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Are Multiculturalists Legalizing Rape?
opinion journal ^ | Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:52 p.m. EST | BY JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 01/22/2003 4:41:10 PM PST by dennisw

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:05:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Back in July, we noted an article in which Bruce Bawer quoted a Norwegian professor, commenting on the statistic that 65% of rapes in Norway were committed by "non-Western" immigrants, mostly Muslims, as remarking that the victims had it coming. "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes," the professors said, because Muslims found their manner of dress provocative and "believe that it is women who are responsible for rape."


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1 posted on 01/22/2003 4:41:10 PM PST by dennisw
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2 posted on 01/22/2003 4:41:49 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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3 posted on 01/22/2003 4:42:51 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Rid the country of the Clintons Donate $5 a month to Free Republic.)
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To: dennisw
Rape is against one of the protected groups, women. Thus, it is only excused when it is committed by a member of a group that is higher on the protected-group pecking order, like a Moslem, or an abortion-excusing politician.
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5 posted on 01/22/2003 4:46:11 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: dennisw
This makes me ill. Not long ago, there was an attack in Spain by a bunch of Muslim immigrants on two Spanish women and a man walking on the beach. They stabbed the man and raped one of the women (possibly the other one as well, but I only remember the poor woman whose boyfriend had been stabbed).

Of course, when the people of that town rose up to protest this, they were immediately called "racists" by most of the EU.

6 posted on 01/22/2003 4:46:27 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
When Bill Clinton won a second term, I flirted with the idea of Leaving the US. Now I am glad I never did. Europe was repugnant then, but this makes the EU look unlivable.
7 posted on 01/22/2003 4:53:20 PM PST by Cyclops08
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To: livius
I guess the Muslim take on this is that the poor men can't control themselves when confronted with the irresistable sight of feminine beauty.

There's a longstanding, highly effective solution for uncontrollable feral beasts:

8 posted on 01/22/2003 4:53:30 PM PST by mvpel
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To: dennisw
because Muslims found their manner of dress provocative and "believe that it is women who are responsible for rape."

Rape is about power, not sex. As long as their religion teaches them that they can't possibly control themselves, then that becomes their rationalization and a justification for behavior which they have little motivation to confront and change.

Personally, (and sadly) I'm not holding my breath about Muslim males becoming that enlightened. Morons

Prairie
9 posted on 01/22/2003 4:55:25 PM PST by prairiebreeze (May God save us from some of our "Allies"!)
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To: prairiebreeze
"Makes ya puke" bump.
10 posted on 01/22/2003 5:25:02 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: dennisw
I don’t know the specific of this case or the law in Norway but I want to offer a possible alternative explanation. If the Law is such that a mentally handicapped women is considered incapable of giving consent then any sex would be treated as rape by the law. "Overly friendly and polite behavior and a desire to contact strangers" could be code words for she was all over the guy and while recognizing her mental limitations he took advantage of the situation.
11 posted on 01/22/2003 5:26:41 PM PST by One More Time
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To: aristeides
[snip"by a member of a group that is higher on the protected-group pecking order, like a Moslem"

While I agree with you it would be hard for me to find a higher protected group then "female-mentally-challenged" but if as you say Muslim trumps that, then WOW!

If this is coming to the US in short order I had better move most of the people in my neighborhood are from the Mideast???
12 posted on 01/22/2003 5:29:16 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Be All the government allows you to be!)
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To: dennisw
he had only lived 12 years in Norway and so had difficulty understanding the victim's condition.

So a 12 year old child would have also have trouble understanding the victim's condition?

14 posted on 01/22/2003 5:37:52 PM PST by ibbryn
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To: dennisw
The court, after determining that the man was incapable of understanding Norwegian, Norway's laws, manners, or any other element undergirding civilization, allowed him to continue living in the country.

Obviously that undergirded civilization in Norway really isn't worth protecting, eh?!

15 posted on 01/22/2003 5:45:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dennisw
Rape is a weapon of power. Yes sometimes it can be about sex, but it is a tool of power to completely subjugate women. It has been used by every culture towards it's enemies. African tribes kidnap and rape other tribal women, some slave owners raped slaves, nazis raped jewish women, on and on ad nauseum.

