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Roe v Wade and the Rights of the Father
triCity News | 1/23/03 | Tommy DeSeno

Posted on 01/26/2003 12:16:03 PM PST by LonePalm

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To: Coleus; LonePalm
Please add me to your ping lists. Thanks.
41 posted on 01/27/2003 10:24:17 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Z in Oregon
Just incase you haven't been pinged already.
42 posted on 01/27/2003 10:26:38 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: LisaAnne
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/830179/posts
43 posted on 01/27/2003 10:29:50 AM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus; LonePalm

The Myth of Male Power

Why Men Are The Disposable Sex
by Warren Farrell
(Simon & Schuster, 1993) 446 pages.

In page after page, chapter after chapter, Farrell reveals mind-boggling facts that show that, contrary to the claims of the 'victim-feminists', women get preferential treatment in many areas of society, and that, as the title of the book indicates, men's power is a myth. Example: statistically, men make up far larger numbers of prison inmates. Is this because men are innately more criminal? Or is it because (1) women are considered less as suspects in crimes? or (2) women suspects do not usually receive the same degree of interrogation as male suspects? or (3) courts are far less likely to convict a defendant found guilty if that person's gender is female? or (4) a woman's prison sentence is likely to be significantly shorter than a male's for a comparable crime? or (5) when women have a male 'partner in crime', the male invariably takes the rap?

If men are the powerful sex, why do they make up 6 out of 7 suicides? Why do we accept that men, and men only, being sent in vast numbers to die in war? Why are 9 in 10 workplace deaths males? Why does breast cancer research receive over six times the funding that prostate cancer research does? Why do women live longer?

A masculinist bump for fathers rights.

44 posted on 01/27/2003 10:31:56 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
This is a troubling issue. Perhaps, before engaging in intercourse, both parties should be made to sign a contract stating that, should a pregnancy result from their actions, they agree to either one of the following:

1. To carry the baby full-term, and the father will be liable for support, or
2. The mother has her choice of what to do, but if she chooses to have the baby, the father will not be liable for support.

Of course, they have to read and sign this before alcohol and/or passion clouds their judgment.

ROFL...Instant shortage of Notaries Public...

45 posted on 01/27/2003 10:33:17 AM PST by CanisMajor2002 (Pro-Choice is a lie -- babies don't choose to die)
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To: stopsign
Have you read the book The Myth of Male Power? It is a good read. See my link above.
46 posted on 01/27/2003 10:33:45 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
No, but i will read your link.
I agree with your moto.
47 posted on 01/27/2003 12:33:05 PM PST by stopsign
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To: Pharmboy; Siobhan; Remedy; toenail; cpforlife.org
ping
48 posted on 01/28/2003 4:13:39 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: farmfriend
It Starts in Childhood, read "The War Against Boys". More boys are left back, are in special ed, drop out, get arrested, take drugs, get lower grades, and fewer go to college and are valedictorians.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684849577/qid=1010179628/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_3_1/002-0565676-2218456

http://umbc7.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/hoffsommers.html

http://search.dogpile.com/texis/search?q=%22The+War+Against+Boys%22&geo=no&fs=web

http://www.friesian.com/sommers.htm

http://www.cblpolicyinstitute.org/waragainst.htm

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/11-24-00/harder.html
49 posted on 01/28/2003 4:20:42 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
God saw fit to give me boys to raise. Nate just turned 14 and is a registered freeper. Ken will be 11 in March. I had to complain about one Vice Principal. She had a real sexual bias against boys. The girls could do no wrong even with witnesses.
50 posted on 01/28/2003 4:32:58 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the ping. This is a great article that I will share with my family (wife, 4 girls and a boy).
51 posted on 01/28/2003 4:43:11 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: LonePalm
I propose a "Father's Abortion." Let a Father petition the Court to terminate his own parental rights to his child after the chlid's birth. He would be rid of his obligations to that child in favor of his mental health and finances, the same as a woman does when she aborts.

