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Christopher Reeves Republicans
TownHall.com ^ | February 5, 2003 | Robert Novak

Posted on 02/05/2003 8:50:45 PM PST by hocndoc

February 5, 2003

Christopher Reeve Republicans

WASHINGTON -- While President Bush's call for a federal ban on human cloning will bring no immediate congressional action, the New Jersey Legislature is moving at breakneck speed toward legalization. What's more, the state's Republican legislators are not impeding this rush toward passage, ignoring admonitions from the White House.

When the cloning bill passed the state Senate (evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans) late last year, not a single GOP senator voted no. A committee of the Democratic-controlled state Assembly unanimously approved the bill Monday, Republicans abstaining. With the GOP offering no opposition, the full Assembly is expected to pass the bill as early as next Monday and send it to Democratic Gov. James McGreevey. When he signs it, New Jersey would become the only state where human cloning is expressly legal.

"If New Jersey passes this legislation," said Marie Tasy of the state's Right to Life organization, which has led the opposition, "the Raelians should feel comfortable calling New Jersey home and setting up cloning labs in the Garden State." The bizarre is familiar in Trenton, where conflict-of-interest is common among state legislators, and Republicans are divided and leaderless. GOP legislators protest that the issue is too complicated to understand. They are clear, however, in not wanting to get on the wrong side of the bill's most visible advocate, paralyzed actor Christopher Reeve.

Republican lawmakers may be confused by claims from the bill's sponsors that it actually bans human cloning. They should read the Jan. 27 letter to Gov. McGreevey by four members of the President's Council on Bioethics (Robert George of Princeton, Alfonso Gomez-Lobo of Georgetown, William Hurlbut of Stanford and Gilbert Meilaender of Valparaiso University). They contend the bill "expressly authorizes the creation of new human beings by cloning" and "threatens to make New Jersey a haven for unethical medical practices, including the macabre practice of human fetal farming."

This measure would permit "somatic cell nuclear transfer" (SCNT) -- a process used in making a human clone. While supporters argue this is not cloning, the President's Council disagrees -- unanimously. It reported last summer that "the product of 'SCNT' is not only an embryo; it is also a clone, genetically virtually identical to the individual that was the source of the transferred nucleus, hence the embryonic clone of the donor." Even the minority of the council that does not oppose research cloning agrees that SCNT amounts to human cloning.

When the bill came before the Senate Dec. 16, the vote was 25 to 0 -- all 20 Democrats and five Republicans voting aye, the remaining 15 Republicans abstaining. The five GOP supporters included Sen. Joseph Kyrillos, who doubles as state party chairman. Kyrillos was reported by colleagues to have said in a party caucus: "We can't vote against Christopher Reeve." ("I don't remember saying that," he told me.) Kyrillos is pro-choice, as is another of the Republican five, Sen. Bill Gormley, a failed 2000 candidate for the U.S. Senate.

In Trenton, other Republican supporters did not worry about conflict with their day jobs. Sen. Robert Singer, co-majority leader of the Senate, works for the Community-Kimball Medical Center. Richard Bagger was talked about for governor before he resigned from the Senate Jan. 15 to take a promotion at the Pfizer pharmaceutical firm, where he was already employed at the time of the cloning vote.

Beyond the distinctive mores of Trenton, pro-choice sentiments pervade the money raisers and contributors of the Republican Party. Kyrillos is a close associate of the militantly pro-choice Lewis Eisenberg of Rumson, N.J., who last week was re-elected national finance chairman of the Republican Party. Kyrillos and Eisenberg both serve on the Republican Leadership Council, which pursues the election of socially liberal Republicans.

New Jersey's prospective status as a haven for human cloning may be short-lived. Republican Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, principal sponsor of legislation to ban human cloning nationally, received assurances Tuesday from Majority Leader Bill Frist that the measure will be considered once it comes over from the House (something that did not happen in the Democratic-controlled Senate the last two years). That may well happen by early autumn -- not enough time for New Jersey to become the breeding center for a brave new world.

©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: cloning; ethics; republicans; rights
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I could understand the 5 Republicans who voted to pass this bill: perhaps they genuinely believe clones aren't human. But, why would 15 of 20 Republican Assemblymen *abstain* from voting?

Injustice slips downhill while supposedly good humans do nothing.

