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Bush snubs Prince Charles
Mail on Sunday ^ | December 29, 2002 | Johnathan Oliver

Posted on 12/29/2002 5:56:53 PM PST by ejdrapes

Bush to Charles: we don't want you in USA
by JOHNATHAN OLIVER | Mail on Sunday | 19th December 2002

Prince Charles has abandoned an official visit to the United States because the White House has signalled he is not welcome.

The snub by President Bush - which is causing a behind-the-scenes diplomatic furore both in London and Washington - has been prompted by the Prince's deeply held reservations about Bush's determination to wage war with Iraq.

The Mail on Sunday reveals today that senior figures in the Bush administration have indicated that it would be 'very unhelpful' for the planned royal visit to proceed.

They fear Charles's arrival will coincide with the start of a full-scale invasion of Iraq - and that the Prince's opposition to the war would cause huge embarrassment.

It is understood the trip has now been cancelled on the advice of British diplomats. A senior Whitehall official confirmed last night: 'A week-long tour was in the diary for February or March 2003. But the Prince has been politely informed his views on the current crisis might not go down well.'

And a Washington insider admitted: 'This would not be a desirable visit at a sensitive time like this.'

The Bush administration, said the Whitehall official, believes the Prince is vehemently against war. And the Foreign Office now fears his visit would be hijacked by US anti-war factions to drive a wedge between America and Britain and undermine Tony Blair's steadfastly pro-Washington stance.

Blair's policy is already being criticised within the Cabinet. International-Development Secretary Clare Short yesterday embarrassed Downing Street when she said: 'An all-out war that causes devastating suffering to the people of Iraq would be wrong.'

The Prince got on well with George W's father when he and former President George Bush recalled the Anglo-US wartime partnership six decades ago at the rededication of the American Air Museum in Cambridgeshire last September.

But it is now clear that the people Charles was due to meet at the White House, including President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, do not want to listen to his anti-war message. Nor do they trust Charles to toe the Washington line when confronted by the world's media.

Downing Street shared Washington's reservations and it is understood that the Foreign Office told the Prince of President Bush's concerns.

'The Foreign Office organises these trips with St James's Palace,' said a royal aide. 'It has been very negative about this tour after consultations with Washington.

'The fact is that British public opinion is divided on this issue. Neither Washington nor Downing Street wants the Prince to reflect that.'

Prince Charles, who has been an outspoken advocate of tolerance towards Islam - he recently held high-profile meetings with the British Muslim community and famously promised to defend all faiths on acceding to the Throne - has never publicly expressed antiwar views. Openly attacking Government policy would provoke a constitutional crisis.

However, privately he believes an attack on Iraq would lead to a devastating and permanent rift between the West and the Islamic world.

Charles believes his views mirror those of the British people - a majority of whom oppose war on Iraq.

His position also echoes the sentiments of Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams who, in his Christmas broadcast, made a thinly veiled attack on Tony Blair's determination to wage war on Saddam.

In the spring, Charles usually pays a high-profile foreign visit and was said to have been particularly looking forward to America.

His last trip there six years ago was virtually ignored by the US media which gave an ecstatic reception to his ex-wife, Diana, Princess of Wales, who made a solo visit the same year.

Subsequent tours had been pencilled in but were cancelled after the September 11 outrage and again after the Queen Mother's death.

Iraq is not the only issue which would have caused friction between the Prince and his American hosts. Charles has made no secret of his loathing of the 'Wild West' free-market capitalism favoured by Bush.

'Business is at a crossroads,' said the Prince on his previous US visit. 'Does it enter new markets like the cowboys of the frontier? Or does it take a rather more sophisticated approach which leads to continued rather than short-term profit?'

A spokeswoman for St James's Palace said: 'The Prince goes on two major tours annually. The places that he goes to are decided by the Foreign Office. It is not our decision.'

A Foreign Office spokesman said: 'We cannot confirm the Prince's plans so far ahead of time.'


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To: isthisnickcool
Those horses are WAY too pretty to be Chaz and Camilla. Especially the one on the right, a T'bred blueblood.

HERE's a couple of winners. The first one is the Prince and the other is his not-Consort:

Now THOSE are ugly horses! (trust me. they're Hugly.)

