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Resident kills 2 intruders - Police: "In Texas, we maximize the idea of your home is your castle"
The Dallas Morning News ^ | January 24, 2003 | By TANYA EISERER and JENNIFER EMILY / The Dallas Morning News

Posted on 01/23/2003 8:59:18 PM PST by MeekOneGOP


Resident kills 2 intruders

Man probably won't face charges in home shootout

01/24/2003

By TANYA EISERER and JENNIFER EMILY / The Dallas Morning News

A Far North Dallas man who shot and killed two would-be burglars Thursday morning probably will not face charges, according to Dallas police and legal experts.

About 9 a.m. Thursday, the 29-year-old man was at home with his wife and three young children when a man knocked on the side door and asked for someone the resident did not know, police said.

One or both suspects then forced their way into the apartment, shooting the resident once in the arm, police said. The resident retreated to his bedroom, retrieved a gun, and a shootout ensued in the living room on Knoll Trail Drive near the Dallas North Tollway, police said.

"The preliminary investigation has determined that the homeowner apparently was justified in using deadly force in shooting the two intruders," said Sgt. Ken Sprecher, a homicide unit supervisor. "The investigation will continue, and the cases will be referred to the grand jury."

Legal experts said that because the resident returned fire to protect life and property, he probably won't face criminal charges.


Sgt. Ken Sprecher discusses the shootings Thursday until investigators arrived to collect evidence. Police said their first priority is to gather evidence before disturbing the crime scene.
(JOHN F. RHODES / DMN)

"In Texas, we maximize the idea of your home is your castle, and if intruders break in, they do so at their own peril," said Jerry Dowling, a criminal law professor at Sam Houston State University.

Police did not release the name of the resident Thursday. They said the intruders who were killed had not been identified.

Dallas County First Assistant District Attorney Mike Carnes said the county handles such incidents on a case-by-case basis.

Other states allow homeowners to use deadly force as a last resort - "when your back is to the wall," Mr. Dowling said.

A law professor for more than 30 years, Mr. Dowling said he never heard of district attorneys prosecuting a homeowner for defending property inside a residence.

Most often, he said, the district attorney will refer the cases to grand juries to serve as the "conscience of the community."

Grand juries typically decline to indict the homeowners, he said.

Dallas police say both intruders were shot inside the apartment Thursday. The resident, who is a business owner, was treated at Parkland Memorial Hospital and released.

One man was killed inside the residence, and the second man was found dead near a hedge outside the Kensington Square complex.


An agent photographs a broken glass door at the Far North Dallas apartment where two men were killed early Thursday.
(JOHN F. RHODES / DMN)

The dead man outside was wearing a red vest, jeans and black boots and had a latex glove on one hand. A gun was near his body, which remained uncovered for at least an hour until the medical examiner and crime scene investigators could arrive and collect evidence. Dallas police said that their first priority is to gather evidence before disturbing the crime scene and that it's rare for a body to be in public view.

Witnesses reported seeing a third man leaving in a large dark four-door vehicle, possibly a Cadillac.

The resident and his wife told authorities Thursday afternoon that they did not know the intruders, Sgt. Sprecher said.

Mike Tennis, 24, who was in the next-door condominium when the shooting occurred, said he was rattled by the gunbattle at what he thought was a secure community in a relatively safe neighborhood.

"They said it was a break-in," Mr. Tennis said. "I'm planning to move to another section of the complex. I would never have moved here if I thought this could happen. It's a beautiful area. It just proves this can happen anywhere."

Justifiable homicides aren't included in the year-end tallies that law enforcement agencies report to the state and FBI, so data aren't readily available, Mr. Dowling said. Most examples are anecdotal. Dallas police said they don't track such data.

Homeowners cleared of criminal wrongdoing by a grand jury could face lawsuits, Mr. Dowling said.

"The standard in criminal law is what the individual perceives," he said. "But the civil standard is more what the reasonable person would do. A reasonable person may act a bit differently than what the individual would have done."

Staff writer Jason Trahan contributed to this report.

E-mail teiserer@dallasnews.com or jemily@dallasnews.com


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/localnews/stories/012403dnmetshooting.646c6.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2killed; banglist; dallas; intruders; selfdefense; texas
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To: MeeknMing
The standard in criminal law is what the individual perceives," he said. "But the civil standard is more what the reasonable person would do. A reasonable person may act a bit differently than what the individual would have done."

I consider myself a pretty reasonable person, and I would say if someone starts shooting at you, then shoot back until well after they are dead.

101 posted on 01/24/2003 11:45:20 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: MeeknMing
Police did not release the name of the resident Thursday. They said the intruders
who were killed had not been identified.


Time for the home/condo owner to file a civil suit on the estate of the two perps...
who knows, they might have had some decent bank accounts somewhere...
maybe even shared assets with RICO-style family/friend criminal connections...

With a bullet in his arm, this fellow should go for the max in "pain and suffering".

And each of his wife and kids should file suit for all the "mental pain and suffering"
they underwent.

