To: Joe Brower; Jeff Head; Squantos; wardaddy; harpseal; Mulder; kaylar; coloradan; Noumenon; ...
Here we go again. The statist boot lickers never give up.
Again we see the ludicrous lie that the militia is the national guard, which was not formed for over 100 years after the Bill of Rights was adopted.
Why don't they ever quote George Mason, who said "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." Then he said "to disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." Not very ambiguous!
And this lame brained writer doesn't know much about the English language. The first clause in no way changes or mitigates the primary clause. "The moon is made of green cheese, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Or as the point is sometime illustrated, (paraphrased)
"A well educated electorate being necessary for the advancement of a free nation, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infinged."
In this idiot's interpretation, only government educators could keep all types of "dangerous" books. Books containing that were deemed especially dangerous ideas could be banned for possession by common folk, they would have to be kept and explained by officially sanctioned educators.
Rubbish.
If these idiots continue pushing their half of the nation (the sheeple half yearning to be protected only by Big Shepherd)in this direction, we are eventually going to have to settle this issue with a war. That's the basic premise of my novel.
5 posted on
01/11/2003 11:15:28 PM PST by
Travis McGee
(BLOAT, cache, and take names!)
To: Travis McGee
If they keep pushing it they are going to force a lot of people who are not too involved with the process (or not at all) to pick up their guns and go into politics.
I pray we can avoid that ... but these fools are so ignorant of history and the very meaning of liberty and freedom ... and they think they are so insulated from the consequences and results of their foolishness that they will run headlong into the brickwall because they never look up to see that one is there.
... as to the handlers that are using such useful idiots ... well, they too sorely underestimate the effectiveness of the 15 million hunting rifles.
8 posted on
01/11/2003 11:42:07 PM PST by
Jeff Head
To: Travis McGee
Looking forward to getting your book, hopefully while the
SPECIAL PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER: MATT WILL PERSONALLY AUTOGRAPH ALL OF THESE COPIES offer is still in effect.
These people can read. I've worked with enough of these cretins to know they deliberately play word games to avoid debating from a logical stand.
If gunowners were as uncivilized and vicious as they would like us to believe, or if just they alone believed it, they would be hiding out and keeping their mouths shut tight. They obviously feel safe enough to speak out. Therefore, whatever plans and designs they have which would seriously rile up the gunowners, haven't been clearly revealed.
9 posted on
01/11/2003 11:43:21 PM PST by
meadsjn
To: Travis McGee
Also if one were to interpret the second amendment as a state militia's right to keep and bear arms for preservation then it would be the ONLY amendment that is not precisely an individual right in the entire document.
Of course, thinking folks already know there exists a body of letters from the very founders who crafted this language explaining that it is meant precisely as the right for the people to bear arms and is not to be infringed.....even though it is indeed being infringed constantly because we have neither a SCOTUS or POTUS with the guts or rightmindedness to just jump in and end this madness.
However...if a justice can extract infanticide justification from the right to privacy then I suppose we should be prepared for the storm before the calm.
I've lost my faith in our elected representatives to stop this hellbound train. One day either us or folks like us down the road are going to have to settle this unless a profound calamity occurs that will shock folks back into the real world and they'll be too busy simply surviving to worry about petty crap like social engineering and constitutional dilution....neither is a pretty resolution but that's about the only hope I see. If we lose, then it's game over for the individual here. How in the hell can anyone expect to rattle tyranny without weapons and the will to use them.
10 posted on
01/12/2003 12:08:09 AM PST by
wardaddy
(naive people who don't know history or human nature abound in the land of plenty)
To: Travis McGee; Jeff Head
the wording of the Second Amendment was a reflection of the political climate in Europe at the time. ???
Is it me or did this village idiot Alex Gerber just shoot himself in the foot with that statement ? I believe the current state of the world advocates RKBA for exactly the same reason. Your'a'peeins and their handlers are still such a form of goobermint IMO.
Just my take on the matter....
12 posted on
01/12/2003 12:16:15 AM PST by
Squantos
(Stay Safe Ya'll !)
To: Travis McGee
The heat seems to be increasing lately on our dear boiling frog.
Our beloved frog must jump soon, or perish.
Please join me in praying to our Heavenly Father, that this nation may be restored to rightousness without weathering the impending storm.
Lord God Almighty, we beseech You, that You restore truth and justice within the hearts of the people, who are the rulers of this nation. We ask that You allow them to see the folly and evil of thier ways, and to repent and humble themselves before You, and turn from thier sins, toward Your mercy. We humbly pray that all this may come to pass, that we may not be forced to do our final duty as patriots.
Bless those who love You and Liberty with the courage and strength and wisdom to prevail over our wicked foe and oppressor, that tool of Satan known as Democrats.
Your will be done in all things. Amen.
"Let not your hearts be troubled", fellow Freepers.
That same God who raised up friends to fight the battles of our forefathers is still upon His throne. He has NEVER forsaken the cry of His children.
All that having been said, let us be diligent in preparing ourselves.
We may have to jump soon.
26 posted on
01/12/2003 3:10:12 AM PST by
Living Stone
(Audemus jura nostra defendere)
To: Travis McGee; Jeff Head
To: Travis McGee
, only government educators could keep all types of "dangerous" books. They already try to do just that. Drawing some physics and chemistry texts from the local library can draw some dramatic attention for yourself.
To: Travis McGee
Clearly the author of this piece cares nothing for reducing the crime rate, greater security, or the clear meaning of the Second. His only care is instituting the agenda of the gun confiscation lobby. It is a necessary prerequisite to a totalitarian state and that totalitarian state is all that really matters to these pices of offal.
35 posted on
01/12/2003 7:43:21 AM PST by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: Travis McGee
This guy is a fossil, he graduated from the U of Illinois over 60 years ago. I doubt he has any particular expertise in parsing the English language or interpreting constitutional mandates. Here's his data if you would like to communicate directly with him:
Association of State Medical Board Executive Directors
Medical Board of California Search Results
Licensee Name ALEX GERBER
Primary License Status Code RENEWED/CURRENT | RETIRED
Secondary License Status Code PERM CE WAIVER
License Number AFE9465
License Type AFE
Address 13374 CAM. MAR VILLA
City State Zip DEL MAR CA 92014
Country USA
Original License Date 04/30/1942
License Expiration Date 10/31/2003
Medical School UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS COLLEGE OF MEDICINE
Year Graduated 1941
Note: data current as of: 12/31/2002
To: Travis McGee
Here we go again. The statist boot lickers never give up. Their goal is nothing short than the total disarmanent and slavery of the American people. The bastards are just as much a threat to our Republic as Islamic terrorists are.
If these idiots continue pushing their half of the nation (the sheeple half yearning to be protected only by Big Shepherd)in this direction, we are eventually going to have to settle this issue with a war.
That's the bad news. The good news is that they would lose.
41 posted on
01/12/2003 9:01:59 AM PST by
Mulder
To: Travis McGee
How about just saying, "If ya want 'em, why don't you just come an' take 'em, nancy boy." Then arm up.
To: Travis McGee
Travis, it is the "Living Constitution" which they believe in, not being smart enough to know that if the Constitution's words don't mean the exact same thing 200 years ago, yesterday, today, and tomorrow, then no one has ANY rights. If 50% +1 vote can be convinced that it is okay to murder newspaper reporters, then the freedom of press is gone.
62 posted on
01/12/2003 3:16:10 PM PST by
Blood of Tyrants
(From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-T.J.)
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