Blaming rape on the female is nothing new in radical islam. I am not surprised about this at all. People shouldn't be surprised to find this thought form in radical islam. It was not so long ago I read that a woman was to be stoned to death for being raped and impregnated by her rapist (in Saudi Arabia or Nigeria not sure).
16 posted on 01/22/2003 5:47:21 PM PST by cyborg
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To: mvpel
Or behind bars and chained up for about 50 years until they learn some manners. But I have the feeling that their moon-god cult has left them unable to learn much of anything.
17 posted on 01/22/2003 5:49:31 PM PST by livius
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To: cyborg
a recent story featured a Pakistani woman (if memory serves---Muslim to be certain) that was gang-raped as punishment for her brothers heinous crime of being seen walking or talking with a woman.

Such backward thinking about what justice is should provide us all the insight we can stand as to why these fools are so difficult to share a planet with.

Prairie
18 posted on 01/22/2003 5:54:08 PM PST by prairiebreeze (May God save us from some of our "Allies"!)
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To: prairiebreeze
YES! I remember that story. If the anti-war protesters love that culture so much, maybe they should take their Gen Y Shakira-Brittany Spears-Mariah Carey butt-cutter panty wearing selves over there. Remember the riots in Nigeria when a newspaper article said Mohammed would pick a Miss World contestant? Well.. he was probably right and a lot of people died.
19 posted on 01/22/2003 6:30:35 PM PST by cyborg
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To: dennisw
Some years back there were stories coming out of Australia, IIRC, about a new trend developing among young muslim men. They were forming "rape-gangs", and would pick out pretty, white (non-muslim) teenage girls, and then viciously gang rape them and have "parties" to celebrate afterwards. They were clearly racial/religious motivated hate crimes, and the ones that were arrested made no bones about it. Any freepers out there remember anything about these news stories? I remember hearing it discussed on either the BBC or Australian Broadcasting Corporation shortwave services.
20 posted on 01/22/2003 8:04:47 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: thatdewd
check it out dewdski:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/search?s=australia+rape&ok=Search&m=all&o=time
21 posted on 01/22/2003 8:22:48 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: One More Time
"I don’t know the specific of this case or the law in Norway but I want to offer a possible alternative explanation."

Since you do not "know", and obviously have no idea of the documented propensity shown by Islamic immigrants worldwide to claim cultural ignorance as a defense for rape:

Why do you offer an alternative view?

This is not a debate forum.If it was, you lost with your first sentance.You know nothing about anything on the subject, but feel free to blame the rape victim for the crime of being raped.

Perhaps you have lost your way in the internet and need directions to "elsewhere".

22 posted on 01/22/2003 8:46:38 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: dennisw
I feel so much better knowing that NOW and the Feminist Majority will be doing all they can to bring these incidents to light!!! (add sarcasm anytime.)
23 posted on 01/22/2003 8:46:44 PM PST by LilithUnfair
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To: dennisw
Thanks for the link, I should have known FR would have it covered. Rape and murder seem to natural by-products of islam.
24 posted on 01/22/2003 8:49:19 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: dennisw
The court also ruled that the woman, because of her condition, did not have the necessary psychological strength to resist the man's desire for sex.

This case should not have been prosecuted, and is a waste of time to discuss. The majority of Muslim rapists do not pray on retards. It is no different in Norway than in Australia...Muslim men, particularly of Lebanese and Syrian descent (who tend toward gang rape), are a great danger to white women as a rule. The only way to deal with this problem is racial profiling, explusions, castrations, and executions for violent rapists.

25 posted on 01/22/2003 9:01:58 PM PST by montag813
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To: sarasmom
The judge obviously knows far more about the circumstances involved than you do, so the judge likely had a good reason for giving a lenient sentence. If you would take a little time and read a couple of articles here on FreeRepublic you might know that many of them are slanted to emphasis a point at the expense of the truth. My scenario fits the facts presented but would not support the Author’s agenda. Since you have not bothered to offer any facts I assume that you don’t have any.
26 posted on 01/22/2003 9:46:20 PM PST by One More Time
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To: aristeides
Well said!
27 posted on 01/22/2003 9:48:30 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: One More Time
The judge knows?

How on earth did you go from knowing nothing about anything about this case to backing the unknown judges decision?

Islam is peace!And rapists of mentally retarded infidel females are always excused.