Folks have to fight back against these "animals that go about on two feet" with
every possible stick they can grab...
102 posted on 01/24/2003 11:46:52 AM PST by VOA
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To: Centurion2000
"Seriously though, the robbers got exactly what they deserved."

Two-thirds of them did, at any rate!

103 posted on 01/24/2003 11:59:22 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Long Tall Texan
Sounds like you have a good start on the home front!

Now get yourself a nice little snub nose .380 and a garter holster. If anyone tries to go for your goodies, he's gonna get a big surprise!

Stay well, safe, aware, and armed!
104 posted on 01/24/2003 12:15:40 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: DWSUWF
A fool and a coward. He wants to move? He should take an example from the guy that dusted the two intruders after taking a slug through the arm.

In Texas a man's home may be his castle, but not if he runs away like a scared jack-rabbit.
105 posted on 01/24/2003 12:24:01 PM PST by Melinator
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To: MeeknMing
Homeowners cleared of criminal wrongdoing by a grand jury could face lawsuits, Mr. Dowling said.

Hmmm, no witnesses for the plaintiffs. The defendent was shot with plaintiffs gun, defendent returns fire, nails plaintiff.

Sounds like a clear cut case of "'he said'-'he dead'".

106 posted on 01/24/2003 12:30:18 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: maxwell
Is that a direct quote of the powers that be?

No, it's something I dimly remember from a thread a week or two back about the hearing. If I recall correctly, there was no official reason given for the parole denial but the rumor mill had it as "a danger to burglars."

It figures. Liberal England has burglars coming out of its ears and they vote!

107 posted on 01/24/2003 1:58:30 PM PST by VadeRetro (They never mentioned this kind of thing in "Problems of Democracy" class back in high school.)
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To: MeeknMing
Sounds like a classic case of "They needed killin'.".
108 posted on 01/24/2003 2:16:33 PM PST by Mr_Magoo (Single, Available, and Easy)
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To: MeeknMing
The dead man outside was wearing a red vest, jeans and black boots and had a latex glove on one hand.

The guys break in and start shooting, and one of them has a latex glove -- presumably to fool the gunpowder test.

It suggests that they were there to shoot, not to steal -- which makes me think there's more to this story.

109 posted on 01/24/2003 2:20:33 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Dog Gone
A similar thing happened in New Orleans but the car owner
shot and killed one of the perps with 2 hits from a balcony 90 feet away at night.
That is some shooting. The grand jury refused to indict but
the DA was thinking about prosecuting him anyway. I doubt a jury would convict
him here though.
110 posted on 01/24/2003 2:44:21 PM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: NYTexan
"Now get yourself a nice little snub nose .380"

I recommend the Taurus Millenium, it is a hell of a gun
and resonably priced too.
111 posted on 01/24/2003 2:46:17 PM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: Moonman62
Maybe so, but the article has a very anti-gun, anti-self-defense slant. They make it seem like this guy is barely going to escape prosecution, and will be taken to the cleaners in a civil suit.

I think that is what the writer hopes, but in 50 years living in Texas I can recall only a handfull of cases where the dead guys heirs could even get a lawyer to file for them, winning is so hard. I only remember one case of anyone winning anything. The dead guy was a repo man taking back a truck from a driveway and the owner probably knew he was not an intruder. There wasn't any evidence for an indctment, but it wasn't a legit shoot.

So9

112 posted on 01/24/2003 2:58:40 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: oldcomputerguy
"Now get yourself a nice little snub nose .380"

Why, when there are a number of .45 automatics that will fit in the palm of your hand and have a gentler recoil?

So9

113 posted on 01/24/2003 3:01:28 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: MeeknMing
It's music to my ears and it makes my heart sing with gladness.

In New York and other liberal crackpot it looks like states you're supposed to let the intruders murder your wife and slit your throat rather than "take the law into your own hands."

What a crock!

Hurrah for Texas!
114 posted on 01/24/2003 3:04:50 PM PST by Odile
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To: VOA
Oklahoma bump...
115 posted on 01/24/2003 3:21:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (9 out of 10 Republicans agree: Bush IS a Genius !!)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Why, when there are a number of .45 automatics that will fit in the palm of your hand and have a gentler recoil?

Just in case I ever get "in the market", please list a few of these
compact .45s...
(thanks in advance)
116 posted on 01/24/2003 3:30:57 PM PST by VOA
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To: Mulder
bang

To be exact bang-bang.

117 posted on 01/24/2003 3:35:56 PM PST by Anticommie
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To: condi2008; humblegunner
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed)

Nine round magazine????

That ain't no Texan!!!


Stay safe; stay armed.


118 posted on 01/24/2003 7:47:55 PM PST by Eaker (I assemble automatic weapons in my sleep.......no wonder they never work!!!!!!. . . . .;>)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Taurus makes a .45 in the Millenium series too. The point
is that it is fine gun and great value.
119 posted on 01/25/2003 7:42:19 AM PST by oldcomputerguy
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