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From Excitement to Horror: Columbia's Last Flight Online (New York Times)
New York Times and Free Republic.Com | 9 Feb 03 | Tom Kuntz

Posted on 02/09/2003 4:02:34 AM PST by leadpenny

New York Times Week in Review

From Excitement to Horror: Columbia's Last Flight Online

By TOM KUNTZ

The 1937 Hindenburg airship disaster was carried live to a large radio audience. The 1986 space shuttle disaster happened live on network television before millions of stunned viewers. Almost from the beginning, the 9/11 attacks were broadcast live worldwide.

Last weekend's shuttle disaster also unfolded live, but the primary medium was arguably not radio or television. It was the Internet. A small audience of space enthusiasts learned of trouble in real time by tuning in to mission control in Houston via NASA TV's Webcast (also available via satellite dish and some cable providers).

Some of the shuttle trackers in the western United States also kept an eye on the skies, and shared their impressions online. An illustration of their reactions, moving from excitement to confusion to horror, can be found in an online discussion for shuttle buffs on the Free Republic Web site; it was begun by a reader 38 minutes before the Columbia's scheduled 9:16 landing (www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/833885/posts).

The first sign of something wrong comes at 9:05 — at least 11 minutes before The Associated Press moved the first wire-service alert and the TV networks began live coverage (which had the first video of the breakup, shot minutes before).

Excerpts from the online discussion follow. All times are Eastern unless otherwise noted.

The discussion was begun by "leadpenny" at 8:38 a.m.:

Space shuttle Columbia is in a descent for the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and will pass over the San Francisco area around 6:00 a.m. Pacific Time. Route will take the shuttle over Las Vegas, Flagstaff, etc. NASA has still not decided which runway will be used. Landing will be at 9:16 a.m. Eastern.

From leadpenny at 8:42:

I'm watching on NASA TV but I believe you can also watch at nasa.gov. Just north of Hawaii now.

From SamAdams76 at 8:42:

As I write this, the Shuttle should be re-entering the atmosphere of the planet Earth.

From leadpenny to SamAdams76 at 8:44:

We can only hope.

From winodog at 8:53:

I am up and in Vegas. Sounds like I better put some shorts and a T-shirt on and go outside to watch.

From leadpenny to winodog at 8:54:

Just a few minutes away from you.

From leadpenny to winodog at 8:56:

45 miles overhead just to the north of you.

From ken in texas to leadpenny at 8:56:

Supposed to be passing by around 8:03 [C.S.T.] here in Dallas. Getting ready to check it out.

From winodog at 8:57:

Wicked!!!! I was just in time to see it streak across leaving a white trail.

From leadpenny to ken in texas at 8:57:

Hope you have clear skies.

From leadpenny to winodog at 8:58:

Was it glowing at all?

From winodog to leadpenny at 9:00:

It came from just north just like you said. I was out looking already. As soon as I read the time it hits S.F. and touchdown time I knew I better hurry up. That is on the list of cooler things I have ever seen. Thanks!

From leadpenny at 9:01:

15 minutes to touchdown. Heads up north of New Orleans.

From winodog to leadpenny at 9:03:

It wasn't a glow that spread back like a comet but it must have been "on fire" because it was bright and big.

From ken in texas to leadpenny at 9:04:

Perfectly clear . . . what a sight!!!!!

From leadpenny at 9:05:

Little commo [communication] problem right now.

From leadpenny at 9:07:

Still no UHF commo. They gotta have backup.

From leadpenny at 9:08:

Seven minutes to touchdown.

From leadpenny at 9:11:

No commo for the last 11 minutes. Five minutes to touchdown.

From leadpenny at 9:13:

Don't know if anyone is watching NASA TV but it is awfully quiet.

From leadpenny at 9:13:

By now there would have been cameras on the shuttle.

From leadpenny at 9:15:

Don't know about the controllers but my pulse is going up. They are still seeking tracking data. Going to contingency procedures.

From don-o at 9:15:

Contingency procedures.