Why should the father have to appeal to a court? The aborting woman doesn't; at most, she has to accept a pamphlet and promise to read it. Make paternal abortions safe, legal, "rare," and accessible, just like maternal abortions.

52 posted on 01/28/2003 4:56:37 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: LisaAnne
No law ever prevented "murder".

Tell that to the gangbangers, serial killers, mass murderers, and war criminals who sit in prison because of laws against murder. Tell that to their would-be victims, whose lives were saved by the laws against murder.

53 posted on 01/28/2003 5:00:05 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze
If you are looking for an arguement, you came to the wrong place. This is abuse. Arguements are next door. (Appologies to Monty Python.)

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

54 posted on 01/28/2003 5:57:06 PM PST by LonePalm (No one expects the Spamish Inquisition.)
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To: Caesar Soze; LisaAnne
They sit in prison because they committed murder. The law only punishes them. It did not prevent the murder.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

55 posted on 01/28/2003 5:59:12 PM PST by LonePalm (No one expects the Spamish Inquisition.)
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To: Coleus
Hello Coleus!

Tanks for da' post & da' ping. The author presents an excellent case, and hopefully it can help create problems for the industry of death. I would like to add a quote that, for me, rightly puts this article & thread in the proper context. (NOTE: I moved the last sentence first)

"The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign. America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. "

Mother Teresa (Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94)

56 posted on 01/28/2003 6:19:58 PM PST by cpforlife.org
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To: LonePalm
Men ARE allowed to vote on abortion. Furthermore all of the SC Justices who ruled in Roe v. Wade were men. So enough about men not getting a say in the issue.

In addition, the majority of decisions to abort , as well as the majority of decisions NOT to abort are a joint decision by both parents.

In the name of "equality" this author wanst to have an equal right to victimize children, only after they're born? That's taking the high road.

Abortion is decreasing. At its zenith 25% of pregnancies ended in abortion. That means the overwhelming majority of pregnancies (75%) were NOT aborted. The percentage is even less today. So the proposal is to punish the children who are NOT aborted in a twisted retaliation for ones who are? Makes no logical sense whatsoever.
57 posted on 01/28/2003 9:45:14 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Caesar Soze

"Reproductive Rights" is one of those public issues where the inequality between the sexes is rarely discussed.

Reproductive rights does not exist as a legal concept for men, and men are regularly told that they have responsibilities and not rights. A man has no "reproductive rights" that a woman is bound to respect, whether in nor out of marriage, to keep the baby or not. The only right that men have is to keep their pants zipped up, as the course of their lives and their hope for posterity is entirely dependent on the woman's "choice".

I remember hearing a feminazi screeching about how vital "reproductive rights " were for all human beings, insofar as their ability to determine the course of their lives is concerned. It got me to wondering how it is that no comparable "reproductive right" exists for men other than the right to keep your trousers zipped up. A man's income can involuntarily be confiscated to care for children that he does not want, affecting the course of his life. Under the law, he is utterly responsible to support any children with his DNA, and often even for those without it. In many states, women are allowed to ABANDON newborn children that they do not want at hospitals or firehouses, no questions asked. Men don't even have any "reproductive rights" in marriage, because his wife retains her "reproductive rights" if she "chooses" to exercise them.

I don't think either sex should have these "reproductive rights", and should deal with the concequences of a pregnancy, wanted or not. But if as the feminazi says, these rights are vital to human beings, than I wish to suggest the following remedies. An unmarried man, upon being promptly notified of an unwanted pregnacy by his mate, should have the option of a paternal veto (abortion) absolving him of financial and legal responsibility for the child. A married man who discovers that his wife has had an abortion against his wishes should recieve presumptive grounds for a divorce or annullment of the marriage, with the same holding true for one who concieves against his wishes.

Than again maybe the feminazi thinks that men shouldn't qualify for "reproductive rights" since she probably thinks men aren't human anyway.


58 posted on 10/22/2004 7:57:58 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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