Reasonable Gun Control - Support H.R. 648

Sierra Times ^ | 2/16/03 | Geoff Metcalf

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

This is a load of PHOOOEY

What part of shall not be infringed dont they understand FOR GOOD OR BAD shall not be infringed means what it means its not an "is" is question!

[philetus]

If you support this bill, you are agreeing with the gun grabbers that having the means to protect yourself is a privledge and not a God given right.

[philetus]

If you support this bill, you are agreeing with the gun grabbers that having the means to protect yourself is a privledge and not a God given right.

[Celtman]

hoosierskypilot:
"all citizens have the right to own firearms -- period.",

BfloGuy:
Respectfully, I disagree. Not in spirit, but in practice. We have lost our ability to discriminate about who should and should not have a firearm and what kind of firearm is allowed.

      I have to agree with hoosierskypilot.  The Constitution recognizes the right (not privilege) of the people to keep and bear arms.  Rights do not come from the Government, and cannot be lost.  They can be infringed, and we the people have allowed that to happen.  Any licensing of a right is an infringement.  Any restriction of a right, except as punishment for a crime, is an infringement.  The Second was not written to protect the rights of sport hunters.  It was not written because of crime.  It was written to protect true homeland security.  An armed populace is free to the extent it wants to be free.  An unarmed populace is not free.  Any discussion of what kind of firearm is "allowed" misses the point. 

      This bill misses the point.  Any gun control which applies to the general population is unreasonable.  It constitutes an infringement on an explicitly protected right.  This bill constitutes an implicit assertion that a privilege is being granted, when in fact a right is being infringed.

[quietolong]

"A person not prohibited from receiving a firearm by Section 922(g) of title 18, United States Code

Always read the fine print.
How about felony parking ticket, felony outdoor BBQing Or felony grade changing.

Sixth-grader charged in grade switch caper.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/841636/posts


This group will keep expanding it until it includes YOU!

[Myrddin]

The right kind of bill is not one that apppears to grant us privileges to keep and bear arms. The right bill would be actively striking down the prohibitions that have been created to limit our rights to keep and bear. The assault weapons ban needs to go. Magazine limits need to go. Import restrictions on ammo and firearms need to go. The Gun Control Act of 1968 needs to be repealed.

We don't need new laws. We need to be rid of existing bad laws.

[Vic3O3]

Too bad this bill doesn't cover use of force in defense of a non-family member...

[NonValueAdded]

I have to agree with you all.

What makes Congress think they have the right to grant us privileges when we already have the rigfht? I can just hear the 9th circuit saying "since this particular act of defense was not covered in bill blah-blah-blah, it was the intent of congress to prohibit blah-blah-blah"

Soneone else said it best, "What part of shall not be infringed don't you understand?"

[elbucko]

As I posted to Hoosierskypilot, I agree in Spirit with the essence of the 2nd Amend, i.e., to be able to resist or change, by force if necessary, a counter-Constitutional tyrannical government. I agree that the right of self defense is an "Individual Natural Right", and premiere to the other 9 in the BoR. The "Right to free speech" is useless if your dead. The "Right" to self defense by arms comes from God, not Wash. D.C.

Having said that, my remarks are those of criticizing the RKBAer's that have been allowed to pollute the social and political water for their own personal profit or "entertainment". I don't want to enumerate them all here for the gleaning by the "Brady Bunch", so I will mention one particular instance.

The "Hell-Fire" trigger system that effectively converts a simi- into a full auto is a primo example. For those of us who have been around firearms as kids, through NRA courses, hunting, and in the military, I think WE KNEW that some GD whacko was going to "go ballistic" and do some real damage (human and political) with that modification. I know I did. We all stood around and looked at this thing and said to ourselves; "This is an immature device", more for silly boys and morons, than for Citizen Soldiers and/or hunters. If I am ever hunting and somebody takes one of those "Hell-Fires" out, I'll ask him to put it away, or I'll go home". I have left hunts for similar reasons.

It is the "Silly Boys" and the "Morons" that have and are ruining it for the rest of us. The D.C. Shooters are an excellent example. The rest of us may have to put up with the ineffective process of Ballistic Fingerprints because some gun shop yahoo needed tires for his truck more than he needed the 2nd. Amendment. That's my real point. Some in the RKBA movement are in it more for the money or the kicks, than the patriotic Right to Keep and Bear Arms or for the craft and sport of arms.

I don't like the idea of having to legislate our rights, but the left will legislate them away if we don't counter with our own effective "return fire". Legislation is a "Flanking Maneuver" and we must counter with moves of our own, or loose the battle.

Since "The Simpson's have entered the national lexicon, I'll quote "Marge" for effect: "...you shouldn't use the law to nag". That's exactly what's happening. And, if we don't "nag" our own. the Brady Bunch will pass laws that do.

FMCDH, Buck.