US to punish German 'treachery'

The Observer (U.K.) ^ | 02/16/03 | Peter Beaumont, David Rose and Paul Beaver

[bfree]

Yes, we disagree, but kicking the legs out from under an ally's economy in a fit of pique is idiotic

Please explain one thing, what are the Germans and French doing to help our economy? It's certainly not necessary for us to help all economies, so why not help our friends in Poland and the Czech Republic instead?

[KY Dittohead]

Ditto, I just love the way he handles the press too.

[rface]

Everyone on this site is always so angry and one way.
Everyone can't be our enemy !

we're not always angry...just look at the posts from the Nov. 2002 election night celebrations!

......also, everyone is not our enemy, just Saddam, Hillary Clinton, France, North Korea, Ted Kennedy, Dasshole, Iran and bin Laden

[sl-17b]

Agree on the tightening and on the relocation.

I don't think we should bring them completely home.
We should probably look to relocating some of those bases closer to hotspots where we can help project our strength.

If we go too far East, we would have to worry about air rights for operations. Too spread out and we then can't project an appreciable amount of force. They also should be in countries that are not completely Islamic. We would be too easy a target then.

[eno_]

You can get REAL Budweiser in the U.S. now. They call it "Czechvar" from Budvar. Best beer in the world. I've had it tapped from an oak keg. Pure heaven.

[PAR35]

He wants a rail line that will take our troops and armor to Italy without interuption. There is only one viable rail route to get to Italy without passing through neutral Switzerland or Austria or hostile France. You would have to go from Hungary through Croatia (a German puppet) to Slovenia to Trieste. The other rail alternative looks like Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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[katana]

Czech beer is better.

[JimVT]

Right...Right.

I guess I could have used a btter term than 'throw them to the wolves'.

But my point is that today's flap with the current German admin. need not lead to isolating them.

Diplomacy is just another way of saying: Ok, you pis*ed me of today, but let's see what tomorrow brings.

It wasn't too far back when the Shah of Iran (and his kin) was our good ol' boy buddy.

[VRWC_minion]

Everyone on this site is always so angry and one way.

Some of us are irate.

Does everyone just go along with what they are told to think?

Yes, of course. We have implants that download Rush Limbaugh directly to our brains on a special frequency which directs us 24/7.

I've experienced the us or them of combat but don't believe we can always act like war time.

Geee wizz, I never thought of that. I wonder is anyone else here has. Maybe you should work real hard at informing folks here, I'm sure they never considered these thoughts before.

Everyone can't be our enemy !

Except for Liberals and folks who want us dead. All the rest are only the enemy when they help liberals and folks who want us dead.

[opbuzz]

Strange that a Marine becomes the commander and everyone is worried about toeing the line.

All the armed forces are now following the USMC pattern of quick strike, rapid deployment, fluent operations.

I believe I saw one of the incentives was from a USAF Col.

[solo gringo]

My Wife said today that her and her family [ 2nd generation germans] has lived with the stigma of being germans.Most people had starting to accept.Then along comes a D#ck head like gerhardt shitt#r and it all starts all over again.

[ggekko]

I hope we don't overreact to the antics of the current Government in Germany. In many ways the Schroeder government is an electoral anomaly that will probably soon be out of power. I advocate that we wait and see what the new CDU government does before acting rashly.

[Centurion2000]

Great idea, but where will the troops go to?

Iraq ....
for 100 years Europe was the problem child of the civilized world. They have passed that baton onto the Middle East.

[mathurine]

Love that Urquel beer.

[jackbill]

German industry earns billions of euros every year from supporting the US Army Europe which, although reduced from its Cold War heights, still totals 42,000 troops and 785 tanks - almost three times as many as the British Army owns.

My brother spent many years in Germany, as an auditor for the Defense Department. For many of those years he worked at a tank depot which was contracted to Germans - completely. They repaired and re-built American tanks.

I don't know if it still exists but it provided high paying jobs to a lot of Germans. Hundreds of them. Why shouldn't we move that kind of facility to a more friendly country, such as Poland?

[CFC__VRWC]

While I think a part of this article is true, I think this is just propoganda for those that are trying to portray America as selfish and spiteful.

Absolutely. This is nothing more than an attempt to play to the anti-American peace pukes in Europe, to whip them into even greater anti-American fury. What I would ask this little troll is, "Since when is it the job of the US military to subsidize your failed socialistic economy?"

He's trying to have it both ways, just like so many more of these deluded, America-hating leftists sitting in their little cubicles spewing out bile like this. Maybe they should just come right out and ask us to pull out our troops and then send them checks -at least this would be honest. But I forget, the word "honest" doesn't exist in the new state-approved EU dictionary.

[Tailback]

I've had Czech Budweiser before, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't specifically marketed for all the GI's in Germany. I remember the NCO club at Rhein Main Airbase sold it. It was probably the first legal beer I ever bought since I was 18 at the time and was processing through the 21st replacement detachment on my way to Turkey.

[Catspaw]

See Chris' post #60.

Some, but not all, will be brought home. Others will be spread around in various places around Europe. It's time to downscale in Europe. I can see keeping a few bases in Europe (I'm thinking the Army hospital to which are troops are brought after being injured in Afghanistan, for one), but it's not necessary to keep them centered in Germany.

[americanbychoice]

Not Greece, we tried that one before.