Al Jazeera airs Bin Laden tape.(LIVE THREAD)

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[Dog]

Tape is real.....they will play it later.

[aristeides]

Britain controlled the ME oil at that time. Up to 6/22/41, Germany got lots of oil from the Soviet Union, as well as a considerable amount from Romania (I don't know how the two amounts compared to each other.) After 6/22/41, Germany never succeeded in getting any oil from the parts of the Soviet Union it occupied (even though it briefly overran some of the wells in the Caucasus.) After 6/22/41, its chief source of oil was Romania, with some minor contributions from Hungary, and quite a bit of oil being produced synthetically within Germany.

[johnb838]

Hitler was done in 1933 as soon as he started harassing the Jews.

You have a good point. Besides the brain drain, all of the work that was done here by dedicated courageous American women, the Nazis tried to do with slave labor. That's why we were able to bury them in materiel.

[piasa]

al-Qaida despises Saddam Hussein

Yeah, they hate him so much their operatives visited his intelligence agent in Praque more than once, and viited with his agents in the UAE more than once, and held meetings with at least one Iraqi operative in Malaysia for the Bojinka plot on the Philippines, and why bin Laden himself met with Iraqi and Iranian officials at different times in Sudan after bin LAden specifically sought to get together to set aside their differences in the interests of going after a greater foe, and why Iraqi officials traveled to Afghanistan to meet with al Qaeda leaders as well as with bin Laden, and why al Qaeda's associate group, Abu Sayyaf, called up the Iraqi diplomat Husain in Manila to report their success after they had set off a bomb and murdered an American soldier in the Philippines, and why one of the Taliban leaders fled to Bagdhad after getting wounded in Afghanistan... <sarcasm>

Maybe bin Laden is genuinely religious and is doing the enemy of my enemy thing, or maybe he is really a pan Arabist who just sees false "Islamic piety" as a means to an end. Given his western education, it is quite possible that his motives are nationalist with a touch of Marx and socilaism, and so he's created the Islamic version of the World Council of Churches. They are communist, and communists are atheistic, yet they call themselves religious, too since it serves their ends and keeps the gullible believers writing donation checks.

[aristeides]

The Germanophile government of Rashid Ali briefly seized power in Iraq in 1941, but the British had bases in the country, and were quickly able to overturn that government. Shah Reza Pahlavi of Iran was also suspected of sympathy towards Germany, so the British pressured him to abdicate in favor of his son. British Petroleum controlled the oil of these two countries throughout these troubles.

[Ingtar]

The trains with Russian Steel and other vital war supplies were crossing into Germany as the German Army crossed into Russia. (Actually into the part of Poland, Lithuania, and Rumania that Stalin had grabbed as a buffer.)

[johnb838]

Thanks!

[Elenya]

The USSR didn't have the military power to stop Hitler from attacking Poland. They needed more time and they bought some with the pact. If I'm not mistaken, before the pact, Britain and France refused Stalin's proposal for a military alliance and the Poles didn't want the Soviets to protect them from Hitler.

[cake_crumb]

Isn't Krekar the one who said the other day that there are no al Qaeda in Ansaar al Islam camps in Iraq? Also that Binny is 'a good man' and 'the jewel in the crown of Islam'??

[colorado tanker]

Were they allied with the ME countries of the time?

The Iraqi regime at the beginning of the war was pro-Nazi and was overthrown by the Allies. The Palestinian leader of the era, Grand Mufti Al Husseini (Arafat's uncle) issued a fatwa against the British for attacking Iraq. Al Husseini later visited Berlin, met with Hitler and expressed admiration for his policies toward the Jews. The German foreign minstry hoped an Arab rebellion against the British could provide an army to invade the Caucasus from the south while the Germans invaded from the north, but it all came to naught when he German offensive played out.

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

[VaBthang4]

Are there no more video tape recorders left in the Middle East?

This tape is bogues. Bin Laden is dead.

[colorado tanker]

so he's created the Islamic version of the World Council of Churches. They are communist, and communists are atheistic, yet they call themselves religious

LOL!

[Eurotwit]

Yeah... That's him...

The Krekar business is getting absolutely riddicoulous over here in Oslo... Tonight he was the featured speaker at the youth congress of the liberal (venstre) party speaking under the heading "are you a liberal?"

He has also called Norway the butterfly of the west..... Whatever that's supposed to mean, It can't be good...

He recently refused to undergo any more questioning from Norwegian authorities because he said they were acting as american proxies.....

[VOA]

bump

[piasa]

You siad tot he other poster: "If your logic held up, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union would have been allied during WW2"

Evidently you forgot. The Nazis and the USSR signed a very agressive so-called "nonagression pact." It effectively divided up the spoils of their mutual attacks on the smaller countries of eastern Europe. Stalin was perfectly willing to split eastern European states between them until Hitler became overambitious and violated the pact, attacking the USSR.

[valleygal]

I went to the Presidential Prayer site. Plan on sending dh and dks's there, too, so we can all sign up. Thanks, Darlin'.

[agrace]

Great link, thanks for posting.

[valleygal]

Doncha just luv Freeper threads!?!!!

So much, I can't get any work done! :)

[cyncooper]

Why would Hussein give chemical weapons to a group already concoting them for use against him? He'd be better off arming Iran.

I had to leave, hence the delay in reading the rest of the thread.

Boy, are you wrong.

Angle just reported on Fox that Tenet says not even Powell knows just how closely Saddam is working with Al Qaeda.

I have absolute belief that it will be demonstrated beyond any doubt that is the case and you are incorrect.

[valleygal]

Love your tag line. "Osama is still spelunkering" and as, I said before, dragging his dialysis machine behind him.

[swarthyguy]

Wasn't the Battle for Stalingrad a result of the Nazi desire to capture the oilfields of Baku Azerbaijan? (among others.....