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The biggest event to hit the AZ anti-illegal alien invasion movement
Marine Inspector ^ | 12/24/2002 | Marine Inspector

Posted on 12/24/2002 1:50:38 PM PST by Marine Inspector

The biggest event to hit the AZ anti-illegal alien invasion movement is confirmed: Michelle Malkin vs. Ricardo Pimental debate. Here's the scoop:

DATE: Saturday, January 25
TIME: 5:00-6:00 p.m.--Book-signing and Reception.
6:30-8:30--Malkin-Pimental debate.

LOCATION: Steele Auditorium at the Arizona Historical Society Museum (Papago Park):
1300 North College Avenue
Tempe, AZ 85281

MODERATOR: Tentatively U.S. Representative J.D. Hayworth.

Debate topic and question are: "Immigration and National Security in the Post-9/11 Era: Are Open Borders an Invitation to Terrorism?"
Yes, Michelle will sign all books purchased for/at this event.

TICKET PRICES:
$15 General Admission
$35 General Admission + one copy of book INVASION
$30 VIP seating (center aisle, first four rows)
$50 VIP seating + one copy of book INVASION
$25 additional copies of INVASION

Tickets/books go on sale January 2: SONORAN NEWS will accept phone orders for credit card sales, with tickets/books available at Will Call table at the Museum starting at 5 p.m. day of debate. For further information, call Kathy at (623) 376-7918.


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: jihadinamerica; whatpriceinvasion
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See you there.
1 posted on 12/24/2002 1:50:38 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: madfly; Sabertooth
Ping away
2 posted on 12/24/2002 1:51:06 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector; Victoria Delsoul; Pokey78; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing; rdb3; mhking; BOBTHENAILER; ...

    

Michelle
Malkin
Growl!




Post here to the thread if you'd like to be on the Michelle Malkin list.

3 posted on 12/24/2002 1:57:46 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Victoria Delsoul; Marine Inspector; FITZ; Ajnin; Pelham; Travis McGee; sarcasm; harpseal; RonDog; ..
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4 posted on 12/24/2002 1:58:40 PM PST by Sabertooth
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5 posted on 12/24/2002 1:59:09 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Dang...i wish i lived closer!! :(
6 posted on 12/24/2002 1:59:51 PM PST by chasio649
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To: All
The biggest event to hit the AZ anti-illegal alien invasion movement

This kind of alien?

7 posted on 12/24/2002 2:16:39 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Marine Inspector
Wow, Michelle Malkin Super Arizona ping
8 posted on 12/24/2002 2:17:06 PM PST by madfly
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To: Free the USA; Tancredo Fan; agitator; Tancred; Spiff; backhoe; Carry_Okie; Helix; Brownie74; bok; ..
I was so excited, forgot the ping list, lol!!!
9 posted on 12/24/2002 2:20:41 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Lucky Arizona residents. To bad I live so far away, I would certainly love to be there.
10 posted on 12/24/2002 2:27:10 PM PST by calawah98
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To: MeeknMing
Cute!

LOL!
11 posted on 12/24/2002 2:39:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Marine Inspector
Booknotes TRANSCRIPT: Brian Lamb interviews Michelle Malkin about "Invasion" on C-SPAN (12/8/02)
12 posted on 12/24/2002 2:39:54 PM PST by heyhey
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To: Marine Inspector
Wow, thanks for the heads up. I hope we can count on you to let us out of staters know how the debate went.
13 posted on 12/24/2002 2:45:29 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Sabertooth; Marine Inspector; *JIHAD IN AMERICA; Grampa Dave; Clovis_Skeptic; ladyinred; ...
Thanks for the ping! Based on this :

At War on the Border:First drug dealers, next a wave of illegal immigration,then fear of terrorists

I'll put this on the JIhad List based on this excerpt:

And experts estimate the Border Patrol catches only one in five.