From leadpenny at 9:15:

Folks we are at touchdown. Something is wrong.

From ken in texas to leadpenny at 9:15:

An unsettling quiet. I hope all is well.

From nicepaco to leadpenny at 9:16:

Hope they find them soon.

From SMEDLEYBUTLER to leadpenny at 9:17:

No radar track either. Hope everything is all right and this is only a technical snafu. Should be visible from the Cape [Canaveral, Fla.] by now.

From leadpenny at 9:17:

Everyone, check the networks.

From 1john2 3and4 to ken in texas at 9:17:

This really happened: got to this thread, clicked on browser to get NASA TV, heard sonic BOOM, Fort Worth (just after 8 a.m.), run outside, MASSIVE contrail leading right into the eastern sun. . . . . . . awesome!

From SamAdams76 to leadpenny at 9:19:

I hope everything turns out okay.

From leadpenny at 9:19:

It should already be down. Nothing!

From don-o to leadpenny at 9:20:

Folks, I fear the worst has happened.

From leadpenny at 9:21:

The Columbia was making four drastic turns over the Western U.S. to dissipate speed. That's the last they heard from it.

From don-o to leadpenny at 9:24:

Anything on TV, besides NASA TV?

From McGruff to leadpenny at 9:24:

This is scary! I was monitoring your thread when MSNBC started having someone on who was saying: "We should have seen it by now. It should be here by now."

From My back yard to McGruff at 9:26:

Prayers going out. Hope they aren't too late.

From leadpenny to McGruff at 9:27:

They should have had cameras on it about 10 minutes out. I fear the worst.

From 1john2 3and4 to My back yard at 9:28:

Prayers

From SMEDLEYBUTLER to leadpenny at 9:29:

Unconfirmed reports of debris discovered in Texas. Looks as though the shuttle has been lost. God bless the crew.

From McGruff to leadpenny at 9:29:

CNN showing video of it breaking up over Dallas! It's gone!

From leadpenny to ken in texas at 9:30:

You may have been the last to see the Columbia.

From 1john2 3and4 to leadpenny at 9:35:

Dear lord . . . what I heard was the EXPLOSION! not a sonic boom.

From leadpenny to 1john2 3and4 at 9:36:

Are you in Texas?

From 1john2 3and4 to leadpenny at 9:40:

Yes . . . Ft. Worth.

From Molly Pitcher to ken in texas at 9:47:

It's said to have broken up over Dallas. Was it intact when you saw it? Or did you see multiple trails?

From ken in texas to Molly Pitcher at 9:53:

At first I was just in awe of the sight. After it passed from view I realized that something just didn't look right. Instead of just one glowing spacecraft it looked as if there were smaller glowing pieces moving off and away from it. In retrospect, I realize that it was breaking apart.

From Molly Pitcher to ken in texas at 10:10:

Okay. Thanks, the fellow in Vegas just ahead of you probably saw it intact then.

From My Favorite Headache to leadpenny, 1:17 p.m.:

This thread needs to be saved as a piece of symbolic history . . . of the last moments of Columbia.

From seamol to leadpenny; don-o; ken in texas; winodog; 1john2 3and4; all, 11:48 p.m.

Thank you for your contribution to history today.


TOPICS: Extended News; Free Republic; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: columbia; columbiatragedy; eyewitnessaccounts; feb12003; fr; freerepublic; historyinthemaking; nasa; newyorktimes; spaceshuttle; sts107
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1 posted on 02/09/2003 4:02:35 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Jim Robinson
Free Republic Ping.
2 posted on 02/09/2003 4:04:26 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Allan
Bump
3 posted on 02/09/2003 4:08:36 AM PST by Allan
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To: SamAdams76; winodog; ken in texas; don-o; nicepaco; SMEDLEYBUTLER; 1john2 3and4; McGruff
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4 posted on 02/09/2003 4:09:21 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
God bless that wonderful crew.......and their families; and you, as well, for providing such a record for posterity.
5 posted on 02/09/2003 4:10:09 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: leadpenny
Wow! FR makes the Times! I must be dreaming!
6 posted on 02/09/2003 4:11:05 AM PST by JennysCool
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To: My back yard; Molly Pitcher; My Favorite Headache; seamole
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7 posted on 02/09/2003 4:12:51 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: visitor
Good morning, again.
8 posted on 02/09/2003 4:14:32 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I recall the thread and am glad that we got the press (tragic event that it was, the final voyage was observed and marvelled at by those who did not realize what they were truly seeing).

