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Microsoft eases switch to XP
zdnet.com. ^ | February 25, 2003

Posted on 02/25/2003 8:13:03 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

Microsoft eases switch to XP
CNET News.com
February 25, 2003, 4:57 AM PT
URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-985825.html

Microsoft, hoping to drive greater adoption of its Windows XP operating system, will on Tuesday unveil a new central Web site with revamped tools to help IT administrators make the switch.

The new Desktop Center site includes an updated version of the Windows XP Application Compatibility Toolkit, a set of tools Microsoft devised to assess whether current applications of businesses will work under Windows XP Professional, Microsoft's latest operating system for corporate customers.

Rogers Weed, corporate vice president of Windows product management at Microsoft, said the tool usually helps IT administrators determine that they need to make minimal changes to their existing software roster to run XP.

"A lot of people don't realize that XP is significantly more compatible (with existing applications)," Weed said. "In general, organizations will find 95 percent or more of their apps are fine."

The Desktop Center site also has multiple tools for dealing with the 5 percent of applications that don't make the cut. "We find there are some generic fixes that can address a broad class of the problems we see, and there are tools in the kit to help apply those," Weed said.

Paul DeGroot, an analyst for research firm Directions on Microsoft, said software compatibility has been a minor issue in the tepid pace of corporate adoption of Windows XP.

"XP runs a lot of stuff that Windows 2000 didn't," he said. "There are particular applications you come across where compatibility is an issue, but I don't think it's a show-stopper for Windows XP."

Hardware compatibility has been much more of a factor, DeGroot said. Windows XP requires significantly more memory and other resources than Windows 2000, and many businesses are trying to stretch PC upgrades they made three years ago in anticipation of Y2K. "Large customers hate to go and shake things up on the desktop," he said. "If people are working fine with Windows 2000, they're going to leave them be," said DeGroot.

The Desktop Center site also includes a new version of Microsoft's Baseline Security Analyzer, a tool that checks corporate desktops for the presence of current software updates and patches and for configuration errors that could pose risks.

"We keep investing in tools and information to help customers with deployment," Weed said. "We feel really good about the business case for upgrading to Windows XP, and we want to give customers tools that help them see those advantages."


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I just got Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition a week ago. MUCH better than WIndows 98, imho ...
1 posted on 02/25/2003 8:13:03 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
XP has made me a penguin advocate. Can't wait to get the other HD in this thing
2 posted on 02/25/2003 8:20:04 AM PST by steve50 (neocons, the "new coke" of conservatives)
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To: MeeknMing
Guess Bill wouldn't think of making it easier by lowering the cost, would he?
3 posted on 02/25/2003 8:22:42 AM PST by Conan the Librarian
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To: MeeknMing
I just got Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition a week ago. MUCH better than WIndows 98, imho ...

It is better in many ways, such as a faster bootup, etc, and being more stable than 98.

But that said, when I bought my new Dell last summer, it was only offered with XP. The video card, etc. required XP drivers. I would have preferred Win2000.

I regret having bought the machine under those circumstances, and had I thought more and faster, would have told Dell to keep it.

The biggest reason is all the intrusive junk they loaded it with, like the perpetual hard sell for Microsoft Messenger (Which they had made very difficult to remove at the time.) If you have a router and/or firewall take a good look at what it is doing and you will freak. The Windows Media Player cheerfully offers to keep track of a lot of things, and is always looking for mysterious upgrades. Dell's hidden "support.exe" was hammering at the firewall at :37 past the hour constantly.

While it might be a good replacement for Win98, it has no benefits other than a terrible amount of bloat over the similarly NT-based Windows 2000.

So, I dunno. It felt it was like having a cocaine addict as a house guest- Entertaining, but you had to constantly count the silverware! :-)

As in all consumer things, your mileage may vary.

4 posted on 02/25/2003 8:23:04 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: steve50
I am lacking in the lexicon. What is 'penguin' and 'HD'?...pardon my ignorance.
5 posted on 02/25/2003 8:23:30 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: MeeknMing
I didn't get it and this is why. I don't know what you do with your computer but, if you do anything, you soon learn it is a mess.

