Bills targeting ID cards draw cries of racism

Arizona Daily Sun ^ | Feb. 7, 2003 | Howard Fischer

[madfly]

Bills targeting ID cards draw cries of racism

PHOENIX -- Amid claims of racism, state lawmakers moved on two fronts Thursday to determine what identification Arizonans must produce to get government services or exercise their right to vote.

The House Committee on Federal Mandates and Property Rights approved HB 2316, which precludes any government agency from accepting any form of identification other than one issued by a state or federal agencies that is independently verifiable.

Rep. Randy Graf, R-Green Valley, is pushing that measure to block the decision by some cities to recognize ID cards issued by the Mexican consul for everything from filing police reports and getting city vending licenses to signing up for water and obtaining library cards.

Separately, by a 9-3 margin the House Judiciary Committee voted to mandate that people who show up at the polls must show either a picture identification with an address or two other forms of identification to cast a ballot. Rep. Linda Gray, R-Glendale, said HB 2345 is necessary to prevent voter fraud.

Rep. Ben Miranda, D-Phoenix, said new requirements for people who may not have a state-issued driver's license could have a "chilling effect" on minority voter turnout. And Gray conceded she had no evidence that people are turning out to vote who are not eligible.

Prescott resident Bob Park, a perennial supporter of moves to curb illegal immigration, said there is nothing wrong with requiring that those who want services from government provide a form of identification that can be verified.

"What we find across the country is a terrible, massive, pervasive industry out there to provide fraudulent documents," Park said.

He is founder of the "Article IV Section 4 Foundation," named after the section of the federal constitution that requires the federal government to protect states against invasion. Park, who likens illegal immigration to an invasion, is best known for pushing a successful state constitutional amendment requiring government agencies and employees to act only in English; that measure later was voided by the Arizona Supreme Court.

"So whatever it is you need to get some sort of a benefit somebody out there will get it for you for a price," he said. That includes fake Mexican birth certificates that then lead to the Mexican consular ID cards.

Graf said that people who are not U.S. citizens should not be getting governmental services paid for by taxpayers. But Steve Brittle, a Phoenix community activist, said he sees something more sinister.

"The underlying thing here is racism," he said, noting that Graf also is sponsoring legislation to specifically permit the governor to mobilize the National Guard "to control the Southern border of this state."

That's not the case, Graf said. But he did acknowledge that the measure is aimed at Mexican nationals who are not here legally.

"If the cards are accepted we are doing nothing to discourage illegal immigration," he said.

"We pay taxes to support the library," Graf continued. "If the only identification you can produce is a consular ID card we can pretty much conclude you're here illegally."

Despite Thursday's 6-3 vote the future of this measure remains in doubt -- at least in its current form.

Rep. Marian McClure, R-Tucson, who chairs that panel, allowed the bill to be heard and was one of its backers. But McClure said she is concerned that the wording is overly broad, perhaps unnecessarily denying rights to people for even basic utility services.

Rep. Randy Graf, R-Green Valley

[madfly]

Sorry if this has been posted already. Arizona's Randy Graf is keeping busy.

[madfly]

fyi

[HiJinx]

Go Randy!

Now, I need to write a letter to my other state legislator, Marian McClure. She needs to back this puppy all the way through. If the language is vague, amend it. But don't let the illegals get away with robbery, as they are now!

[wgeorge2001]

I like this Graf. The democrats are trying to destroy America by allowing illegal aliens to vote,get welfare, and become illegal citizens with all the privledges of U.S. citizens and more; ie: affirmative action programs that give points in government public shcools and universities and gives certain people government and private jobs because of the color of their skin and because of gender while ignoring qualifications of merit and workmanship and seniority ; it is the largest single racist attack on the American Constitution in our whole history and is WORSE than being attacked by a foreign army.Now liberal politicians are buying votes and double votes through lax immigration laws and unconstitutional legal violations.
Go figure. Go Graf!

[majordivit]

Any so called lawmaker who screams racism when somebody introduces legislation aimed at ensuring that only citizens of the United States of America actually vote in an American election is an enemy of Anerica and should be prosecuted under the Patriot act.