You are not capable of rational discourse, based upon your posts.

Enjoy hades.

28 posted on 01/22/2003 10:09:55 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom
You are not capable of rational discourse, based upon your posts.

And your definition of "rational discourse" … let me guess: someone who always agrees with your preconceived notions?

29 posted on 01/22/2003 10:35:07 PM PST by One More Time
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To: One More Time
Last reply to one of your kind.

Raping a retarded female is not accepted as a normal accepted act by any normal adult human male.

Most males do not rape females, nor do they celebrate or condone the rape of females, retarded or not.

Men and women of normal intelligence do not require the judicial system to determine the definitian of an illegal and universally measuured immoral act.

There is no possible moral justification of rape.

Does your probation officer know you have internet access?

30 posted on 01/22/2003 11:10:20 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: montag813
Castrations would definitely scare them away from rape. These wackos like to castrate those they kill in battle. They are big on desecrating the dead. The fact they kill, win a battle, just ain't good enough for their pea sized brains. Their pleasure center ain't humming yet.
31 posted on 01/23/2003 2:35:19 AM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: thatdewd
Here's anudder by brudder:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/search?s=norway+rape&m=all&o=time
32 posted on 01/23/2003 3:14:45 AM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: dennisw
Need more armed women.

Then, the women can be excused for the inexperience of the Middle Eastern rapists.
33 posted on 01/23/2003 6:09:57 AM PST by Maelstrom (Government Limited to Enumerated Powers is your freedom to do what isn't in the Constitution.)
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To: dennisw
This course is being followed in most European countries. Muslims are demanding that they be given a religious exemption from the nation's laws. This wouldn't be worrisome in itself, but the fact that many nations are conceding to these demands is very troubling. Where does it end?
34 posted on 01/23/2003 9:37:26 AM PST by tdadams
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To: LouD
Iteresting you should make that connection. I've been thinking about that book and the middle-eastern/muslim sensibility for quite some time, but didn't dare bring it up.
35 posted on 01/23/2003 9:40:23 AM PST by SarahW
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To: sarasmom
Do you think it possible that the rapist didn't know that the victim was retarded? The judge thought so. Do you think it possible that the rape was actually consensual sex? Could it be that Norwegian law protects the retarded, in the same way that American laws protect minors - that is, the law states that certain people, by definition, are incapable of giving consent?
Taken together, these two possibilities suggest a third - that the judge acted correctly.
36 posted on 01/23/2003 10:14:24 AM PST by omaoilaodha
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To: SarahW
Before September 11th, I thought Jaynes was a nut. Now, I'm increasingly convinced that he was right, and the Islamic world has still not made the leap. For those of you who are unfamiliar with his work, here's a summary from the website of the Julian Jaynes Society:

At the heart of this book is the revolutionary idea that human consciousness did not begin far back in animal evolution but is a learned process brought into being out of an earlier hallucinatory mentality by cataclysm and catastrophe only 3000 years ago and still developing. The implications of this new scientific paradigm extend into virtually every aspect of our psychology, our history and culture, our religion—and indeed, our future. In the words of one reviewer, it is "a humbling text, the kind that reminds most of us who make our livings through thinking, how much thinking there is left to do."

(Jaynes) presents a theory of the bicameral mind which holds that ancient peoples could not "think" as we do today and were therefore "unconscious," a result of the domination of the right hemisphere; only catastrophe forced mankind to "learn" consciousness, a product of human history and culture and one that issues from the brain's left hemisphere. Three forms of human awareness, the bicameral or god-run man; the modern or problem-solving man; and contemporary forms of throwbacks to bicamerality (e.g., religious frenzy, hypnotism, and schizophrenia) are examined in terms of the physiology of the brain and how it applies to human psychology, culture, and history.

The website of the Jaynes Society can be found at http://julianjaynessociety.tripod.com/

37 posted on 01/23/2003 10:57:41 AM PST by LouD (Remember: Only you can prevent spurious statistical analysis!)
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To: LouD
His thesis is built on seriously outdated ideas of brain physiology and function, yet I do think, as with Freud, there is some biological truth underpinning *some* of his observations that led to his theories.

