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Feds lose a round in Hage LAND GRAB case
The Elko Daily - {Northern Nevada} ^ | 12/23/2002 | By JEFFRY MULLINS, Free Press Editor

Posted on 12/23/2002 6:02:32 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park

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Hage, now in his mid-60s, has spent more than $1.5 million on the lawsuit. But the value of what he believes has been taken from him is much higher.

All, So, does "loser pay"?? They should! Wayne's case shows that money being available, to fight in court the land and water theft by godgov, PERSISTENCE PAYS! Peace and love, George.
1 posted on 12/23/2002 6:02:32 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: madfly; sauropod; editor-surveyor; AuntB
Guys, Can you bump this far and wide?? Peace and love, George.
2 posted on 12/23/2002 6:05:55 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; B4Ranch; Lit-O-Lady
The news report I read, indicated the Feds asked, "How much do we owe you". This should answer your question as to whether or not the loser pays.

B4,,, can you please add the details to my comments?

B4 has quite a bit of information on this and can fill in plenty of details.

Lit-O-Lady: Here is a great victory for the Property Rights crew.
3 posted on 12/23/2002 6:10:01 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
bump
4 posted on 12/23/2002 6:14:52 AM PST by snopercod
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http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
5 posted on 12/23/2002 7:08:33 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Carry_Okie; backhoe; Libertarianize the GOP; .30Carbine; 4Freedom; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; ...
Good News ping!
6 posted on 12/23/2002 7:59:51 AM PST by madfly
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Pinged and Bumping! You must have got up early to get this article so fast! Good Work!

Holiday Wishes!

7 posted on 12/23/2002 8:03:45 AM PST by madfly
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To: Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; christie; ...
Pinging my list incase there is someone who is not on Madfly's list. Sorry for the double pings to those who are on the list.
8 posted on 12/23/2002 8:19:29 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Bumping this little bit of good news for Mr Hage. He was the first to really stand up against the Rural Cleansing by the Watermelon Green Jihadists against American Farmers, ranchers, loggers, miners and who ever dare to make an honest living in rural America.
9 posted on 12/23/2002 8:28:13 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: farmfriend; Iowa Granny; George Frm Br00klyn Park
This is the email I recv'd from

Nevada Live Stock Association

P.O. Box 639

Hawthorne, Nevada 89415

For Immediate Release:

Wednesday, December 18, 2002

JUDGE RULES HAGE DOESN'T NEED GRAZING PERMIT

In a hearing before the United States Court of Federal Claims, Washington, D.C., on December 11, 2002, Senior Judge Loren Smith ruled that Tonopah, Nevada, rancher Wayne Hage, did not need a grazing permit to access his water rights and forage on his grazing allotments. "This is another landmark decision for us, long in coming," said Wayne Hage from Pine Creek Ranch.

Judge Smith ruled on a Motion for Summary Judgment brought by the United States on behalf of the United States Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management. The Motion placed the issue of a mandatory grazing permit squarely before the Court. The Court dismissed the motion, in Hage's favor, as a matter of law. "We now know, as I have said for years, that ranchers do not need a grazing permit to use our water and forage," said Hage.

Other issues of the litigation discussed in the hearing were discovery, deposition lists for the 'taking' phase, and compensation. "Considerable discussion was given in the hearing to the question of how to place a value on the compensation owed by the United States for the taking of my property. Instead of denying we own anything, it's nice to hear them ask how much they owe us," said Hage.

The litigation, Hage v. U.S. was originally filed in 1991 when the U.S. Forest Service attempted to take Hage's water rights and grazing allotments by canceling his grazing permit. Hage has argued that his property rights in water and forage are not dependent on a federal grazing permit. Judge Smith has now settled this matter.

In January, the same court, in a Final Decision and Finding of Fact, found that Hage's water rights were vested and that the allotments themselves were "fee lands" to which Hage had title. The court found that, based on his vested water rights, Hage had an inheritable right to use the lands of the United States for livestock grazing. Fee is defined as an estate in inheritance without condition, belonging to the owner in perpetuity

(See Black's Law Dictionary). The Decision said that Hage owned the "fee" while the underlying naked title to the land and minerals remained in the United States.

For further information contact: Wayne Hage 775-482-4817 or Ramona Morrison, Secretary, Nevada Live Stock Association, 775-424-0570.

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Unless you have a personal vested interest, please don't hassle either of these good people with a congratulatory phone call. They understand the importance of this judicial decision to all property owning Americans. This gave the land rights takers a solid kick in the head. BLM will be eating mud for Christmas! Hurrah! Now the question is will they use our money to appeal Judge Smith's decision. My guess is,"Of course they will. What do they have to lose? It's not their money that they're spending."

10 posted on 12/23/2002 8:41:30 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Bump & Merry Christmas!
11 posted on 12/23/2002 8:41:33 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
12 posted on 12/23/2002 8:46:13 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: B4Ranch
Now the question is will they use our money to appeal Judge Smith's decision.

Another big win for the Hages...congratulations.

Without doubt the BLM will appeal...they have to, they have a lot of 'splainin to do if they lose. They have been pushing ranchers around for too many years and can't afford to lose this thing.

13 posted on 12/23/2002 8:54:51 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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Given that this was a United States Court of Federal Claims in the District of Columbia (i.e., not subject to the bankruptcy of the United States), what is the next step: SCOTUS or a Circuit Court of Appeals?
14 posted on 12/23/2002 9:11:50 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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Here is five pages concerning the Nevada Live Stock Association and our fight with the BLM.

I am wondering how this will effect the Cliff Gardner case. Basically, this is another water rights case where the Feds stomped and old man and his wondeful wife into the ground with their presumed authority.

15 posted on 12/23/2002 9:15:55 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Carry_Okie
Do I smell like an attorney? I don't know that stuff.
16 posted on 12/23/2002 9:17:02 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
bttt!
17 posted on 12/23/2002 12:09:41 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: madfly; bigfootbob
Now if only the lovely Mrs. Hage (Helen Chenoweth) would run against the evil Harry Reid for the Senate, life would be complete. (Well, almost).
18 posted on 12/23/2002 12:27:40 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: B4Ranch; Carry_Okie
The future is looking better all the time, with reports like this on the horizon!
19 posted on 12/23/2002 7:44:08 PM PST by Issaquahking
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Now if only the lovely Mrs. Hage (Helen Chenoweth) would run against the evil Harry Reid for the Senate, life would be complete. (Well, almost).

Now that's a thought. You'd have to do it over Karl Rove's dead twitching body though. Look what he did to Simon, Schundler, Salmon...

20 posted on 12/23/2002 7:52:25 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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