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FEATURE-Outcast smokers now U.S. state budget saviors - Boy do they have THIS one right!
IWon.com ^ | February 7, 2003 | Karen Pierog

Posted on 02/09/2003 7:21:54 AM PST by SheLion

CHICAGO, Feb 7 (Reuters) - They're pariahs in restaurants, outcasts in offices, and taxed to the max on their cigarette habit, but smokers are coming to the rescue of state budgets.

Governors coming off election battles with promises of no major tax increases are proposing that smokers pay higher cigarette excise taxes as a way to help fill gaping holes in state budgets.

They are also counting on smokers to keep buying cigarettes despite the higher taxes so states can generate an estimated $246 billion they are expecting to receive over 25 years from settlements with U.S. tobacco companies.

Meanwhile, the number of places where smoking is permitted are shrinking in several cities, where bans -- particularly in restaurants -- have been proposed or enacted.

"It's almost like a new apartheid. Instead of being race it's habit," said Neil McGregor, owner of Port Royal, a tobacco shop in Toledo, Ohio, who was part of a group that successfully battled a county health department-imposed smoking ban last year. "And it's being demonized with the huge amount of money that came from the tobacco settlement."

He estimated that up to 35 percent of Ohio tobacco sales have migrated to the Internet as the state's budget woes led to a cigarette tax hike last year and another proposed tax increase this year.

PRESSURE TO QUIT

"I think if you continue to increase cigarette prices at the same rate and make it difficult for people to smoke, there will be an increase in the decline of smoking," said Wesley Moultrie, a tobacco company analyst at Fitch Ratings.

A decrease in smoking would translate into a decline in tobacco sales, which in turn would mean less money going to states under the settlement agreements, although that was a long way off, he said.

"Firms so far have been able to manage through it," Moultrie said, adding however, "that threat is real and is still out there."

A recent Fitch report showed that 21 states increased their cigarette taxes last year to help fill budget shortfalls or to encourage smokers to quit. Smokers in New York City pay $1.50 in a state tax, which last year was raised 39 cents per pack, and another $1.50 in a city tax. As a result, Fitch said cigarette sales in the nation's most populous city have fallen significantly.

Tobacco companies contend that imposing higher taxes on smokers drives them to buy from untaxed sources such as Indian reservations and the Internet, encourages the overseas production of counterfeit cigarettes and promotes interstate smuggling -- factors that eventually cut into states' tax collections.

"It just doesn't seem to make sense in the long run," said John Singleton, public affairs director at R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company (RJR), pointing out that governments need a more reliable source of revenue.

Many states are revisiting cigarette taxes this year as a way to help fill budget gaps made wider by the national economic slowdown. Facing a whopping budget deficit estimated between $26 billion and $34.8 billion over 18 months, California Gov. Gray Davis has proposed a $1.97 per pack cigarette tax, which would be the highest among the states.

Governors in states such as New Jersey, Delaware, Missouri, Indiana, Georgia and West Virginia have also included cigarette tax hikes in their proposed budget fixes.

"They need the money and they go where they think they can get away with it," said Andy Ludlow, treasurer of FORCES (Fight Ordinances & Restrictions to Control & Eliminate Smoking), a nonprofit group started in 1995 that opposes smoking bans and campaigns for smokers' rights.

He said his organization, with around 2,000 dues-paying members, faces an uphill battle against other well-funded anti-smoking groups such as the American Lung Association.

"We're fighting against people who rake in hundreds of millions of dollars," Ludlow said. "There's no way we can go against them."

Indeed, some tobacco settlement money is being used to fund anti-smoking efforts, although states have increasingly siphoned off those funds to patch their budgets.

Unlike the anti-smoking faction, smokers, who make up roughly 23 percent of the adult population, lack a united front and receive no monetary support from tobacco companies to battle taxes or bans, according to Ludlow and others.

