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Neal Boortz and Rush Limbaugh Tell The Truth
davesloan.com ^ | Dave Sloan

Posted on 02/07/2003 12:38:34 PM PST by county sheriff

Most of those who disagree with Neal and Rush are sent into such paroxysms by listening to them that their responses tend toward, "big fat idiot," "billious pig-faced bigot," and the like. Neal and Rush are extremely effective and powerful communicators. They change the way people think. They deserve real criticism.

Neal and Rush are guilty of a monstrous sin of omission. They tell a whole lot of truth, and, contrary to the knee-jerk critics, they tell it with a high degree of accuracy. The problem is that they tell selective truths. And, while appealing to the best in people with one hand, they appeal to the worst in us all with the other.

Neal and Rush know that most people are capable of making choices about their own destinies. And they know that free will is often mitigated by forces which the individual cannot control. They are intelligent adults and they have enough sense to know that many people are too sick and too broken to be able to choose their own destinies. It is wrong for Neal and Rush to teach only the truths which imply, over and over and over again, that these least ones among us are to be disregarded, and even disdained, for having made poor choices.

Neal and Rush tell a lot of truth about the ways liberal economic policies make things worse for everyone, including the poor. Yes, they offer cogent economic teachings and exhortations to individual perseverance and achievement. But from the other side of their mouths Rush refers to the homeless as "human debris;" and Neal refers to homeless persons frozen to death on winter nights as "bumsicles."

Yes, Neal, you are right-there are at least a few people in Atlanta who are homeless because they have failed to use their able minds and bodies to good ends. But Neal, what do you think becomes of the chronically mentally ill in America? Does the fact that they drink in the midst of their abandonment and degradation make them responsible for the genetics of their brain chemistry? Does the fact that they stink and grovel in the midst of their hopelessness make them responsible for the vicious cycle in which abuse is heaped upon the broken by the strong? Does the fact that somewhere you may be able to find a guy who froze to death out of laziness make it okay to laugh at all of the men and women who froze to death as the culmination of a life in which they never knew a moment's peace?

For an intelligent, mature adult to refer to the corpse of a schizophrenic as a bumsicle is evidence of pathological confusion.

Neal and Rush feel quite safe from criticisms of their "bumsicle," and "human debris", terminology. They cloak themselves in the righteousness of their cause of rugged individualism. Neal, Rush, just how rugged is it to induce in yourself and others a perverse state of blindness to so much of the human experience? Would not a truly rugged individual become strong enough to face the face of despair in our midst and make the tough choices about when, how, and whom to help?

Neither Rush nor Neal nor anyone else has ever achieved anything without receiving a lot of help along the way. Do they fail to see that such help is not distributed equally in this world?

The bizarre irony is that even though they do not care about the disenfranchised, they are often right about the failings in the economic policies of those who do care. Neal and Rush are correct about the inherent corruption found in the institutions and individuals who promise to redistribute the wealth.

But the masses of people, who do care in their guts about what happens to the needy, can't be expected to grasp the awesome irony of the fact that selfish, greedy capitalists like Neal and Rush are often right about what economic policies are best for the poor. The masses will listen, and reject what they hear on the basis of the essential absence of compassion. And Neal and Rush will continue to be bewildered as to why so many people can't grasp the basic truths in what they teach.

Neal, Rush, listen up--America doesn't care if you have your facts right--as long as what you promulgate is premised in selfishness, then it simply won't satisfy, and most of America will look elsewhere.


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To: county sheriff
homeless persons frozen to death on winter nights as "bumsicles."

Bumsicle ? That is the funniest darn thing I've heard in a long time. Not that I'm not compassionate and all.

81 posted on 02/07/2003 6:47:43 PM PST by CroftonFreeper
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To: TomB
The unemployment system is a state-mandated, government-run form of insurance, funded for the most part by the employers, though occasionally supplemented by general fund revenue in times of recession. The employees are the beneficiaries of the insurance program, and collect when they get laid off and can't find work.