21 posted on 12/29/2002 7:04:33 PM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: Porterville
Cheers for Bush for standing up to this inbred, ugly-*ss pile of Eton-horse-manure. Stay home in England, Charlie, where you pursue little foxes while we slay the Muslim terrorists.
22 posted on 12/29/2002 7:05:21 PM PST by nwrep
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To: ejdrapes
Why would anyone listen to a person who chose Camilla Parker-Toilet bowl over Princess Diana?
23 posted on 12/29/2002 7:06:45 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: ejdrapes
Charles has made no secret of his loathing of the 'Wild West' free-market capitalism favoured by Bush.

Well, of course. A man who has never held a job in his life, is dumber than a bag of hammers, and who has untold riches, can easily hold those kinds of views.

24 posted on 12/29/2002 7:09:09 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: *all
Now wait just a cotton-pickin' minute. Charles is not that bad. The Royals aren't that bad. They are the most famous figurehead monarchs in the world and they earn their keep. The cost about 400 million pounds a year but they bring in BILLIONS in tourism. The recent 50th anniversary jubilee ought to clue people in that the Brits still love their Queen and who are wwe to say different?

I was told by someone in a position to know that Charles was awesome after the death of Diana in making the arrangements and tending to the details. That he displayed a great deal of integrity and care. Don't believe everything you read in the tabloids.

I agree he should stay away, unfortunately, given his position on the war but note that the article states that he is not publicly arguing against it. To me, that shows a lot more integrity than the liberal socialists here would show. Our little commies would say "to hell with the monarchy, to hell with the constitution, full steam ahead".

</rant) Just thought this thread needed a little balance.
25 posted on 12/29/2002 7:10:16 PM PST by johnb838
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
There are parts of this country which cannot get enough of the British royalty. Don't ask me why.
26 posted on 12/29/2002 7:11:26 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: ejdrapes
Charles is such a ninny.
27 posted on 12/29/2002 7:12:31 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Sunday, 29 December, 2002, 00:13 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2612235.stm
Prince attacked over German car deal after calling on government entities to buy British

Charles wants public bodies to buy British
Prince Charles has been accused of "hypocrisy"
for signing a £100,000 deal with a German car
firm, shortly before calling for public bodies to
be ordered to buy British.

The Prince of Wales said schools, hospitals,
the Army and government departments should
only buy British food in a bid to help UK
farmers.

But according to the Sunday Mirror newspaper
Charles made the plea after he arranged to
lease up to four new cars from Audi.

Labour MPs Tom Watson and Paul Flynn
criticised the prince's decision to appeal for
extra help for farmers while failing to support
other British workers himself.

Mr Flynn said it was "extraordinary" that
Charles spoke out in favour of the subsidised
farming industry but not others that are being
decimated.

'Millionaire farmer'

Mr Watson said: "Charles should put his money
where his mouth is when it comes to the
British car industry.

"This is hypocrisy from
the heir to the throne
who appears not to care
about workers in his own
country."

Mr Flynn said the deal with Audi highlighted
Charles's distorted priorities.

He criticised the Prince for failing to speak out
in favour of the steel industry when it faced
cutbacks.

"He is a victim of his environment as a
millionaire farmer," the MP said.

"He fails to see the aluminium, steel or hi-tech
industries having their heart torn out."

'Food, not cars'

According to an Audi spokesman the deal with
Charles involves four cars on an open-ended
lease.

But a St James's Palace spokeswoman said she
was only aware of one car being bought to
replace the Prince's Vauxhall Omega.

She said: "Vauxhall have decided to stop
making Omegas so he has had to pick another
car and has chosen Audi.".

The spokeswoman said the decision did not
contradict his call for extra support for farmers
because "he was talking about food, not cars".

She said: "He was saying that, where possible,
people should buy British food. "

'Just imagine'

Prince Charles made his buy British call in an
interview with Farmers' Weekly magazine.

He said: "Just imagine the amount of food
purchased by our hospitals, armed forces, local
government, schools and universities.

"What an impact it would make on the viability
of the British farmer if each was to 'buy British'
and preferably, buy 'local'."

He dismissed the idea that such a policy would
break EU rules, citing research recently
completed at the University of Wales.
28 posted on 12/29/2002 7:16:41 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: johnb838
The cost about 400 million pounds a year but they bring in BILLIONS in tourism.