I have to wonder though if they learned of the FR thread from FR or the DU thread that pointed at it (after the fact).

9 posted on 02/09/2003 4:15:41 AM PST by weegee
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To: weegee
Don't know. But, to Tom Kuntz, thank you for a nice piece and thank you from the FreeRepublic community.
10 posted on 02/09/2003 4:19:47 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; Jim Robinson
Oh my Gosh! Well, lead!! Hardly know what to say!
11 posted on 02/09/2003 4:20:16 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (Praise God from Whom all Blessings Flow....)
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To: Molly Pitcher; leadpenny
WOW youse guys made the big Times!!!!
12 posted on 02/09/2003 4:22:39 AM PST by Neets (<-----Official ATRW Morning Drive Cheerleader)
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To: JennysCool
Wow! FR makes the Times! I must be dreaming!

I expect a surge in traffic once NY Times subscribers read this. And with that, a whole new crop of disruptors. It will be busy enough with war imminent -- I sure hope JimRob and company are prepared! I can't imagine what I'd do if FR were down during the opening hours of the war. I've become spoiled, expecting to read of breaking events within seconds of their occurrence!

13 posted on 02/09/2003 4:24:34 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (Let's Iraq and Roll!)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
"I've become spoiled, expecting to read of breaking events within seconds of their occurrence"


Same here... as a matter of fact, I hit Free Republic as soon as I heard the shuttle was gone. I kept reading updates before they hit the news on the TV behind me.

14 posted on 02/09/2003 4:28:39 AM PST by Tamzee (There are 10 types of people... those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: leadpenny
You realize, of course, that your thread is going into the history books -- already there if you consider that the Times gets microfilmed by most libraries. I have archived the first 150 posts.
15 posted on 02/09/2003 4:29:05 AM PST by js1138
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I was just thinking the other way. Drudge linked a Paglia thread yesterday and now this.

Welcome to new Lurkers and Members. We don't bite, usually.

16 posted on 02/09/2003 4:29:25 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
There was a picture posted earlier of a family smiling with the debris.
17 posted on 02/09/2003 4:34:11 AM PST by djf
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To: Tamsey
I always come here first for breaking news. It's interesting that this ran in the Times at all, considering THEIR source had to be the Wall Street Journal. How humiliating.
18 posted on 02/09/2003 4:37:00 AM PST by js1138
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To: leadpenny
good going and for all those in mid-life...

"And still, they were willing to chase the dream, to soar along an upward arc rather than concede to limits."...rto

19 posted on 02/09/2003 4:38:52 AM PST by visitor (Thank God George Bush Won)
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To: visitor
And for those of us almost past mid-life. :)
20 posted on 02/09/2003 4:44:42 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
You did FR proud with that thread, leadpenny. WTG!
21 posted on 02/09/2003 4:45:29 AM PST by MamaLucci
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell; Admin Moderator
Not to fear...check out the Admin Moderators posts on this thread....and although they are keeping a watchful eye out for disruptors, it's important that we do the same and post a ZOT alert whenever we notice a disruptor

Hey, mods...lighten up a little

22 posted on 02/09/2003 4:52:42 AM PST by Neets (<-----Could always get a job as a Walmart greeter if the RIF strikes)
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To: JennysCool
FR makes the Times. I must be dreaming.