SMOKING BANS ENACTED

Dallas was one of the most recent cities to tighten restrictions on smoking. The city council last month passed an ordinance banning smoking in public places such as restaurants, bingo parlors, bowling alleys and beauty shops, effective March 1. March will also bring a sweeping smoking ban to New York City, in virtually all workplaces, including restaurants, bars and nightclubs.

Chicago is even considering ordinances that could stop people from lighting up on golf courses and in sports stadiums.

The smoking ban movement makes sense as people have an increased understanding of the harm of second-hand smoke, said Bronson Frick, associate director of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, a nonprofit organization that promotes smoke-free environments.

"Elected officials are responding to that increased public concern," he said.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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1 posted on 02/09/2003 7:21:54 AM PST by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; Madame Dufarge; ...

"We need your money to balance the budget, BUT, you can't smoke here and you can't smoke there! We want a SMOKE FREE STATE, but GIVE US YOUR MONEY!"

Sound familiar?

2 posted on 02/09/2003 7:23:54 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
They ought to prove smoking causes AIDS then the left will love smokers
3 posted on 02/09/2003 7:27:46 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
They ought to prove smoking causes AIDS then the left will love smokers

Well, Gov Pataki (RINO, NY) signed a bill recently that there will be NO discrimination against gays. So......if your gay today, that's great. BUT MY GAWD, YOU CAN'T SMOKE!

Everyone is getting the red carpet treatment today, except people who smoke. Think about it!

4 posted on 02/09/2003 7:37:01 AM PST by SheLion
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To: *all


5 posted on 02/09/2003 7:42:02 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Rush is right.

Hey, maybe they should legalize heroin, cocaine, and marijuana. And how about prostitution? Have they thought of those cashcows?

6 posted on 02/09/2003 7:42:40 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: SheLion
The smoking ban movement makes sense as people have an increased understanding of the harm of second-hand smoke, said Bronson Frick, associate director of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, a nonprofit organization that promotes smoke-free environments.

Basis?

Hi SheLion!

7 posted on 02/09/2003 7:43:31 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: SheLion
y'know, what puzzles me is why tobacco companies don't print the price on the pack, as in $1.25 plus state, federal, and loacl taxes, so that people will understand just how much of this goes to taxes, and get angry every time they buy cigarettes, other tobacco products, and alcohol.

dep

8 posted on 02/09/2003 7:47:40 AM PST by dep
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To: Savage Beast
Hey, maybe they should legalize heroin, cocaine, and marijuana. And how about prostitution? Have they thought of those cashcows?

LOL! Your so right. But think of the lawmakers that are involved with all that stuff. Do you really think they want to have their names on tax revenues? heh!

9 posted on 02/09/2003 7:48:37 AM PST by SheLion
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To: facedown
Hey facedown. How are you?

Second hand smoke: when the anti's saw their war on the smokers didn't work, then they started on the non-smokers telling them that OUR smoke was KILLING them. And the stupid general public believes that garbage. ~gag.......

10 posted on 02/09/2003 7:49:56 AM PST by SheLion
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To: dep
y'know, what puzzles me is why tobacco companies don't print the price on the pack, as in $1.25 plus state, federal, and loacl taxes, so that people will understand just how much of this goes to taxes, and get angry every time they buy cigarettes, other tobacco products, and alcohol.

Thank God for Free Republic where we can get this truth out there. But it must have something to do with the Tobacco Settlement Money that Big Tobacco has to keep bending over for the Attorney Generals. So, of COURSE they can't print the truth. It's up to us to point this out to everyone.

11 posted on 02/09/2003 7:51:24 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Today it is tobacco, but what will it be tomorrow? The number one cause of health problems in America today is obesity. I believe the next victim is going to be meat. I know this does not sound possible now, but once they start their campaign to demonize it, "Meat causes obesity, heart disease and is carcinogenic. People who eat meat in public are a bad examples for our children". It does not matter if Atkins was right and it may be healthier to eat meat than bread. Remember the studies about second hand smoke turned out to be bogus and no one really cares. "Cattle rasied for their beef are destroying the rain forests and their nasty gas is destroying the ozone." Today it is tobacco, tomorrow meat and maybe sometime down the evil white hetrosexual male.
12 posted on 02/09/2003 8:16:24 AM PST by HomerG
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To: SheLion
They're pariahs in restaurants, outcasts in offices, and taxed to the max on their cigarette habit, but smokers are coming to the rescue of state budgets.