[madfly]

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Here is a poorly formatted list of the new Arizona legislators with their email, phone and fax numbers. (Bookmark link)

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/MemberRoster.asp#House

Senate Roster Name District Party Email Phone Fax

Linda Aguirre Assistant Minority Leader 16 Democrat laguirre@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-7830 (602)542-3429
Carolyn S. Allen 8 Republican callen@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4480 (602)542-3429
Mark Anderson 18 Republican manderso@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-3160 (602)417-3151
Marsha Arzberger 25 Democrat marzberg@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4321 (602)417-3246
Timothy S. Bee Majority Leader 30 Republican tbee@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5683 (602)417-3247
Ken Bennett President 1 Republican kbennett@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5584 (602)542-3429
Linda Binder 3 Republican lbinder@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4138 (602)417-3165
Robert Blendu 12 Republican rblendu@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5955 (602)417-3168
Bill Brotherton 14 Democrat bbrother@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4485 (602)542-3429

Jack A. Brown Minority Leader 5 Democrat jbrown@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4129 (602)542-3429
Robert Burns 9 Republican rburns@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5993 (602)417-3225
Robert Cannell 24 Democrat rcannell@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4139 (602)542-3429
Ken Cheuvront 15 Democrat kcheuvro@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5325 (602)417-3149
Jorge Luis Garcia 27 Democrat jgarcia@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4171 (602)417-3162
Gabrielle Giffords 28 Democrat ggifford@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5262 (602)417-3166
Herb Guenther 24 Democrat hguenthe@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4139 (602)417-3156
Jack W. Harper 4 Republican jharper@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4178 (602)417-3154
Toni Hellon 26 Republican thellon@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4326 (602)417-3259
Jack C. Jackson Sr. 2 Democrat jjackson@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4323 (602)417-3160
Marilyn Jarrett Majority Whip 19 Republican mjarrett@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5288 (602)417-3161
Barbara Leff 11 Republican bleff@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4486 (602)417-3170
Dean Martin 6 Republican dmartin@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5284 (602)417-3163
Slade Mead 20 Republican smead@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5261 (602)417-3257
Richard Miranda 13 Democrat rmiranda@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5911 (602)417-3171
Harry E. Mitchell 17 Democrat hmitchel@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4124 (602)417-3164
Pete Rios Minority Whip 23 Democrat prios@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5685 (602)417-3167
Jay Tibshraeny 21 Republican jtibshra@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4481 (602)417-3152
Ramon O. Valadez 29 Democrat rvaladez@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-5342 (602)417-3169
Thayer Verschoor 22 Republican tverscho@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4136 (602)417-3222
Jim Waring 7 Republican jwaring@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4916 (602)417-3150
James P. Weiers 10 Republican jweiers@azleg.state.az.us (602)542-4173 (602)417-3153

