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States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling
Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: choice; constitutionlist; education; educationnews; homeschool; homeschoollist; schoolchoice
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To: B Knotts
Alliance for the Separation of School & State
41 posted on 01/02/2003 1:00:58 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: CholeraJoe
Don't make ridiculous proclamations clearly not supported by any documentation.

You don't need documentation to express a philosophy. I too believe that education isn't a legitimate role for government... that you can find a state constitution that includes it only makes it legal, it doesn't make it right.

As for "ridiculous proclamations," well... I think I've said enough already.

42 posted on 01/02/2003 1:01:10 PM PST by Oberon
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To: hsmomx3
Can you spell T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y? My kids are mine - public schools be damned to hell along with the crap they teach.
43 posted on 01/02/2003 1:02:22 PM PST by exmarine
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To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

See, you've already bought into the big lie. Do you feed your children at home, or do you send them to a licensed nutritionist with a college degree? Have you ever met an Education major? Lord help us if you think a college degree and state license in education means anything.

44 posted on 01/02/2003 1:03:54 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards.

Hey Joe! If homeschoolers produce the academic cream of the crop, meeting government standards would dumb them down. Homeschoolers already exceed government standards. By forcing HSers to comply with govt sub-standards, they are opening the door to home visits. Now either the homosexual and pro-aborts' penumbran constitutional right to privacy exists or it doesn't. If it exists, HSers have the same right. If it doesn't, time to overturn Roe v. Wade and push the Hsexers back into the closet.

45 posted on 01/02/2003 1:04:08 PM PST by Dataman
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To: CholeraJoe
You're correct. Whether we agree or not, the state constitutions have made the provision of education a function of the state government. It seems to me that state legislatures and departments of education have erroneously interpreted that to mean government may be the sole provider of education.

For what it's worth, John Adams said in 1776, "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful that, to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."

I doubt he ever thought that those who provide their children an adequate education at home would become criminals, however.

46 posted on 01/02/2003 1:04:56 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

Hmmm. You're apparently one such teacher.

I suspected so based on your point of view, but your relative proficiency in critical thinking was a dead giveaway.

47 posted on 01/02/2003 1:04:58 PM PST by Oberon
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To: backhoe; Libertarianize the GOP; seamole; Carry_Okie; 2sheep; 4Freedom; Alamo-Girl; AnnaZ; ...
home school ping
48 posted on 01/02/2003 1:06:16 PM PST by madfly
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To: CholeraJoe
Having a degree in education and a license is no indicator of a good teacher
49 posted on 01/02/2003 1:07:08 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: LikeLight
Lord help us if you think a college degree and state license in education means anything.

Substitute Medicine for education in your statement and reconsider. Do you have a right to remove your child's appendix because you are their parent? You think nothing of educating your child yourself but wouldn't dream of practicing medicine on them.

50 posted on 01/02/2003 1:07:23 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
That's interesting - so the state has a mandate to provide a 'free and public' education. We knew that already, but that's fine, well and good. What's not fine, well and good?

When the premise is twisted into something completely different.

Just because the State is mandated to provide education doesn't mean we have to use it. Or does it? (which is the only way a failed system would continue to exist - government decree)

To argue any further along that line of reasoning is folly.
51 posted on 01/02/2003 1:08:30 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: AppyPappy
Having a degree in education and a license is no indicator of a good teacher

Nor is having an MD and a state license the indicator of a good doctor but it establishes minimum qualifications.

52 posted on 01/02/2003 1:10:50 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
You think nothing of educating your child yourself but wouldn't dream of practicing medicine on them.

Thank you. You make my point exactly. I choose, using my best judgment as a parent.

I prefer to let trained professional airline pilots fly any jet on which I travel. I prefer trained surgeons for surgery. I can independently evaluate the circumstances and make the decision for myself. When I see something I can do better than the so-called professionals, I can choose to do it myself.

53 posted on 01/02/2003 1:13:13 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards.

"Put down that book. Here is your condom and banana."

54 posted on 01/02/2003 1:15:11 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: CholeraJoe
since when is compulsary education a legitimate function of government?

You missed a word.

55 posted on 01/02/2003 1:16:13 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: CholeraJoe
There is nothing in the Texas constitution that says that the public schools are a mandatory form of education. The constitution only provides for a public school system for those who either want to partake of it or cannot provide an education to their children.
56 posted on 01/02/2003 1:16:20 PM PST by fifteendogs
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To: CholeraJoe
You think nothing of educating your child yourself but wouldn't dream of practicing medicine on them.

Joe, in most cases homeschooling is preferable to public schooling because, among other reasons, it prevents the state from indoctrinating your children with statist thinking.

However, in your case, it's a wash. Go ahead and put yours on the bus; it's less work.

57 posted on 01/02/2003 1:16:40 PM PST by Oberon
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To: Mr. Lucky
JUDGE HALLER: Two what?

VINCENT LA GUARDIA: Two yutes.

JUDGE HALLER: Jutes? What is a yute?

VINCENT LA GUARDIA: Oh, sorry, your honor. Two youths.

Still laughing at this

58 posted on 01/02/2003 1:17:12 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

A degree in education exists for those too ignorant or stupid for a real college degree who want to teach anyway.

59 posted on 01/02/2003 1:18:11 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards.

If that is all you ask of education then you will wind up being (or raising) a moron.

Shalom.

60 posted on 01/02/2003 1:18:50 PM PST by ArGee
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