"It's not just job-seeking Latinos," says McWilliams. "Nationals from 150 different countries were apprehended last year." This includes France, Germany, the Ukraine and dozens of others around the world.

That might be the best-kept secret of the border wars, the number of OTMs--Other Than Mexicans--entering the U.S. It's a secret because the Border Patrol won't break down by country the apprehension statistics it releases publicly.

"Since September 11, we're restricted in what we can say about OTMs because of national security," says Border Patrol spokesman Rob Daniels.

If the agency did release OTM numbers, the public might register alarm to learn that among those arrested in Arizona in 2002 were six nationals from Egypt, two from Lebanon, three from Yemen and one from Iraq.

These figures, provided by an INS source who asked to remain anonymous, also showed nationals from Sudan, Cuba, China, Jordan, North Korea and the Philippines, the latter a place where American forces are currently on the ground fighting groups affiliated with al-Qaida.

The OTM numbers are a small fraction of the number of Mexicans apprehended in Arizona 2002--375,000. But the figures represent only apprehensions in Arizona, and remember, five times that number got through.

Moreover, OTMs crossings have grown markedly of late, and it only takes a few with bad intentions to create havoc, as the country learned on September 11, 2001.

Here is a lengthy but important document which should be read by all!

Jihadis in the Hood
Race, Urban Islam and the War on Terror

JIHAD IN AMERICA:

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14 posted on 12/24/2002 2:46:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: madfly
oooh ... I'm going to be in Phoenix that day for a Republican state committee meeting .... it should be finished by that time... I'll HAVE to go.

Are you going?

BTW, Merry Christmas!!!

15 posted on 12/24/2002 2:51:09 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: DLfromthedesert
Yes, I've been waiting for the details on this from Marine Inspector, what an event it should be and I will get to meet you and other freepers. Hint Hint, Papago Park is pretty close to Sky Harbor Airport :)
16 posted on 12/24/2002 2:59:19 PM PST by madfly
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To: DLfromthedesert
And a Merry Christmas
to you and all my
freeper friends!

17 posted on 12/24/2002 3:02:32 PM PST by madfly
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To: Marine Inspector
Ricardo Pimental, a columnist for the now very left leaning Arizona Republic morning daily, seems to be a rather lightweight debater on this subject. Expect him to play all the standard well worn cards; illegals are needed for the economy, illegals pay their fair share of taxes, we have no right to deny them immigration, they don't add to the crime problem, etc., etc. Also, expect him to attempt to play some version of the "race" card. But, this may not work so well against Malkin, herself a second generation daughter of LEGAL immigrants from the Philippines. Malkin is very well armed with facts that can easily shoot down all the standard cliché arguments against enforcing established federal immigration law. This will be interesting.
18 posted on 12/24/2002 3:15:22 PM PST by Richard Axtell
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks Saber.


Bump.

19 posted on 12/24/2002 3:35:39 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Marine Inspector
I don't know who that guy is,but he had better be doing his homework if he's going to face Michelle in a open debate.
20 posted on 12/24/2002 3:35:53 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Wouldn't it be nice if C-span would show this debate? Well, I haven't seen Santa at my house yet, so he can give me that!!
21 posted on 12/24/2002 3:44:07 PM PST by Elkiejg
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To: madfly
Mexicans to collect U.S. Social Security?

Talks underway to add some residents south of border to rolls

Posted: December 19, 2002 5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Jon Dougherty

The United States and Mexico are in preliminary talks to merge both countries' Social Security systems under a plan that would add tens of thousands of residents south of the border to the rolls and cost American taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.

Though officials describe the talks so far as "informal," the idea is being pushed by Mexican President Vincente Fox as payback from President Bush for failing to secure major new immigration reforms beneficial to Mexico City, the Washington Post reported today.

Excerpts from a U.S. Social Security Administration memo dated this month say the agreement "is expected to move forward at an accelerated pace," and could be in place by next October.

