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[Stingray]

RE: Picture of Bush and Cleric...

Just remember that when you lie down with dogs, Mr. President, you're bound to wake up with fleas.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"ALL immigration from Islamic counries should be halted immediately

The vast majority of Muslims live in Indonesia, China, and India. There are significant Muslim populations in nearly every other country in the world. How exactly would you go about stopping Muslims from entering the US?

[cake_crumb]

You're talking to the wrong person. Hitler analogies are lost on me. My grandfather and his family came to this country to escape Hitler.

[cake_crumb]

"Before, no on elistened to them"

Uh...make that "Before, no one listened to them"

[Luis Gonzalez]

That man was castigated by everyone when he tried to convince then President Clinton that Usama bin Laden was planning a major attack on the US.

Perhaps had we listened to him, we could have prevented 9/11.

It's a funny thing, Muslim extremists hate him nearly as much as you do.

[TLBSHOW]

the worst picture is the cross with the cresent moon

[F16Fighter]

"The guest called it a civil war within Islam, I think that's pretty accurate.

The problem is, that one side of that war has inexaustable funding.

The "problem" is Islam's dominant radical philosophy AND numbers which take seriously the orthodoxy of the Koran, of which dwarf the "moderates," while forevermore opposing the West culturally and religiously by whatever means.

And no, they haven't much of a funding problem which manages to grease the wheels on every continent.

[F16Fighter]

"How exactly would you go about stopping Muslims from entering the US?"

We do have a State Department, to enforce a selective immigration moritorium don't we?

[cake_crumb]

"Sad but true -- as long as the impact of Islam wreaks havoc on 95% of the places on earth where they happen to thrive, selling a 'peaceful Islam' is an impossible job -- even if there might be such a thing."

Good point...but we don't have to make it more impossible by dissing the few Muslims that have been (for several years) taking an active role in trying to fight ...uh...violent Islam. Peaceful Islam MIGHT be possible to sell here (in general, these guys are selling peaceful Islam to their fellow Muslims) because here we have a lot of things that Muslims in those Islamic hell holes don't: freedoms.

BTW, I agree that we should stop importing immigrants from terrorist states and we should put severe limits on immigration in general. This is war, and we can't be sure from which country the enemy will come. Reid was a British citizen...Moussaoui a French/somethingian citizen. If we can't tell by looking at them whether they're friend or foe, we have to stop taking them in at all until we CAN tell.

[Luis Gonzalez]

So, once again, how can you tell a Muslim from India apart from one who is not?

[cake_crumb]

"The problem is, that one side of that war has inexaustable funding"

Funding inexhaustable enough to buy whole countries.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"If we can't tell by looking at them whether they're friend or foe, we have to stop taking them in at all until we CAN tell."

How can you discern that just by looking at someone?

[F16Fighter]

"You're talking to the wrong person. Hitler analogies are lost on me. My grandfather and his family came to this country to escape Hitler."

My point?

Whether or not Germans were members of the Nazi Party (radicals), OR just plain Wehrmacht (moderates), they were still united in one cause.

And quite frankly, "moderate" peaceful Islam (an oxymoron if ever...) is dwarfed by its "radical" brethren.

It is a case of far too little too late in any event...

[Luis Gonzalez]

This forum needs a spell checker!!!

I-N-E-X-H-A-U-S-T-A-B-L-E

Thanks, I got it now.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Actually, and it is usually the case in most situations, the moderates far outnumber the extremists. The problem is that moderates are just that, moderates.

[TLBSHOW]

There are 2 things at work here, the work of those from within that are like him and those from outside, like Bin Laden. When the archives are up I will listen again as he said the key words that will prove my point. He is one of those from within promoting Islam as Peaceful! When he knows it isn't.

Daniel Pipes wrote

A survivor of that slaughter recounts that the murderers separated Christians from Muslims by requiring each hostage to recite a verse from the Koran. Those who could not were seated at a table in the library, bound to chairs, gagged, and shot in the head (except for one person who was shot in a bathroom).

Politicians and journalists, however, pretend not to recognize the problem.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/477

[Luis Gonzalez]

It is not a war on terrorism, nor a war on Islam.It is a war on a terroristic version of Islam. Authorities in the United States, Pakistan and elsewhere need to face this unpleasant fact. Not to do so will mean the unnecessary loss of lives.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/477

That's the exact same message that my guest brought to us tonight, cut from the exact same article you just posted.

[F16Fighter]

"We don't have to make it more impossible by dissing the few Muslims that have been (for several years) taking an active role in trying to fight ...uh...violent Islam."

Agreed. That's why no one going to come up with THE definitive solution to American Islam and the myriad of dynamics that go along with it and them.

"If we can't tell by looking at them whether they're friend or foe, we have to stop taking them in at all until we CAN tell."

That's why there should be a moritorium on ALL immigration from known terrorists states, and yes Luis, from India as well for the time being. We must maintain an equilibrium somehow until we get a handle on things.

[Luis Gonzalez]

There are millions of Muslims in Russia, England, France, and here.

Stopping travel as you suggest will crash the US economy in a mater of months.

[F16Fighter]

"Actually, and it is usually the case in most situations, the moderates far outnumber the extremists. The problem is that moderates are just that, moderates."

It's more the impact than numbers.

Remember elementary school? In a class of 20, the 2 troublemakers were sufficiently diluted. If the number of troublemakers were 4 or 5, the entire class would be disrupted.

Even if the number of "moderate" Islam is 70% or even 80%, the impact and numers of the remaining "troublemakers" is catastrophic.