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If You Thought Hollyweird Has No Agenda - THINK AGAIN!!
AndrewSullivan.com ^ | 2/11/03 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 02/11/2003 12:21:42 PM PST by Right Wing Co-Conspirator

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To: amused
Maybe if Lucas rewrites Episode III of Star Wars to show Yoda coming out as gay, then he can pick up an Oscar too...
21 posted on 02/11/2003 12:45:41 PM PST by HumanaeVitae (Objectivism: Moral Relativism w/a Pocket-Protector & Taped-Up Glasses)
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To: Right Wing Co-Conspirator
Did you have to ruin "pudding" for me?

Sorry...that old South Park line just kept rattling around in my head.

22 posted on 02/11/2003 12:47:07 PM PST by amused (To alcohol....the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.)
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To: Right Wing Co-Conspirator
All that leaves, it seems, is "About Schmidt" with Jack Nicholson.

I've always enjoyed Nicholson's movies but not considered him a fine actor, because he's always seemed to be playing himself. However, he does a great job as Schmidt, a very different character. An excellent movie!

23 posted on 02/11/2003 12:49:45 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Right Wing Co-Conspirator
Hollywood has never been "homophobic." They are "box office bomb phobic;" therefore, they used to keep hidden facts about key actors. But Hollywood has always been a gay mecca. My husband worked there in the 70's. The gays were open, aggressive, promiscuous, and offensive. It didn't take him long to get sick of it.
24 posted on 02/11/2003 12:51:19 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: HumanaeVitae
Maybe if Lucas rewrites Episode III of Star Wars to show Yoda coming out as gay, then he can pick up an Oscar too...

After having an 850 year old feeble frog creature who uses a cane and dies within 40 years suddenly leap around like he was Kermit's nephew(what George a simple lightsaber battle wasn't good enough?), that really wouldn't surprise me. Then again it might be funny to hear Yoda say to Obiwan, "mmmmmmmmmmm....Out of closet I am, queer I must be"

25 posted on 02/11/2003 12:52:08 PM PST by amused (To alcohol....the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.)
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To: Right Wing Co-Conspirator
Well, call me clueless, but I was 'had' listening to the PR rhetoric surrounding 'The Hours' (yes, yes, I've read Virginia Wolf. . .); just never realized what a slam dunk this book/movie was for the Gay message until I went to see it; and experienced another big 'gotcha' from Hollywood. . .

. . .had no idea just how busy these folks had been this year agenda-wise.

Thought they must be slapping themselves on the back over 'The Hours' and with such a good cast yet. Now I see they have a whole lot of slappin to do. . .

Bad jokes, on us.

26 posted on 02/11/2003 12:56:13 PM PST by cricket
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To: expatpat
"anal tearing exposing semen to open blood vessels"
I thought semen didnot carry the aid virus, but it is the blood/semen mix that did
27 posted on 02/11/2003 12:56:15 PM PST by tbird5
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To: Right Wing Co-Conspirator
I can't comment of Lilo & Stitch 'cause I didn't see it. (Although I would bet a few pesos that there is a message there somewhere.)

Well I own it, and have seen it enough to quote it word-for-word. Each to his own tastes, of course, and I can see how people would be able to get a liberal message out of it, but I don't. There is an element of "accept people because they are different", but the "different" that Lilo was portrayed as was so accurate that two women I know swear that they wrote it based on their lives. It's simply a great story, with great characters, and some of the funniest dialogue I've ever seen. And the one thread I saw about this movie here gave it nothing but positive reviews.

The rest of your comment: I don't know what you mean. Please educate this slow learner.

Not a problem. Whatever percentage you might want to consider a "normal" gay percentage (and I know there's plenty of debate about that), it doesn't apply here the way that it normally would since there are twice as many possibilities to consider. An actor is, for our purposes, considered a seperate person from the character they play.

So let's take the Best Actress award as an example. There are five actresses nominated, and each of those actresses plays a separate character; so that's 10 people to consider. If you go by the traditional 10% figure (again, disputes noted), then on average, at least one of those 10 would be gay.

Add to this the fact that there are lots of awards that were not mentioned, and lots of people who worked on the movies mentioned that were not analyzed. Add into that also the fact that this is one year, and spikes are to be expected in any random data set. Throw it all together, and what Andrew lists simply isn't cause for alarm (though I wonder how many people here realize that Andrew's gay, and was posting it as what he saw as a good sign).