I don't wan't to get in trouble here, but there may well be some physical features of a more ancient mind that persist in middle-eastern populations.
39 posted on 01/23/2003 11:25:36 AM PST by SarahW
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To: dennisw
The women have to take blame for being raped! That is INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40 posted on 01/23/2003 12:52:27 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary?.......Me neither....)
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To: dennisw
he had only lived 12 years in Norway and so had difficulty understanding the victim's condition

Europe is a gonner.

41 posted on 01/23/2003 1:04:29 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: One More Time; sarasmom; dennisw
If you follow the link (we noted) you will get this:

Multiculturalists to Rape Victims: You Had It Coming

Yesterday we noted a New York Times article in which reporter Sarah Lyall opined that a Turkish immigrant's murder in Sweden of his 26-year-old daughter because she "dishonored" the family by adapting to Swedish mores is a "tragic emblem of a European society's failure to bridge the gap in attitudes between its own culture and those of its newer arrivals"--not of Islamic immigrants' failure to conform to civilized norms. Writing in Partisan Review, Bruce Bawer tells a story that shows where this kind of thinking leads:

In September 2001 (only five days, in fact, before the destruction of the World Trade Center), the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by "non-Western" immigrants--a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo (who was described as having "lived for many years in Muslim countries") as saying that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative.

One reason for the high number of rapes by Muslims, explained the professor, was that in their native countries "rape is scarcely punished," since Muslims "believe that it is women who are responsible for rape." The professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

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Any questions why the judge released the guy? I live in the Netherlands, and we got a judge (who now is the judge in the case of Volkert van der Graaf, the guy who shot Pim Fortuyn), who is a member of the PvdA (labor/socialists).

Not only that, but he was also involved in a scam with the forging of passports to let Iraqi refugees falsely claim asylumstatus in the Netherlands. He and his fellow-accomplices (other member of 'Refugeework, the organization were he was a member of the direction board) were not punished 'because they promised not to do it again'.

Do you think such a judge would punish such a rapist?

And believe me, Norway is even further down the socialists drain then the Netherlands is. There is no doubt in my mind that the judge in this case was appointed to set the rapist free to promote the multicultural society.
42 posted on 01/23/2003 1:38:33 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: dennisw
"We have certain standards of life that we believe are best for us. We do not ask other nations to discard theirs, but we do wish to preserve ours. Standards, government and culture under our free institutions are not so much a matter of constitutions and laws as of public opinion, ways of thought and methods of life of the people. We reflect on no one in wanting immigrants who will be assimilated into our ways of thinking and living. Believing we can best serve the world in that way, we restrict immigration."

Calvin Coolidge Says December 13, 1930
43 posted on 01/23/2003 2:16:31 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all; to thine own self be true)
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To: knighthawk
It should be noted as well that the sentence was originally 60 DAYS. Sick, and pathetic don't even start to describe this idiocy.
44 posted on 01/23/2003 2:38:51 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: One More Time
"he took advantage of the situation."

Yes, he certainly did. I'd like to take advantage of that 10" butcher knife in my kitchen and fix it so this guy couldn't 'take advantage' of anyone again.

45 posted on 01/23/2003 2:45:21 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: dennisw
So you get a 12-year pass on rape when you immigrate into Norway? I'll bet Bill is packing now.
46 posted on 01/23/2003 2:56:21 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: dennisw
Religion of Barbarians bump.
47 posted on 01/23/2003 3:48:54 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The meek shall inherit the Earth. The stars belong to the bold.)
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To: Centurion2000
I don't know about multiculturists, but Horticulturists are not trying to legalize rape.
48 posted on 01/23/2003 3:51:05 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: aristeides
Thus, it is only excused when it is committed by a member of a group that is higher on the protected-group pecking order, like a Moslem, or an abortion-excusing politician.

There does seem to be a pecking order of protected groups. A Republican can get impeached for kissing women (Packwood), A Democrat can rape, demand sexual favors, even drown women and it's fine with the feminists. 5 illegal Mexicans ---democrat voters -- can rape a Cuban-American in Central Park ---likely Republican voter and the feminists never raise a voice for her. Muslim men can freely rape and even murder women and the feminists will never speak out.

49 posted on 01/24/2003 2:16:11 AM PST by FITZ
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To: One More Time
Then how do you explain the ruined coat?
50 posted on 01/24/2003 7:09:49 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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