Who're the fools in that picture?

13 posted on 02/09/2003 8:19:15 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: HomerG
Today it is tobacco, tomorrow meat and maybe sometime down the evil white hetrosexual male.

I'm sure you have already heard that the white hetrosexual male is OUT! And my Gawd! He will be shot at day break if he's a smoker.

There is always some group out there that has it in for another group. Notice that?

14 posted on 02/09/2003 8:20:34 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
We can raise the price of cigarettes and the taxes on them as high as we want. THERE IS NO LIMIT!!

Smokers are such slaves to their terrible, deadly addiction that they are powerless to abandon it. When they are so enslaved, there is no price too high for their drug delivery system of choice.

The drug not only enslaves, it also destroys ALL rational thoughts processes. Thus, we see blind rejection of any study suggesting that secondary smoke is bad, hallucinations about equating smoking with freedom, and ad hominem attacks of those trying to help.

Those who question the wisdom of politicians placing so much reliance on the future income stream from oppressing a decreasing number of smokers (they die off at a much quicker rate), need not worry, the money will be there. They are too stupid and addicted to stop. And, it is part of the job of non-smokers who don't want higher taxes, either, to keep them adgitated and, therefore, smoking.

In fact, we can pay for the extra police we need to keep bars smoke free by raising the cigarette tax. Smoking in back, by the dumpsters will still be OK, at least for a while.

15 posted on 02/09/2003 8:22:38 AM PST by Tacis
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To: lewislynn
Who're the fools in that picture?

To to mention a few "fools" in Free Republic, the fools in THIS picture are the poor souls who haven't found out yet about rolling their owns, or buying tax free over the Net.

Also, the "poor fools" haven't learned yet that they can jut boycott those places and refuse to spend their money where they aren't wanted. Take New York ie: New Jersey is screaming to the smokers COME SMOKE WITH US! And many New Yorkers are taking the boat. Get it?

16 posted on 02/09/2003 8:23:04 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Tacis
When they are so enslaved, there is no price too high for their drug delivery system of choice.

So! What's YOUR "addiction" of choice? Booze or prescription drugs!

17 posted on 02/09/2003 8:24:00 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Tacis
Your an idiot.
18 posted on 02/09/2003 8:24:51 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I am LIVING (I think) proof that second hand smoke is a scam.

My Mom smoked when she was pregnant with me, smoked while I was a baby, and smoke my whole life while living in her house.

I started smoking at the age of 12, at 41, I am now up to 3 packs a day.

I am a truck driver who keeps the windows up all the time, summer to use the air conditioner, winter to use the heater. The wing window is cracked about a half inch most of the time.

So I probably get 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand smoke. As I stated above, I think I'm still alive (it's hard to tell sometimes).

Not only is my state using the cigarette settlement money for everything but what it is for, they raised our taxes another 75 cents a pack.

Do I care? NO!!!!

I get mine from the reservation at $13.00 a carton.

For those not old enough to remember, it used to say on the side of the packs "Smoking Causes Cancer". You will notice that it no longer says that, because they can't prove it.

Everyone is born with the cancer cell in their body. Now how your own body handles it is an individual thing.

I have known many people who have smoked like I do who never got cancer, and just as many who NEVER smoked who died of cancer.

Seems to me that smoking is only hazardous to non smokers. My advice, everyone start smoking, it may save your life.
19 posted on 02/09/2003 8:33:40 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: SheLion
Seems to me the states are beginning the whining process of, where are we going to get money if smokers quit........ what to do, what to do. I wish they would ban the darn things, then I could pick up a new hobby...... watching the governments squirm as they raised all other taxes by 25-50%.
20 posted on 02/09/2003 8:44:51 AM PST by Great Dane
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