, I believe. But, my experience shows me that most of us really have a hard time admitting the truth.
133 posted on 12/24/2002 9:49:10 AM PST by Bad Eagle
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To: Abundy
I'd like to wish you both, and the forum, a heartfelt "Merry Christmas"

Before that's outlawed as hate speech too...

You've got a Lott of nerve, buster, trying to make this holiday Christian /sarcasm.

Seriously, have a great Christmas, and enjoy the snow coming your way. I figure I'm gonna get a foot or so where I live...

134 posted on 12/24/2002 9:54:18 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
"An executive living in a gated community in the Kansas City suburbs has far more in common with an executive in Singapore than with Americans living ten miles away in lower-middle class neighborhoods.

That is terribly true.

136 posted on 12/24/2002 1:43:30 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: dirtboy
Skin color is a simple adaptation to latitude.

That is VERY interesting, I wonder how generations of Eskimos in the arctic have such dark skin, maybe it is the tanning booths each night. Although I never saw any waiting lines or matter of fact I did not see any tanning booths during my time up on the north slope. LOL, go figure, get something else. God made them that way and man will in his "WISDOM" will try to change something a "ALL-WISE God" has degreed, to be so.

137 posted on 12/26/2002 1:07:48 PM PST by Phyto Chems
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To: Phyto Chems
That is VERY interesting, I wonder how generations of Eskimos in the arctic have such dark skin, maybe it is the tanning booths each night.

Nice try, but no stogie. Native Americans have not lived that long in their respective latitudes, although the ones closer to the equator are quite a bit darker than ones further north or south. But if you look at people around the world and trace them back to their ancestral lands, there is a good general correlation between skin color and latitude. People from the tropics are darker, people at higher latitudes are more fair-skinned.

138 posted on 12/26/2002 1:12:36 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: strongbow
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139 posted on 12/26/2002 2:50:59 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Bad Eagle
I was hoping you would reply to my questions I asked in post 81.

I'm talking about dramatic racial intermarriages, not between say, a German and a Czech. I mean a Negro and a Korean, or even a White and an Indian.

What criterion gets used to determine which racial intermarriages are "dramatic" enough to not take place? Is it anything beyond the color of one's skin?

Marry whom you will, but not in the name of Christ. Man continually tries to bring together that which God has separated, and man continually tries to separate what God hath joined together.

Well there are already millions of children alive now that have resulted from couples of mixed race. Who should they be allowed to procreate with? What would you have them do so that they can act "in the name of Christ?"


Also, I have this question from your last post:

No one likes to be considered a mistake, or a mistake maker. But that doesn't mean it isn't so. Only a true warrior of the heart is brave enough to admit the truth about himself, in any context.

Is it your opinion that all people who aren't one race are mistakes? What should a true "warrior of the heart" who happens to be of mixed race do with this information?
140 posted on 12/29/2002 9:51:36 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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