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China ramps up missile capability
CNN ASIA | 2.11.03

Posted on 02/10/2003 9:45:08 AM PST by Enemy Of The State

China ramps up missile capability

Staff and wires
Monday, February 10, 2003 Posted: 5:42 PM HKT (0942 GMT)

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Analysts say China is keen to ensure its deterrent capability remains intact
Analysts say China is keen to ensure its deterrent capability remains intact
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HONG KONG, China -- China's People's Liberation Army is developing missiles that may soon be capable of penetrating America's proposed national missile defense system as well as threatening U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups.

Sources close to China's military say a major focus of the PLA's ambitious arms development and procurement program is to prevent U.S. forces from "interfering" in the Taiwan Strait -- an area Beijing regards as a purely domestic issue.

Beijing is also anxious to undermine plans by the Pentagon to incorporate America's Asian allies such as Japan and South Korea -- as well as Taiwan -- into an Asia-based missile defense system.

The sources said Beijing's Second Artillery Corps, which is in charge of missile development, has been given extra funds and other resources to develop or import hardware that can successfully target American aircraft carriers.

Chinese strategists believe that should a crisis erupt between both sides of the Taiwan Strait, the U.S. may try to aid Taiwan by moving one or two of its aircraft carrier groups to the Taiwan Strait area.

That was what happened in 1996 when two U.S. carrier groups were deployed at either end of the Strait in an effort to deter any Chinese military action against the island.

To counter that, analysts say, China's strategy focuses on the development of an enhanced medium- and long-range missile capability equipped with multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle warheads, also known as MIRVs.

Deterrence

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A recent CIA report said China is looking to upgrade its missile fleet with multiple warhead technology
A recent CIA report said China is looking to upgrade its missile fleet with multiple warhead technology

Such technology is seen as essential to bolstering the effectiveness of China's nuclear deterrence as the Bush administration pushes ahead with deployment of missile defense shields.

MIRVs enable a single rocket to launch several warheads and decoys, which then separate in space to hit different targets vastly increasing an individual missile's potential destructive power.

According to a CIA report last year China has about 20 operational long-range missiles, capable of hitting U.S. targets, although all have only single warheads.

The report said China planned to increase that number to over 100 missiles, all equipped with MIRV warheads.

Over the weekend the mass-circulation Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun reported that the PLA had successfully test-launched a medium-range missile equipped with MIRV warheads last December.

The launching of the Dong Feng-21 (DF-21), with a target range of about 1,800 kilometers, was the PLA's first successful test launch of the upgraded missile.

Increasing range

The paper quoted Chinese sources as saying the DF-21 launch indicated a rapid modernization of China's nuclear missile capability aimed at countering the U.S. missile defense network planned for the region.

If the MIRV-equipped missiles are deployed, they could help to deter U.S. intervention in areas that China regards as its own affairs -- notably the Taiwan issue.

The DF-21, about 50 of which have been deployed since the 1980s, is categorized as a medium-range missile.

Hong Kong newspapers have reported that Beijing will begin deploying the DF-31-- a new type of ICBM with a target range of about 8,000 kilometers -- in about two years.

Diplomatic analysts in Beijing say the PLA is anxious to widen the gap between the military capacities of the mainland and Taiwan before the latter has a chance to upgrade its weapons through U.S. help.

Apart from Russia, which is China's biggest arms supplier, military analysts say the PLA has been basing much of its advances in missile technology on imports from Israel and several European countries.


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1 posted on 02/10/2003 9:45:08 AM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
Pre emption necessary
2 posted on 02/10/2003 9:49:44 AM PST by bulldogs
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To: Enemy Of The State; Alamo-Girl; TLBSHOW; backhoe; belmont_mark; ALOHA RONNIE; kattracks; VRWC; ...





3 posted on 02/10/2003 9:50:33 AM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: bulldogs; Stand Watch Listen
You are so right.
4 posted on 02/10/2003 9:51:27 AM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Meanwhile, we're decommissioning our best missiles and un-MIRVing the survivors. Real <expletive deleted> smart.
5 posted on 02/10/2003 9:51:32 AM PST by steveegg (The Surgeon General has determined that siding with Al-Qaeda is hazardous to your continued rule.)
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BFL
6 posted on 02/10/2003 9:53:01 AM PST by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Apart from Russia, which is China's biggest arms supplier, military analysts say the PLA has been basing much of its advances in missile technology on imports from Israel and several European countries.

What a blatant misrepresentation of the facts.  China got it's most (damaging to the US) technology from the US thanks to Bill Clinton and the Loral Corporation.

I do believe Israel has used poor judgement, and Europe too, but lets get real here.  We have nobody to blame more than ourselves.  Who the hell financed China's purchases and it's military industrial complex buildup?  The United States, that's who.  Go no farther to damn some entity.

7 posted on 02/10/2003 9:54:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
In another thread, a company making smart bomb technology is planning to move a key manufacturing facility to China.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/839912/posts
8 posted on 02/10/2003 9:57:11 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Does it look to anyone eles that the guy on the right is a Chi-com?
9 posted on 02/10/2003 10:14:52 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Enemy Of The State
Oh, then we should just give up! If we do something to counter this, they will get mad at us and the UN will blame us for destabilizing the world! After all, it is more important to avoid all war!