In twenty years you will be dreaming if there is a New York Times left to quote on Free Republic! ;-)

The Old Gray Whore is running out of tricks.
23 posted on 02/09/2003 4:56:30 AM PST by cgbg
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To: MamaLucci
Thank you, but I believe it's all of the FReepers, who come through on these kind of threads, with their vast knowledge and expertise, that do us proud.
24 posted on 02/09/2003 5:00:20 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Absolutely. :)
25 posted on 02/09/2003 5:04:47 AM PST by MamaLucci
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To: leadpenny
After lurking on FR for about two years, I joined up last fall. When I first heard the news about the Columbia, FR was the first place I turned to. Breaking news and commentary that just can't be found anyplace else.

It's great to see FR get some notice like this. Thanks for posting this article.
26 posted on 02/09/2003 5:22:57 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: IndyTiger
The revolution wasn't televised; it was FReeped. ;-)
27 posted on 02/09/2003 5:32:17 AM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: leadpenny; Jim Robinson
Wonders never cease. Thanks again, Leadpenny, and all who were on that thread.

(To new Free Republic readers sent here by the NYTimes mention of this website:

1. Yes, this is the number one live news site anywhere.

2. FR has the best corps of citizen reporters in the world.

3. But there's SOOOO much more. Come on in. Stay awhile. Get an education unlike anything you can find anywhere. Allow the truth to seep in. At first you may be offended to learn that everything you have always believed as fed you from the same sources through the years is - well - not true. But if you can possibly swallow your hurt pride and just open your mind and READ and THINK - the blinders will fall off - and the TRUTH will, indeed, set you free!

28 posted on 02/09/2003 5:33:50 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: IndyTiger
Isn't that the truth? I've often said that the internet and Free Republic were invented just for me.
29 posted on 02/09/2003 5:37:45 AM PST by leadpenny (Al Gore (he said he invented the internet) and Jim Robinson - - My heros!)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Nicely said.
30 posted on 02/09/2003 5:41:36 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
DU got nothing on us!!!
31 posted on 02/09/2003 6:01:46 AM PST by netmilsmom (Bush/Rice 2004)
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To: leadpenny
I've often said that the internet and Free Republic were invented just for me.

I've been wondering lately why other web sites haven't duplicated the FR model. It's really quite brilliant in its simplicity. Perhaps it really can't be duplicated, because it requires a large, geographically-dispersed user base of intelligent, well-reasoned people who are willing to pay money to keep ads away. And we're all already here, so who would drive a similar site? Liberals? HA! They'd probably demand that tax dollars pay for it!

32 posted on 02/09/2003 6:04:25 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (Let's Iraq and Roll!)
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To: leadpenny
Good job. :)
33 posted on 02/09/2003 6:04:54 AM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I like it when FReepers answer their own questions. LOL.
34 posted on 02/09/2003 6:12:18 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
The NYTimes is reduced to copy 'n' paste from FR. LOL! They just picked up what was on Opinion Journal (Tarranto)

And mega-props to leadpenny!
35 posted on 02/09/2003 6:18:29 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: leadpenny; bonesmccoy; Jim Robinson; All
Thanks for the yoeman's work you and all FReepers did then and since in keeping us informed. If you want to peruse a technical discussion of the event, aftermath, and preliminary conclusions, you will find no better thread than the one started by bonesmccoy and with comments/analysis from some very knowledgeable FReepers here:
Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter
[Opens in new window]

Thanks to you all, and especially Jim for maintaining the forum.

36 posted on 02/09/2003 6:21:56 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: leadpenny; Jim Robinson
This is very good news.

We also, FWIW, have the absolute best technical discussion thread on the loss of Columbia, as I predicted we would on the afternoon of 2/1/03.

Bravo, JimRob!

37 posted on 02/09/2003 6:33:22 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: leadpenny
A routine thread turns out to be an important piece of history. You and the others on the thread did a great service and deserve recognition. Glad to know you, leadpenny.
38 posted on 02/09/2003 6:55:01 AM PST by Angelwood (Prayers and condolences to the friends and families of the Columbia Shuttle crew.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Since the NYT tried to sue JimRob and FR for "illegal" use of 'their' material, do you think you should sue the NYT for 'illegal' use of FR's material?