Both governments are said to be supportive of the plan, though it is being pushed by the Mexican government.

The pact is the latest and largest attempt by Washington and Mexico City to ensure that people from one country working in another aren't taxed twice for Social Security benefits. In the first year alone, the agreement is expected to trigger 37,000 claims from Mexicans working in the U.S. legally who paid Social Security taxes but haven't been able to claim their checks, said the memo, prepared by Ted Girdner, the Social Security Administration's assistant associate commissioner for international operations.

Within five years of implementation, the agreement could cost U.S. taxpayers $750 million, though an independent estimate put the cost at around $1 billion. Currently, $372 billion in Social Security benefits are being paid to 46.4 million recipients.

Mexican officials began pushing the Bush administration hard in October to support the agreement.

"When the legalization talks began going nowhere, the Mexicans began focusing on this," Maria Blanco, national senior counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, told the Post.

Arturo Sarukhan, a top Mexican foreign ministry official, said his government has been lobbying the Bush administration hard after failing to win favorable immigration reforms.

"How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time,"

he said.

He said the agreement would improve the daily lives of Mexican citizens, many of whom are still trapped in poverty a decade after the North American Free Trade Agreement promised prosperity to the nation's 103.4 million people.

Critics, as well as some on the Bush administration economic team, worry that adding more beneficiaries would burden an already ailing system, just as American baby boomers begin to retire.

In the meantime, House Ways and Means Committee staff members are meeting today with Social Security officials to hash out projected costs for such an agreement.

"We are concerned about the sheer magnitude of the agreement," said a House Republican aide who is an expert on Social Security.

Currently, around 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the U.S. system under the auspices of about 20 international treaties. One estimate said the number of Mexicans coming into the system under the plan being considered number around 164,000 in the first five years.

Canada and South Korea are among some of the countries that already have a similar agreement with the U.S.

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said the issue is being explored at this time only on a "technical level" and that no decision to move forward has been made.

In 1996, the U.S. passed a law stating that foreigners not legally residing in the country could no longer claim benefits unless their home countries were subject to a treaty.

Mexico says those beneficiaries, numbering around 13,000, were owed some $50 million in 1998.

Negotiators working on the plan say the U.S. will have to build a new building in the embassy complex in Mexico City to handle the crush of claims expected, sources said.

Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, says if Mexicans receive the $8,100 in benefits that Mexican-born retirees in the U.S. currently get, the total expenditure for the program will easily surpass $1 billion annually.

The cost, however, is of little consequence to supporters.

"How can [the U.S. government] say this is too costly? This is money these workers paid into the Social Security system. This is their money," said Blanco.

22 posted on 12/24/2002 3:52:41 PM PST by heyhey
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To: MissAmericanPie
I'll be recording it.
23 posted on 12/24/2002 4:03:41 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: heyhey
Thanks.
24 posted on 12/24/2002 4:04:01 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Sabertooth
Will it be on C-Span?
25 posted on 12/24/2002 4:07:37 PM PST by kcar
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To: Richard Axtell
Agreed, Pimental does not stand a chance against Michelle.

I'm sure Pimental will do all that you say he will, and I will be there to record everything he says.
26 posted on 12/24/2002 4:09:01 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
Bada bada Bump
27 posted on 12/24/2002 4:21:43 PM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: heyhey; firebrand
Thanks heyhey....firebrand, see post #12 for transcript of Malkin's Booknotes interview....
28 posted on 12/24/2002 4:25:03 PM PST by Dutchy
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To: Marine Inspector
You lucky guy!!! I wish I could go... Ricardo the Pimento is carried in my local rag...he's a class A-1 douchebagger. I hope she wipes the floor with that slimy invasion apologist.
30 posted on 12/24/2002 7:09:35 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: Marine Inspector
I just saw a TV commercial which implies that when a person buys some drugs that they are responsible for all the criminal activity that the drug cartels support and commit during their regular business activitites. I noticed that these commercials are sponsored by the Feds. Are the people who ignore the Constitution and refuse to defend our borders (the Feds) also responsible for all of the criminal activities of the drug cartels?
31 posted on 12/24/2002 7:17:36 PM PST by gorebegone
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To: Richard Axtell
"Ricardo Pimental, a columnist for the now very left leaning Arizona Republic morning daily, seems to be a rather lightweight debater on this subject"

He may be but both of these people have more debating guts than most politicians. Lord I love a good debate.