I'm not saying that Hollywood doesn't often have agendas. I'm just saying that this doesn't show it.

28 posted on 02/11/2003 12:57:21 PM PST by pupdog
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To: RAT Patrol
"The closet is crumbling - even in that most privately homophobic enclave, Hollywood"


That's Andrew Sullivan's opinion, not mine. We all know that Hollywood is not homophobic. It's just A. Sullivan's way of convincing himself that all of this "gay gushing" is a recent and positive occurrence. How else could he see it?
29 posted on 02/11/2003 12:58:02 PM PST by Right Wing Co-Conspirator
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To: Right Wing Co-Conspirator
Yeah, you're right.
30 posted on 02/11/2003 1:00:43 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Remedy
Wait!! Let me think. When your enemy is busy killing themselves, don't takeaway their guns.
31 posted on 02/11/2003 1:01:50 PM PST by BarHopper
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To: pupdog
I'm just saying that this doesn't show it.

I disagree. Two of the nominees for Best Director are openly gay. If we accept the 10% guideline, there must be 20 people nominated in that category, with 2 of them being gay. How about Best Actress? Two of the characters are gay. Are there 10 nominees in this category (10 actors + 10 characters = 20 people, 10% of 20 gives us Nicole Kidman and Selma Hayek).

Look at the numbers, far more than 10% of these major people are gay. And if one accepts the more standard 2% estimate, then you can see that gays are FAR more represented in the Big Names than in the general population.

32 posted on 02/11/2003 1:14:15 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: pupdog
It's not cause for alarm to the extent that we right-thinking folks already knew about Hollywood's liberal/gay propaganda machine. I can also understand that from A. Sullivan's angle it can only reinforce and further justify his "lifestyle." His view is definitely colored by what he is or does.

I'm not sure about your point. However, the e-mail to A. Sullivan's website succintly confirms what conservatives knew all along. That's all.
34 posted on 02/11/2003 1:20:20 PM PST by Right Wing Co-Conspirator
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To: expatpat
 

Click

My nomination

35 posted on 02/11/2003 1:21:44 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Numlock Roadwar
Your comment is appreciated. But, I would guess you don't have young children. It becomes relevant to some of us who have to protect their tender minds from the incessant bombardment emanating from them artsy folks.
37 posted on 02/11/2003 1:29:54 PM PST by Right Wing Co-Conspirator
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To: Rabdargab
"Lesbians... are ...12 times more likely to have had an oral infection from penile contact"

I would think that penile contact is that last thing lesbians would want.

38 posted on 02/11/2003 1:32:44 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: ClearCase_guy
I disagree. Two of the nominees for Best Director are openly gay. If we accept the 10% guideline, there must be 20 people nominated in that category, with 2 of them being gay. How about Best Actress? Two of the characters are gay. Are there 10 nominees in this category (10 actors + 10 characters = 20 people, 10% of 20 gives us Nicole Kidman and Selma Hayek).

Again, it's rare in any random data set that you'll get a perfect match with expect ratios. Roll a ten-sided dice ten times and see how normal your results look. 2 out of 10 is not outside of standard deviation. 2 out of 5 isn't even.

But even on that, what about Best Actor? Looks like a strikeout there. What about all of the other categories not even mentioned here? What about all of the other people who worked on the movies mentioned (directors, writers, choreographers, technicians, voice-overs, key grips, coffee boys...)? Getting worked up over a data point is not rational, it's paranoid. And again, I say this is someone who despises Hollywood's leftist slant (I'm still fuming over the butchering of the American Revolution they called "The Patriot").

Look at the numbers, far more than 10% of these major people are gay. And if one accepts the more standard 2% estimate, then you can see that gays are FAR more represented in the Big Names than in the general population.

If I'd known 49 straights for every non-straight I've ever known, I think I'd have to rent out a stadium to talk to the whole lot of them.

39 posted on 02/11/2003 1:33:16 PM PST by pupdog
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To: NFifty15
Signs would never be nominated though based upon the movies main premises on the faith of God.

You think? It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that is was a cinematic sleeping pill with ridiculous logical inconsistencies?

40 posted on 02/11/2003 1:35:15 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears about the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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