Naw, nevermind. FReepers aren't that petty. :)

39 posted on 02/09/2003 6:56:01 AM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I've been wondering lately why other web sites haven't duplicated the FR model. It's really quite brilliant in its simplicity. Perhaps it really can't be duplicated, because it requires a large, geographically-dispersed user base of intelligent, well-reasoned people who are willing to pay money to keep ads away.

When Jim started this there were many other discussion groups of all sorts around the web.

I think Jim deserves a lot of credit for expanding the site as needed to keep it running smoothly.

By attracting a lot of people who actually work for a living Jim now has posters almost everywhere where anything is happening.

Since most of those folks would _never_ talk to a reporter for fear of losing their jobs FR can get a lot of information from the worker bees who make the country work while the reporters are spun by the PR brigades found throughout all major institutions.

We can't be spun--and thanks to Jim we can no longer be silenced!

P.S. You could be standing next to me in one of "liberal hells" we know as "Eastern cities" and you would never know it because I never talk politics or religion with strangers. I guess we really do need a "secret handshake". ;-)
40 posted on 02/09/2003 6:58:15 AM PST by cgbg (Liberalism is a disease. FR is the cure.)
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To: leadpenny
btt
41 posted on 02/09/2003 6:58:36 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: leadpenny
did you see this part in the top of the story?


WORD FOR WORD | FREEREPUBLIC.COM
From Excitement to Horror: Columbia's Last Flight Online
By TOM KUNTZ



42 posted on 02/09/2003 7:03:07 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: leadpenny
Thank you and the others for representing us so well.
43 posted on 02/09/2003 7:07:44 AM PST by Registered
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To: TLBSHOW
No, I didn't. Extra plug.

I plead ignorance. Would this be in the paper copy of the NYT?

44 posted on 02/09/2003 7:10:16 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Ideology aside, Free Republic is the place for breaking news. Many's the time I've heard a bulletin on the radio or TV, immediately logged on to FR, and noted the presence of multiple threads, each with dozens of comments and links to news sources -- whichever one happens to be fastest on a given story. That, for me, was the case with the Columbia disaster. No matter how tragic the news, you need it fast. In this case, one great benefit of Free Republic was its calming influence, in the quick dispelling of any concerns that this might be a terrorist attack.

More riviting still, of course, are those occasions when one is already logged on to Free Republic when news breaks. For me, an unforgettable moment was the Wellstone "Memorial," which I watched on TV while simultaneously FReeping. This board lit up like the Tokyo skyline at night, and posters and lurkers here realized the implications of that event HOURS before the national media started to "get it."

Good article by the Times. I hope it gets Free Republic a little well-deserved attention.

45 posted on 02/09/2003 7:14:12 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina (optional tag line, printed after my name)
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To: leadpenny
I am running out to get a copy just in case. By the time this is done every paper across the world will have written something about Your thread and Freerepublic and all super positive.....
46 posted on 02/09/2003 7:19:14 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: djf; leadpenny; Molly Pitcher; 1john2 3and4; ken in texas
Family smiling with debris?!!!

How utterly sad.

You folks who tracked this last week have my absolute admiration.

Thank you for doing such a professional job of tracking a piece of history.

I felt useless all week long not being able to do anything, until I had my class write letters of condolence to the Johnson Space Center. (I also had my first graders watch the memorial.)

It was the least I could do, and felt better about contributing something.

God Bless you guys!

47 posted on 02/09/2003 7:19:40 AM PST by Northern Yankee (We... Band of Brothers!)
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To: winodog
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48 posted on 02/09/2003 7:26:29 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: leadpenny
And for those of us almost past mid-life. :)

Never admit to that, especially to the children! They'll mistake it for a sign of weakness . . .             ; . )

49 posted on 02/09/2003 7:28:01 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: leadpenny
I get chills eveytime I re-read this post. I shared y'alls observations with my friends at work. It had the same effect on them.

Good job!

50 posted on 02/09/2003 7:32:18 AM PST by SeeRushToldU_So ( Something witty, etc, etc....)
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