32 posted on 12/24/2002 7:24:20 PM PST by groanup
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To: gorebegone
Are the people who ignore the Constitution and refuse to defend our borders (the Feds) also responsible for all of the criminal activities of the drug cartels?

If we use their logic, yes they are.

33 posted on 12/24/2002 7:26:30 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Captainpaintball
I hope she wipes the floor with that slimy invasion apologist.

She will.

34 posted on 12/24/2002 7:27:49 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector; madfly; Sabertooth
Stop the insanity BUMP!

Michelle Malkin

35 posted on 12/24/2002 7:41:03 PM PST by Flyer
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To: heyhey
Oh, but it's OK to tax seniors who make more than $30,000 a year 85% on their Social Security benefits. Why don't they repeal that unfair Clinton imposed tax before they start giving it to non-US citizens?
36 posted on 12/24/2002 7:59:32 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: madfly; Marine Inspector
Do you think Butch will be in attendance?

BTW, Rush has a good interview with Malkin in his latest newsletter.

37 posted on 12/24/2002 8:02:18 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Marine Inspector
Wasn't there a case at the appellate level in which a United States citizen could sue using RICO those companies who hire illegal aliens?
38 posted on 12/24/2002 8:13:41 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: Marine Inspector
bump
39 posted on 12/24/2002 8:22:01 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: doug from upland
Wasn't there a case at the appellate level in which a United States citizen could sue using RICO those companies who hire illegal aliens?

Yes. I don't recall the details right now, but I think it was upheld.

40 posted on 12/24/2002 8:22:35 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: madfly
Merry Christmas, madfly.
41 posted on 12/24/2002 9:57:27 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: DLfromthedesert
Taxing SS payments is wrong. That should be one of the first taxes repealed this coming Spring 2003.
42 posted on 12/24/2002 11:22:01 PM PST by goody2shooz
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To: chasio649
"Dang...i wish i lived closer!!"

That was my first thought also. Here's to Ms. Malkin kicking some butt!

43 posted on 12/25/2002 3:46:49 AM PST by Paulie
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To: Sabertooth
Michelle will also be debating in Denver on January 8 and in New York City on January 15. For more details, see www.invasion.us/appearances.htm. To buy a signed copy of Invasion, see www.invasion.us/buybook.htm.
44 posted on 12/25/2002 5:28:47 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: heyhey
In 1996, the U.S. passed a law stating that foreigners not legally residing in the country

They should not be rewarded for breaking the laws, also if they weren't here legally, they must have used stolen Social Security numbers if they paid any taxes. Paying a tax doesn't qualify someone for welfare programs.

45 posted on 12/25/2002 2:52:46 PM PST by FITZ
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To: heyhey
Mexican ex-presidents (there are 5) make 10 times what a US ex-president is paid ---$5 million a year. Fox obviously expects to get his $5 million a year ----but if his country is so hard up for money, why doesn't he cut back this payment and use it to build a Social Security system for his people?
46 posted on 12/25/2002 2:55:10 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Marine Inspector
For more information about the Arizona debate, please see http://www.sonorannews.com/Frontpg_5.html
47 posted on 12/25/2002 6:52:48 PM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Clinton Is Scum
Thanks.
48 posted on 12/25/2002 8:04:18 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: eye for an eye
ping
49 posted on 12/26/2002 12:09:26 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
bttt
50 posted on 12/26/2002 7:34:34 AM PST by madfly
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