House Roster

Name District Party Email Phone Fax

John M. Allen 7 Republican jallen@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3395 (602) 417-3007
Manuel V. "Manny" Alvarez 25 Democrat malvarez@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5895 (602) 417-3025
Bill Arnold 12 Republican barnold@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5894 (602) 417-3012
Ray Barnes 7 Republican rbarnes@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5503 (602) 417-3107
Andy Biggs 22 Republican abiggs@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4371 (602) 417-3022
Tom Boone 4 Republican tboone@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3297 (602) 417-3004
David T. Bradley 28 Democrat dbradley@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3300 (602) 417-3028
Jennifer Burns 25 Republican jburns@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5836 (602) 417-3125
Meg Burton Cahill 17 Democrat mbcahill@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5896 (602) 417-3017
Ernest Bustamante 23 Democrat ebustama@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5761 (602) 417-3023
Olivia Cajero Bedford 27 Democrat ocajerob@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5835 (602) 417-3027
Robert C. Cannell 24 Democrat rcannell@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4430 (602) 417-3024
Ted Carpenter 6 Republican tcarpent@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-1859 (602) 417-3006
James R. Carruthers 24 Republican jcarruth@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5273 (602) 417-3124
Cheryl Chase 23 Democrat cchase@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5030 (602) 417-3123
Ken Clark 15 Democrat kclark@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5058 (602) 417-3015
Ted Downing 28 Democrat tdowning@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5108 (602) 417-3128
Eddie Farnsworth Majority Leader 22 Republican efarnswo@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5735 (602) 417-3122
Jake Flake Speaker of the House 5 Republican jflake@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5219 (602) 417-3005
Steve Gallardo 13 Democrat sgallard@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3392 (602) 417-3013
Randy Graf Majority Whip 30 Republican rgraf@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3235 (602) 417-3030
Chuck Gray 19 Republican cdgray@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5495 (602) 417-3019
Linda Gray 10 Republican lgray@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3376 (602) 417-3010
Deb Gullett 11 Republican dgullett@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5766 (602) 417-3011
Philip J. Hanson 9 Republican phanson@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3255 (602) 417-3009
Joe Hart 3 Republican jhart@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5051 (602) 417-3003
Pete Hershberger 26 Republican phershbe@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5839 (602) 417-3026
Carole Hubbs 4 Republican chubbs@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5861 (602) 417-3104
Steve Huffman 26 Republican shuffman@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3394 (602) 417-3126
John Huppenthal 20 Republican jhuppent@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5898 (602) 417-3020
Jack C. Jackson, Jr. 2 Democrat jkjksnjr@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5160 (602) 417-3002
Clancy Jayne 6 Republican cjayne@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4002 (602) 417-3106
Karen S. Johnson 18 Republican kjohnson@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4467 (602) 417-3018
Bill Konopnicki 5 Republican bkonopni@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5409 (602) 417-3105
Leah Landrum Taylor Assistant Minority Leader 16 Democrat llandrum@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5864 (602) 417-3016
Sylvia Laughter 2 Democrat slaughte@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5862 (602) 417-3102
Phil Lopes 27 Democrat plopes@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3278 (602) 417-3127
Linda Lopez Minority Whip 29 Democrat llopez@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4089 (602) 417-3029
John A. Loredo Minority Leader 13 Democrat jloredo@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5830 (602) 417-3113
Lucy Mason 1 Republican lmason@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5874 (602) 417-3001
Marian McClure 30 Republican mmcclure@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3312 (602) 417-3130
Debbie McCune Davis 14 Democrat dmccune@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5412 (602) 417-3014
Robert Meza 14 Democrat rmeza@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3425 (602) 417-3114
Ben R. Miranda 16 Democrat bmiranda@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4893 (602) 417-3116
John B. Nelson 12 Republican jnelson@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5872 (602) 417-3112
Warde Nichols 21 Republican wnichols@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5168 (602) 417-3021
Tom O'Halleran 1 Republican tohaller@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4079 (602) 417-3101
Russell K. Pearce 18 Republican rpearce@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5760 (602) 417-3118
Gary Pierce 19 Republican gpierce@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3163 (602) 417-3119
Doug Quelland 10 Republican dquellan@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4639 (602) 417-3110
Michele Reagan 8 Republican mreagan@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5828 (602) 417-3008
Robert Robson 20 Republican brobson@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5549 (602) 417-3120
Colette Rosati 8 Republican crosati@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5169 (602) 417-3108
Victor Soltero 29 Democrat vsoltero@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-3424 (602) 417-3129
Wally Straughn 15 Democrat wstraugh@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5829 (602) 417-3115
Bob Stump 9 Republican bstump@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5413 (602) 417-3109
Mark Thompson 17 Republican mthompso@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-4225 (602) 417-3117
Stephen Tully 11 Republican stully@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5977 (602) 417-3111
Bill Wagner III 3 Republican bwagner@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5408 (602) 417-3103
Steven B. Yarbrough 21 Republican syarbrou@azleg.state.az.us (602) 542-5863 (602) 417-3121

[dirtboy]

But Steve Brittle, a Phoenix community activist, said he sees something more sinister. "The underlying thing here is racism," he said, noting that Graf also is sponsoring legislation to specifically permit the governor to mobilize the National Guard "to control the Southern border of this state."

Ah, the usual tactic of screaming "racism" - funny, someone with a valid green card doesn't have to worry about a thing. I guess we're documentists instead of racists...

[RonF]

"Separately, by a 9-3 margin the House Judiciary Committee voted to mandate that people who show up at the polls must show either a picture identification with an address or two other forms of identification to cast a ballot. Rep. Linda Gray, R-Glendale, said HB 2345 is necessary to prevent voter fraud.

Rep. Ben Miranda, D-Phoenix, said new requirements for people who may not have a state-issued driver's license could have a "chilling effect" on minority voter turnout. And Gray conceded she had no evidence that people are turning out to vote who are not eligible."

People who can't pass a driver's test can (at least in Illinois, and I'd bet in other states as well) get a State ID card that resembles a license and gives you what you need to prove your identity to a government agency or private concern. Let people who need an ID and don't drive get one of these.

And I see nothing here that would require you to prove that you are a citizen, as opposed to just proving that you're a resident, to get to vote.

[RippleFire]

BUMP

[B4Ranch]

. The democrats are trying to destroy America by allowing illegal aliens to vote,get welfare, and become illegal citizens with all the privledges of U.S. citizens and more; ie:

Are you sure this is because of the Democrats? What Party is Bush? What has he done to stop illegal alien immigration? What has he done about the Mexican consular ID cards? His Oath says he will protect America, why isn't he doing so?