The welfare system, OTOH, is an out and out forced transfer of wealth from taxpayers at large, to people who for the most part aren't interested in working.

Except for periods of extended high unemployment (such as currently) the unemployment systems isn't funded by taxpayers at all, though employers are compelled by law to participate and fund it. Also, the rates paid by employers are related to how many employees the firm has laid off: firms that lay-off the fewest employees pay the lowest rates... those which frequently lay-off lots of employees pay the highest rates.

The laid-off employee who collects is merely accepting the benefits of a insurance policy funded by his employer (much like health-care benefits). I don't see a moral dilemma for the laid-off employee. The person who has a legitimate gripe is the employer who is COMPELLED by law to fund the unemployment insurance. In a perfect world, unemployment insurance would be optionally offered by employers as a benefit to lure and keep employees, or purchased privately by the employee themselves.

82 posted on 02/07/2003 6:52:07 PM PST by longshadow
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To: TheBigB
Okay. I give.

PLEASE, WHAT IS A ZOT?

And how did the poster get banned already? Doesn't FR welcome differing opinions? (Even if it's only to poke fun at them?)

Thanks. ~~arasina~~

83 posted on 02/07/2003 6:56:50 PM PST by arasina
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To: marron
I have been reading FR for quite some time now and every once in a while I see a post (40) that is so right and eloquent. Yours is one that I will keep; and Can I quote it sometime?
84 posted on 02/07/2003 7:04:40 PM PST by allodialman
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To: iamfarouk
>>Limbaugh does ratiings. You must admit that,

Would never think of not doing so.

>and those that call themselves objective -- Jennings,
>Rather and Brokaw -- are hamstrung by their liberal
> bias (Please see Bernie Goldberg's "Bias").
>
>And those guys claim not to care about their ratings.
>
>Point: They do,

I always thought they were full of bovine scat for exactly that reason. They care, or they wouldn't be on the air. It's as simple as that.

"Journalistic objectivism" is a construct of journalists who have managed to pull the wool over the eyes of weak-minded, unthinking sheeple.

At least Rush doesn't pretend to play that game, and neither does Boortz.

>For example: When is the last time Rush called for the
>abolition of the Dept. of Education?

I don't know, I can't remember, but then I don't listen to Rush that much, just due to timing. Boortz screams about it all the time, was really upset with the first half of Bush's SOTU address because it didn't address things like this.

I say nuke the DOEducation, but I really can't pretend to comment on Rush's take. If what you say is true (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), it's a black mark on Rush, but sometimes you've got to take what you can get.
86 posted on 02/07/2003 7:33:47 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: iamfarouk
No, it's a made up word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sciamachist%20

No entry found for sciamachist.
88 posted on 02/07/2003 9:09:22 PM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: iamfarouk
It would help if you spelled your words right.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sciomachy

sciomachy

\Sci*om"a*chy\, n. [Gr. ?, ?; ? a shadow + ? battle: cf. F. sciomachie, sciamachie.] A fighting with a shadow; a mock contest; an imaginary or futile combat. [Written also scimachy.] --Cowley.

And there's still no ist.
89 posted on 02/07/2003 9:15:07 PM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: county sheriff
The bizarre irony is that even though they do not care about the disenfranchised, they are often right about the failings in the economic policies of those who do care. Neal and Rush are correct about the inherent corruption found in the institutions and individuals who promise to redistribute the wealth.

In other words, Communism is great on paper, it's just the imperfect implementation that's the problem.

90 posted on 02/07/2003 9:15:53 PM PST by Sloth
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To: iamfarouk
I give you all night to come up with a snappy answer to the unemployment insurance post, and you whiff. What's the matter, couldn't you find a relevant word in your "Dictionary of Big Words to Make You Sound Smart"?

Point: They do, and Limbaugh does as well, but Limbaugh is diverting conservatives from issues they should be concerned about.