Tourist attractions eh
29 posted on 12/29/2002 7:17:23 PM PST by uncbob
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To: johnb838
The cost about 400 million pounds a year but they bring in BILLIONS in tourism.

LOL, you are killing me. BILLIONS of pounds?

Maybe if you say that every dollar spent by every tourist is spent only because of the existence of the royal family. Otherwise, there would be no reason to visit, I suppose.

30 posted on 12/29/2002 7:17:33 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Maybe if you say that every dollar spent by every tourist is spent only because of the existence of the royal family. Otherwise, there would be no reason to visit, I suppose.

I was there in 92,93(2x),94(2x),95 and 98 as a tourist. haven't been back because of the condition of my wallet. After seeing the Tower of London, and Windsor Palace, I never thought about the Royals. It's just a great place to spend a vacation.

31 posted on 12/29/2002 7:29:26 PM PST by Stentor
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To: Dog Gone
but they bring in BILLIONS in tourism.

3/4 of which is spent at Heathrowe, at the bar during a layover, on the way to somewhere (anywhere) else in Europe.

32 posted on 12/29/2002 7:30:20 PM PST by txhurl
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To: ejdrapes
that's why we had the american revolution...to get rid of royals.

now, if we could only convince the american electorate that passing on electoral seats to wives and daughters is similar, we'd be better off.

after all, there are 280,000,000 people in this country; someone ought to have more talent than a gore, a bush, a carnahan, a clinton, etc.

34 posted on 12/29/2002 7:37:10 PM PST by koax
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To: ejdrapes
Royals are to be seen and not heard. Someone ought to tell Charles, who when heard reminds one of chalk being scratched on a board.
35 posted on 12/29/2002 7:40:30 PM PST by Torie
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To: Stentor
After seeing the Tower of London, and Windsor Palace, I never thought about the Royals. It's just a great place to spend a vacation.

Which could be seen whether or not Britain still had a monarchy today.

I have been a tourist there twice, and enjoyed my stay without seeing the royal family once. If Britain wants to pay them to be props, I really don't care. But they are the most expensive welfare family in the history of the world, and I think they are a huge bore.

36 posted on 12/29/2002 7:45:20 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: ejdrapes
"However, privately he believes an attack on Iraq would lead to a devastating and permanent rift between the West and the Islamic world. "

Are these people for REAL?

Let's see...Charles "believes that an attack on Iraq would lead to a devastating and permanent rift between the West and the Islamic world, " but the "Islamic world's" attack on the United States prompts him to grovel to them by "promise[ing] to be the defender of "all faiths" when he gets on the throne"?

Leftists are nothing but hypocritical, snivelling little milquetoasts. In attempting to appear to stand for everything (but the majority view, of course, which they are reflexively against), they end up standing for nothing.

37 posted on 12/29/2002 7:48:07 PM PST by NH Liberty
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To: ejdrapes; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; babylonian; shaggy eel; Crazymonarch; DBtoo; Zad; ...
This appears to be a family fight.  Bush is related to the royal family.  Yesterday we saw the Queen orders Prince Charles to stop hunting.  Today we see the Prince Charles doesn't want Bush to hunt.  If any of them followed the many dreams and visions of missiles falling on the U.S.* and London in a sneak attack, they might stop their fighting and look at who is hunting them.  Points are deducted and wars are lost for not paying attention.
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*Click here, scroll down to the right
38 posted on 12/29/2002 7:58:40 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: NH Liberty
I guess it takes a suicide attack into his own palace to convince him. Odd that the Libyan hijacking that rained down on Lockerbie, Scotland, didn't.
39 posted on 12/29/2002 7:59:16 PM PST by hunter112
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To: johnb838
Thanks, John.

Before anyone goes off and calls Charles or for that matter Andrew whimpy, useless whatevers I would remind them that any suggestion of such with the military units these gentlemen served with might meet with some serious disagreement from the other individuals involved.

The net benefit of the Royal Family is very hard to calculate, but it ultimately is a result in the black. It's a part of the identity not only of Great Britain but also The Commonwealth. When HRH QEII comes over, the most eager folks to meet her are often the newest Canadians.

No harm, no foul. And we always have (at least in theory) the ability to petition Her Majesty to throw our pathetic Prime Minister out on his ear. May someone she would listen to communicate such.

40 posted on 12/29/2002 8:01:12 PM PST by mitchbert
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