Example: Microsoft Photodraw 2000 will not run in Windows XP.

Their own program?

I didn't purchase this program with a limited life span attached to it.

What are they doing about it Nothing!!!!!!!

6 posted on 02/25/2003 8:24:57 AM PST by chachacha
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To: MeeknMing
I've had two computers with XP Professional and XP Home Edition for almost a year now and love 'em.

Much more stable than any other MS operating system I've used. I keep a third PC running Windows 98 to preserve compatibility with some children's games, a scanner and my wife's wierd obsession with WordStar.

Windows XP made networking the three computers an absolute piece of cake. Share drives, printers, easy to set access, etc. My favorite add-on for Windows is PowerDrawers from Dyanmic Karma. Couldn't live without it.

7 posted on 02/25/2003 8:25:20 AM PST by billorites
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To: MeeknMing
Thank you for sharing.
What's it like working at MS anyway?
8 posted on 02/25/2003 8:25:50 AM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: MeeknMing
"Penguin" is the Linux mascot, and HD is Hard Drive
9 posted on 02/25/2003 8:26:19 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce; MeeknMing
"Doo bee, Doo bee, DOOO."
Beware of Penguins.
*/ joke*
10 posted on 02/25/2003 8:30:57 AM PST by Darksheare (<====The sky eyes are watching, and blinking for want of Visine...)
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To: MeeknMing
Until I have a good reason to switch, it's Win98 for me. My computer works fine as it is- why should I spend $200 to switch to an OS that requires a firewall (yet has been sold as the most secure OS to date) and may not run some of my old programs?
11 posted on 02/25/2003 8:32:06 AM PST by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS!)
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To: MeeknMing; All
One of our office computers using XP has been running a fairly sophisticated engineering program for about eight months now. At first there were no problems; however, as each day goes by, the performance gets slower and slower. I have disabled all unnecessary applications running in the background, have checked for viruses, drafraged, the whole nine yards. Even with the virus software disabled, we still have poor, poor performance. Microsoft's knowledge base and free support options offer no additional suggestions. Can y'all help?
12 posted on 02/25/2003 8:34:22 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Gorzaloon
Shouldn't have gotten a Dell, Dude. When you buy a computer with a pre-installed operationg system, you're geting a crippled OS. You probably don't get a full Windows CD, and you get it installed in such a way that it only wants to support the manufacturer's hardware.

Anyone who can spare a couple of extra bucks should get their machine custom built locally by someone who's been doing it for a while, and someone who can help with glitches.

13 posted on 02/25/2003 8:35:48 AM PST by js1138
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To: Quilla
From here, it sounds like a memory leak. The occasional reboot will probably fix it.
14 posted on 02/25/2003 8:36:16 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Quilla
Microsoft's knowledge base and free support options offer no additional suggestions. Can y'all help?

Yeah.
Try to replace it with Win2000 or switch Operating Systems.

:]

15 posted on 02/25/2003 8:36:24 AM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: MeeknMing
penguin=Linux
HD= hard drive

16 posted on 02/25/2003 8:36:39 AM PST by steve50 (neocons, the "new coke" of conservatives)
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To: MeeknMing
My non-technical wife of (very) many years has learned to hate XP and mostly uses one of my WNT or W2K machines. What does that say?
17 posted on 02/25/2003 8:38:33 AM PST by pt17
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To: ShadowAce
From here, it sounds like a memory leak.

Great subject.
Speaking of memory leaks, is there software to diagnose this pesky and common irritation?

At work we run dozens of Autocad stations and the performance hits due to what I suspect are memory leaks is monumental.

No thanks to NT4, too, I suspect.

18 posted on 02/25/2003 8:39:11 AM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: pt17
What does that say?