1 posted on 02/05/2003 8:50:45 PM PST by hocndoc
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To: hocndoc; MHGinTN
I mistyped: the 15 passive Republicans were Senators of the State of New Jersey, not Assemblymen.


MHG,
Would you mind pinging your list?
2 posted on 02/05/2003 8:55:05 PM PST by hocndoc
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To: hocndoc
I loathe Reeves. He is just another Hollywood elistist who became a political activist after he fell off his polo pony. He succeeded in hijacking spinal injury charity organizations to divert funds from management of disabilities to research. He has his own nurses, therapists, physicians etc, but he wants more. He wants to walk again over the corpes of unborn babies, to be used for research. Oh, and now our elected officials are afraid to cross Reeves? Are they the same congress that invited stars, as experts, to testify on the subjects of insecticides, fire hazards and such? I think not!

Our Republicans should know better by now.
3 posted on 02/05/2003 9:30:26 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: hocndoc
Good for them. We ought not close the door on therapeutic cloning.
4 posted on 02/06/2003 3:06:11 AM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it is pretty bold talk......)
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To: RJCogburn; blam; Alamo-Girl; backhoe; Woahhs; Victoria Delsoul; William Wallace; f.Christian; ...
Your embrace of cannibalism is revealing of your inner person.
5 posted on 02/06/2003 8:43:15 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
BTTT!!!!!
6 posted on 02/06/2003 9:08:39 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Conservababe
I have no use for Reeve. OTOH, It's difficult for me to be too angry at someone who is paralyzed from the neck down. I don't think anyone knows for sure how they'd react if they were in Reeve's position, unless they had been there.

I don't particularly blame mothers who plead for their sons who have committed murder. People who have been through horrendous things often don't think clearly. However, the people who aren't in his position have an obligation to think clearly. This discussion always reminds me of the argument in Steve Martin's movie, "The Man with Two Brains"

"But dozens of people are getting killed for your experiments!"

"If it saves one life, it will be worth it!"

BTW, before his accident, I thought he was a classic Hollywierd dork.

7 posted on 02/06/2003 9:10:18 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: RJCogburn
Good for them. We ought not close the door on therapeutic cloning.

I agree as long as you don't define the scope of who should be killed for research too loosely. Be sure to allow enough leeway so that you yourself might qualify if divine wisdom permits it. Adult humans gots a whole lotta parts that might relieve someone else's suffering somewhere, somehow - or so a scientist guy told me. Name of Mengele.

8 posted on 02/06/2003 9:15:21 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Conservababe
Bump!
9 posted on 02/06/2003 9:17:58 AM PST by wardaddy (If you can't beat em, eat em)
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To: RJCogburn; Richard Kimball; Puddleglum; MHGinTN
The point that the State should be focusing on is that it is time we stop organ hoarding and open the door to therapeutic government-mandated tissue typing, for blood and live-donor organ draft and, for those too thin to have readily available excess skin flaps, mandated implantation of skin expanders!!

If one or a million humans may be created and harvested for their parts, why not you and me?

Current technology cries out for those blessed with complete livers to donate a lobe or two to the alcoholics in Hollywood and DC. No one *needs* 2 kidneys. Do you know how many burn victims and women with thin lips could be helped if your excess skin were donated?

Why, Mr. Reeves should volunteer to go first!

(end 21st century "Modest Proposal" parody)
10 posted on 02/06/2003 10:34:57 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: hocndoc; RJCogburn; Richard Kimball; Puddleglum; MHGinTN
Now, add in the power of the "Privacy Act":
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/836984/posts?page=9#9
11 posted on 02/06/2003 10:38:18 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: Conservababe
It's hard to fight him, though! Wherever he rolls his hi-tech wheels he gets a standing (pity) ovation. This reminds of Stephen Hawking's books becoming bestsellers, and most buyers never reading them! That said, last time I mentioned Reeve here I was immediately dissed by some fool who called him a hero! (And was probably standing up and clapping while he said it!) What can ya do? Cheap Sentiments 'R' Us!
12 posted on 02/06/2003 10:45:26 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: Puddleglum
Good for them. We ought not close the door on therapeutic cloning.

I agree as long as you don't define the scope of who should be killed for research too loosely narrowly. Be sure to allow enough leeway so that you yourself might qualify if divine wisdom permits it. Adult humans got a whole lotta parts that might relieve someone else's suffering somewhere, somehow - or so a scientist guy told me. Name of Mengele.