Interesting that you should appoint yourself to be the arbiter of what conservatives should "be concerned about".

Abolishing the DoE (a Carter creation) was a pillar of Reagan's 1980 platform. Rush venerates Reagan on almost a daily basis. But blowing it off would be political suicide, as the present political thinking goes. So, Rush doesn't go there.

Considering that Reagan was actually president for eight years and the DoE is still around, using your wafer-thin "logic", Reagan wasn't conservative.

But DoE is stunting the minds of our most precious assets. Care to stand by and let that happen, simply because it is politically expedient? I don't think so. But Rush does.

And so did Reagan. It's called "pick your fights". But I still fail to see how his isn't "conservative" because he doesn't champion your issue.

91 posted on 02/08/2003 3:36:13 AM PST by TomB
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To: FreedomPoster
I say nuke the DOEducation, but I really can't pretend to comment on Rush's take. If what you say is true (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), it's a black mark on Rush, but sometimes you've got to take what you can get.

Our friend farouk is wrong. Rush does talk about the waste in washington, but he doesn't spend hours railing about getting rid of the DoE because he knows (as did Reagan), that it is a political impossibility at this time. Better to start with tax cuts and work your way backwards.

92 posted on 02/08/2003 3:49:14 AM PST by TomB
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To: iamfarouk
So what is your source?
93 posted on 02/08/2003 5:31:43 AM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: iamfarouk
For example: When is the last time Rush called for the abolition of the Dept. of Education?

Not in the last two weeks ... he's been on vacation. The week before he did blast Bush for increasing spending and for not decreasing the size of government. In particular, he mentioned the DOE as a prime candidate.

You have made many many accusations in this thread and have failed to document ONE of them. Others have offered the sources of their claims. I would maintain that you are the one who is erring in his statements, not Rush.
94 posted on 02/08/2003 5:42:40 AM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: Zathras
Just for this post, I'm buying every book by Rush and Boortz. ;)
95 posted on 02/08/2003 6:01:52 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: arasina
PLEASE, WHAT IS A ZOT?
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96 posted on 02/08/2003 6:21:54 AM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: county sheriff
<< what do you think becomes of the chronically mentally ill in America? >>

What happens to them is that the Communist Party "of" America-descended Ultra-Liberal Anti-American Terrorist Gang that self-styles itself the "aclu" sues to put them all on America's streets where they can be cynically used [As are about fifty generations of "palestinian" refugees by the islamofascist Arabs] by the aclu and its fellow ultra-liberal anti-American terrorist gang crime-family members when they all want to create the illusion that they all "care" more than do we conservatives about the chronically mentally ill in America that we conservatives used to keep safe and well in hospitals especially provided by we conservatives for America's chronically mentally ill!
97 posted on 02/08/2003 10:10:29 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: county sheriff
looks like a TBTM ZOT

there's a new sheriff in town and it aint you
98 posted on 02/08/2003 10:15:33 PM PST by finnman69 (!)
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To: iamfarouk
Conservative Rush got money he didn't put in, as you admit.

That's called theft

It's one thing to argue a point. It's quite another to put an emotional rant into the guise of an argument. That latter is hard to do and you are doing it very badly.

Rush is an entertainer. I don't think anyone disputes that with you.

But there is a huge difference (or is that hugh) between insurance and welfare. If you pay several hundered dollars a month in homeowners insurance, and it burns down after 5 months giving you a loss payout of $100,000, you are not stealing. You held up your end of the contract and the insurance company held up theirs. That's how insurance works.

It's OK if you dislike Rush. But do so with dignity.

Shalom.

99 posted on 02/10/2003 5:30:36 AM PST by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: AnnaZ
But there is no help for those who don't want to "move on up" to a world of bills and responsibilities and alarm clocks and bosses. Their nature is parasitic. Their sin is sloth. And their tool is our guilt.

That's a quote for the record books. Very well said.

Shalom.

100 posted on 02/10/2003 5:32:56 AM PST by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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