Sorry, I just had a "Liberal French Moment"!

10 posted on 02/10/2003 10:16:02 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Funny how CNN ignores any hostile actions/activities of the ChiComs and NKs except when we are getting ready to pound their cash cow, Uncle Soddomite.
11 posted on 02/10/2003 10:29:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?c=news_photos&p=korea+poster

Some other Anti-US posters from North Korea.
12 posted on 02/10/2003 10:36:01 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: DoughtyOne
Easy, Tex.

We must call a spade a spade. Israel has sent technology (and a lot of it) to the Chinese. No need to be defensive. It's the truth, even if it does hurt.

I see enough slander of Russia around here for arms supplying, so let's be fair and equal when the truth permits it.

13 posted on 02/10/2003 11:30:32 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
Israel was mentioned in the article. We weren't. So you go easy Tex. We gave China nuclear, missile guidance, MIRV and platform stabalization technology. When Israel gets to that level, let me know. No only that, I did state that Israel had used poor judgement in it's dealings with China.
14 posted on 02/10/2003 11:51:45 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: DoughtyOne; mikhailovich; struwwelpeter; Steel Wolf; Alpha One; Sparta; Stavka2; VaBthang4; ...
You have a point Douhgty.

While China would still have managed to get to its current level it would have taken it at least an extra decade had it not been for the US tech transfer during the Clinton years (and i am not just saying that to be on the 'blame it all on clinton' camp, which i am tired of, i am just stating the truth). The transfer of advanced guidance and miniturization tech literally took a decade off Chinese R&D and fiscal spending on that area.

It reminds me of when the Soviet spies Klaus Fuchs and the infamous Ethel and Julius Rosenberg's who stole US hydrogen-bomb technology that allowed the Soviets to detonate their first H-bomb in August of 1953! Without the spies the Soviets would still have got the thermonuclear bomb (after all they had detonated their first atomic bomb in 1949 .....again after 'lifting' some US info). However the H-bomb secrets enabled the Soviets to slice a year (expersts ay it was just a year) off their program ....and a year is still a lot.

China sliced off 10 years, and got on top of that advanced capability.

And unlike the Soviets (who still had to substantial resources in developing the engineering and industrial infrastructure to translate a theoretical design into an actual weapon) the Chinese basic got the whole nine yards! An analogy is that the Soviets got the plans for a Mercedes, and using the plans made their own mercedes clone using their own materials and their own expertise. All they stole was the blueprints. The Chinese on the other hand also got the plans for the mercedes, but they also got the tooling, most of the basic body frame, the engine, gearbox, and some of the more advanced innards! All the Chinese have to do is get their own upholstery.

The aboveis an extremely crude analogy but it should show what happened.

What China got from Israel is basically nothign they could not get themselves. Even the Israeli Lavi- Chinese J10 controversy, which is really not that big since both the US and Russia have ways of taking care of the Lavi; and as for the sale of Python-3 AAM missiles by Israel it should be noted that Israel now uses Python-4s. The same more or less applies for Russia. Russia knows China is its greatest threat for the next century or so! Hence everything Russia sells China is under strict FMS security deletion protocol (it is like the US selling military tech to iraq .....the stuff would be crap. A good example of this is the F-14s sold to Iran whihc had what i like to call 'engine deficiencies' LOL). The only nation Russia sells 'good stuff' to is India, and it has been that way for almost 2 decades now. China can obviously reverse-engineer the Russian and Israeli stuff (as it has been doing with the Israeli pythons and the Russian R-73s, but reverse-engineered AAMs are not as big a threat as ICBM technology. Personally i would rather face a nation with good AAMs than even basic nuclear ICBMs). As for Europe those guys (especially France) would sell their own grandma's soul for the right price, but i would not be too worried.

Anyways the biggest coup for the Chinese was the American technology.

It is time for the ABM defenses to be set up!

'nuff said!

16 posted on 02/10/2003 12:33:49 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: OXENinFLA

More DPRK crap.

17 posted on 02/10/2003 12:39:28 PM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: spetznaz
The question is though, don't our military planners already know all of this? If we (and by we I mean private citizens) have all this info on chinese weaponry wouldn't our intelligence be ahead of the game in terms of strategies to deal with them? Surely we have SOME ace in the hole.
18 posted on 02/10/2003 12:40:58 PM PST by Chaseman
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To: spetznaz
I agree with you. I do feel there are a few instances where I'd like to see Russia use more discression but may be right on the whole.

If Russia has developed the cavatiting torpedo, that could be a real doozie of a sale to China if they did.

I have been quite leary of the overall safety of our carriers. This isn't meant as a swipe at the military at all. It's just that we only have about ten on active duty. You take out a few of them and you've significantly impacted our projecting capabilities.

19 posted on 02/10/2003 12:44:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: Chaseman
The answer is a big yes. They have info that is far beyond anything you could find on FR.
20 posted on 02/10/2003 12:48:06 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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