Pardon my typo: "loosely" should be "narrowly." Maybe some murdered baby cells would help me focus.

Carry on.

13 posted on 02/06/2003 11:16:45 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: hocndoc
(end 21st century "Modest Proposal" parody)

Swift is good - he is the uber-curmudgeon of all time.

14 posted on 02/06/2003 11:33:47 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: MHGinTN; RJCogburn
Your embrace of cannibalism is revealing of your inner person.

Therapeutic cloning sounds like an oxymoron to me too. As for those stating they would be victims if "therapeutic" cloning was not researched, it raises a sinister specter where the life and sanctuary of an embryo would not be worth the sanctuarless life of freaks who waste themselves doing tricks and then demand others to pay for their errors or accidents.

What is "therapeutic" cloning?

If if was growing skin on a dish from a skin cell, then fine, skin grafting is not a new thing. But if is to rape the truth participating sanctuaries of life and wombs so as to fix a bunch of reckless freaks who want their lives to be above that of truth, then it is completely illegal.

15 posted on 02/06/2003 1:07:12 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: Coleus
For your bump list...
16 posted on 02/06/2003 1:23:56 PM PST by agrace
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To: lavaroise
"" What is "therapeutic" cloning? ""
Excellent question, lavoroise.
Here's your answer:
http://www.bioethics.gov/cloningreport/terminology.html

The whole section is too good to cut and paste parts. But, I'll try:

"Others object to the term "therapeutic cloning" for related reasons. The act of cloning embryos may be undertaken with healing motives. But it is not itself an act of healing or therapy.iv The beneficiaries of any such acts of cloning are, at the moment, hypothetical and in the future. And if medical treatments do eventually result, the embryonic clone from which the treatment was derived will not itself be the beneficiary of any therapy. On the contrary, this sort of cloning actually takes apart (or destroys) the embryonic being that results from the act of cloning."

""Cloned human embryo: (a) The immediate and developing product of the initial act of cloning, accomplished by SCNT. (b) A human embryo resulting from the somatic cell nuclear transfer process (as contrasted with a human embryo arising from the union of egg and sperm).""

17 posted on 02/06/2003 5:14:09 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks!
18 posted on 02/06/2003 8:09:47 PM PST by 185JHP (Greedy, grasping "corporats" produce pernicious poison.)
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To: Puddleglum
Mencken with a conscience?
19 posted on 02/06/2003 8:14:17 PM PST by 185JHP (Greedy, grasping "corporats" produce pernicious poison.)
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To: agrace; PaulNYC; tsomer; Mixer; MattinNJ; OceanKing; TomT in NJ; Coleus; Alberta's Child; ...
Thanks, I posted it at the tail end of my thread last night:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/835376/posts?page=38#38

Pro-Life Bump

but what the heck, one more time won't hurt and the more people who FREEP the NJ Assembly from around the country the better, since it will let then know the country is watching, NJ is poised to be the baby-killing, frankenstein-making capital of the World, isn't that wonderful?

NJ Residents can contact their own assemblymen and Speaker Sires.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/Members/sires.asp
Assembly Speaker Re:Catholic
Albio Sires (D)
DISTRICT OFFICE ADDRESS: 303 58th Street
West New York, NJ 07093
PHONE NUMBER: (201) 854-0900
asmsires@njleg.org E mail not listed, I'm guessing it's this.

Sponsored by:
Assemblyman NEIL M. COHEN asmcohen@njleg.org
District 20 (Union)

Assemblyman JOHN F. MCKEON asmmckeon@njleg.org
District 27 (Essex)

Assemblyman MIMS HACKETT, JR. asmhackett@njleg.org
District 27 (Essex)

Assemblywoman JOAN M. QUIGLEY asmquigley@njleg.org
District 32 (Bergen and Hudson)

Co-Sponsored by:
Assemblyman Guear asmguear@njleg.org

Here is the bill as it is written:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2002/Bills/A3000/2840_I1.HTM
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2002/Bills/A3000/2840_I1.PDF

Lies About "Fetal" Stem Cell Research
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3fd0b84dba.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/759469/posts
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/

Wesley Smith on Cloning:

http://switch2.netrics.com/cgi-bin/nro.cgi?db=nationalreview&account=nro&collection=NRO&s=wesley+smith

http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax1.htm
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax2.htm
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax3.htm
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax4.htm
20 posted on 02/06/2003 9:18:52 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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