[Marine Inspector]

Ah, the usual tactic of screaming "racism" - funny, someone with a valid green card doesn't have to worry about a thing. I guess we're documentists instead of racists...

Agreed.

Any immigrant the is here legally has the legal documents he needs issued to him.

Only illegal immigrants need the Mexican consular ID cards.

Racism is the only card these activist have. White out it, they have nothing and they know it.

[Marine Inspector]

Are you sure this is because of the Democrats? What Party is Bush? What has he done to stop illegal alien immigration? What has he done about the Mexican consular ID cards? His Oath says he will protect America, why isn't he doing so?

Bush is a RINO, which, in my book, is the same as a Demorat.

[dirtboy]

Rep. Ben Miranda, D-Phoenix, said new requirements for people who may not have a state-issued driver's license could have a "chilling effect" on minority voter turnout

So have them present some other form of ID. What Miranda is concerned about is a chilling effect on ILLEGAL minority voter turnout, as well as the turnout of dead voters whose licenses are, er, expired...

[Regulator]

I have a little comment that everyone in Arizona should point out: What "Race" are Mexicans? I have Mexican cousins who are whiter than me. Sonorans tend to be whiter, more Spanish than the Mestizos from southern Mexico. So what race are the sponsors of this bill being "racist" toward?

"Mexican" is a nationality, not a biological race. It means that they are citizens of a self-identifying group loyal to a certain set of values, language and ethnic heritage (Spain! A country full of WHITE people!).

The next time some jerk like Brittle or Isabel Garcia babbles this, call them on it if you can: call the Az Republic and ask them "what the hell do you mean, Racist? It's about our laws, and who gets to make them!". Or the Tucson Citizen or the Star (forget the Star.. beyond help).

[DoughtyOne]

He is founder of the "Article IV Section 4 Foundation," named after the section of the federal constitution that requires the federal government to protect states against invasion. Park, who likens illegal immigration to an invasion, is best known for pushing a successful state constitutional amendment requiring government agencies and employees to act only in English; that measure later was voided by the Arizona Supreme Court.

Damn, I was wrong.  At least one other United States citizen is aware of this section of the United States Constitution.  Whadyya know!

Graf said that people who are not U.S. citizens should not be getting governmental services paid for by taxpayers.

What a novel idea!  Imagine that, non-United States citizens shouldn't be getting taxpayer funded governmental services.  I believe I have my Proposition number correct, but wasn't it California Proposition 209 that passed 59 to 41% a few years back, which supported the cutoff of all government funds to illegal aliens in California?

This was challenged in court by the left.  The 9th Circuit Court raised it's ugly head again.  Gray Davis refused to appeal.  The rest is history.  Even when the citizens of this nation raise their collective voices and exercise their God given rights, it takes only one man to damn their will to the ashbin of history.  In this instance that man was Gray Davis.

But Steve Brittle, a Phoenix community activist, said he sees something more sinister.  "The underlying thing here is racism," he said, noting that Graf also is sponsoring legislation to specifically permit the governor to mobilize the National Guard "to control the Southern border of this state."

This Steve Brittle must be an exceptionally intelligent individual.  (NOT!)  Sorry Stevaroonie, it's not our fault that 98% of the people flooding across our borders are Mexican, Central American and South American hispanics.

If all bank roberies were committed by green men from Mars, Stevaroonie would rail against any law enforcement moves to stop them, based on race.  And the ACLU would be his biggest champion in court.  I certainly hope that every Freeper is smarter than to send the ACLU one farthing in support.

Good for Randy Graf, R-Green Valley.

[L.N. Smithee]

Separately, by a 9-3 margin the House Judiciary Committee voted to mandate that people who show up at the polls must show either a picture identification with an address or two other forms of identification to cast a ballot. Rep. Linda Gray, R-Glendale, said HB 2345 is necessary to prevent voter fraud.

Rep. Ben Miranda, D-Phoenix, said new requirements for people who may not have a state-issued driver's license could have a "chilling effect" on minority voter turnout.

Why would that be, Ben, if there is no hanky-panky going on?

[B4Ranch]

I can't say I was viciously attacked before the election. That would be whining, and whining is forbidden where people refuse to see the truth until it's too late. But, hey, the RNC still calls asking for donations, so I guess I haven't comitted a mortal sin yet.

[Prerunner]

bump

[B4Ranch]

Gray Davis refused to appeal. The rest is history.

Collapsed budgets in just about every State in the Union trying to educate, house and feed these parasites.