That you should get her a Mac.
19 posted on 02/25/2003 8:42:43 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (I am Jack's smirking revenge.)
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To: Quilla
You are experiencing the famous "creeping death" syndrome on your PC. The only fix for it that I know of is to carefully archive all of your critical data and reformat your hard drive. If you have a system with pre-installed software then it gets a little tougher, you'll probably end up needing to load a new copy of the OS.

I got tired of going through all of these issues, which is why I switched over to Apple computers. They really do "just work".
20 posted on 02/25/2003 8:43:34 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: ShadowAce
Just yesterday we received a 'virtual memory minimun to low' error for the first time. I increased the memory paging file to no avail. Rebooting regularly has not helped though. The computer is eight months old with 1.3GHz / 60GB / 128MB. Thanks!
21 posted on 02/25/2003 8:43:55 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Publius6961
Speaking of memory leaks, is there software to diagnose this pesky and common irritation?

Unfortunately, none that I am aware of.

Sounds like a great OSS project to start for someone who knows what they are going... :)

22 posted on 02/25/2003 8:44:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: billorites
and my wife's wierd obsession with WordStar.

ROTFL

I'M NOT ALONE! As long as you and your wife are around I don't feel isolated!

My wife is a First Choice junkie! The version that was written in 1985! I have to keep a 2 gig partition on her machine so that she can still run DOS!
23 posted on 02/25/2003 8:45:23 AM PST by PatriotGames (AOOHGA! AOOHGA! CLEAR THE BRIDGE! DIVE! DIVE! WHOOSH!)
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To: MeeknMing
This tool came out BEFORE XP was released.
It is, however, far from reliable.
XP is no great shakes. For all of the headaches and aggravation, I'm just going to get a Mac for the wife and digital production, keep the 98 for games and move any server tasks to Linux.
If I wanted to do it all on once machine, I'd be caught between Linux and Mac, since I really don't care for MicroSoft teaming up with Hollywood to decide whether I should be allowed to have on my machine what I have on my machine.
Maybe if they could get MS Money to work properly on Windows, I'd feel differently. Barring that...
24 posted on 02/25/2003 8:45:28 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (I am Jack's smirking revenge.)
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To: ShadowAce
going==doing
25 posted on 02/25/2003 8:46:00 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: chachacha
Had the same problem with MS Money.
Took them 2 hours to diagnose and they had the error in the wrong OS section.
Sure, you can trust them.
26 posted on 02/25/2003 8:46:36 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (I am Jack's smirking revenge.)
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To: Quilla
Probably need to re-install the whole thing, including the OS. I think the technical name for the problem is rot. It usually manifests itself in the behavior you report. Usually due to the program or OS getting corrupted and leaving behind a bad memory leak or some other problem. Sometimes Norton system doctor can fix it, sometimes not.

Run norton, if it doesn't fix it, rebuild the whole system with a blank hd. What I often do is just replace the disk with a fresh one and re-build. Then the original disk is there in case more problems arise. Especially if it is some serious program being used, like you have. Safest way to go.

Not a joke, BTW.

snooker.
27 posted on 02/25/2003 8:47:03 AM PST by snooker
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To: js1138
Shouldn't have gotten a Dell, Dude. When you buy a computer with a pre-installed operationg system, you're geting a crippled OSAnyone who can spare a couple of extra bucks should get their machine custom built locally by someone who's been doing it for a while, and someone who can help with glitches.

Yeah, the worst part of the story is that my brother owns a computer store, and has been custom building them for years. He was busy and I did not want to bother him!

I'm an @ssh@le. I stand publicly revealed.

(Kicking self, over and over...)

28 posted on 02/25/2003 8:50:17 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: snooker
Sounds like sensible advice.
29 posted on 02/25/2003 8:50:23 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Billy_bob_bob; snooker
Reformat the hard drive - I'm afraid I'm familiar with the process. I can easily copy critical date via the network and then reinstall OS and engineering software. But it's really a shame this operation has to be performed on such a 'young' computer. Sheesh, I hate this stuff.

Many, many thanks.
30 posted on 02/25/2003 8:51:58 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
It has been my experience that when you run heavy duty software on a PC (CAD-CAM, Photoshop, etc.) you can pretty much expect to have to re-format the hard drive every six months or so. As you say, the system is "young", but the drive has many many hard miles on it and the "rot" has built up. Give it a good scrubbing with a formatting and it should be good as new.
31 posted on 02/25/2003 8:58:10 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Quilla
as each day goes by, the performance gets slower and slower.

I've seen that in a Gateway PC. It was fixed by reformatting and reinstalling the OS. I don't know what causes it but I have a theory based on experience with my sister's PC. It could be "soft" errors on the hard drive, causing multiple retries. the data is eventually read correctly, but performance tanks. You could get the disk manufacturer's repair program, which re-does the low-level format and maps out the bad spots, but in a professional setting, I'd replace the drive.

32 posted on 02/25/2003 8:58:26 AM PST by js1138
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To: Gorzaloon
By the way (lawyere feel free to chime in) I think it is perfectly legal and ethical to pay for XP and install Win 2000, even a "borrowed" copy. I know many instances where corporations have opted to keep a previous version of software for standardization.
33 posted on 02/25/2003 9:03:41 AM PST by js1138
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To: pt17
I'm running Win 2K, and will not be switching anytime soon. It works perfectly, is stable, easy to firewall, and readily accepts all of my hardware. No XP for me.
34 posted on 02/25/2003 9:04:05 AM PST by Space Wrangler (Now I know what it's like washing windows when there are pigeons on the roof...)
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To: js1138
How about duplicate data that the beastie keeps looking at?
(Kinda like duplicate files under Windows 95... Windoze kinda liked to try and flip between the two.. making the system grind to a halt eventually.)

35 posted on 02/25/2003 9:05:01 AM PST by Darksheare (<====The sky eyes are watching, and blinking for want of Visine...)
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To: Quilla
My limited understanding of programming, memory leaks are caused by applications and not the operating system. MS created "managed code" in the .NET development languages to handle that very problem. Has something to do with "garbage collection" I think.
My company had some progammers contracted to develop some custom software and they came up with some stuff that had bad memory leaks and would crash the system after about an hour or two.
36 posted on 02/25/2003 9:06:35 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: MeeknMing
I have XP on 3 home machines and it runs well. After buying Windows 98 (crap on dish), I skipped the ME junk O/S and I have to have 2000 on my office maching (configure it right and it will work). I like XP and have found few problems. My fourth home machine has Redhat 7.2 on it.
37 posted on 02/25/2003 9:08:58 AM PST by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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To: MeeknMing
FXP
39 posted on 02/25/2003 9:16:59 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: NolanVoid
You are entirely correct. I wasn't clear enough in my reply, the physical hard drive is fine, it should work for years if it is a decent brand. The problem has to do with the way the OS deals with managing data on the drive. For some reason it tends to start "gumming up", I can't get more technical that that, it just gets slower and slower, the disk grinds and grinds away on jobs that used to take a minute and now take ten. And, from what I can tell, it IS unique to the Windows world.
40 posted on 02/25/2003 9:17:11 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Quilla
Try De-Fragmenting your HD. Also clear any Cache you have in IE, Next try a couple of little programs 1) Ad-Aware, and 2) SpyBot search and destroy. It is very easy to un-intentionally install SpyWare with many share-ware programs.

I have made quite a few PC's run essentially as fast as they ran new by using these simple techniques.

41 posted on 02/25/2003 9:20:04 AM PST by Darth Hillary
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To: chachacha
I have not been able to run games like Mech Warrior on XP, my son had similar problems with XP.
42 posted on 02/25/2003 9:21:02 AM PST by bribriagain
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To: Darth Hillary
I've got a year old machine with 512 ram and a 1.7 processor. Running windows 98. I use a ad-aware and a firewall. I have to reboot about every 2 days or the internet I.E. grinds to a halt. Any ideas?
43 posted on 02/25/2003 9:23:43 AM PST by kjam22
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I remember the days when my computer would boot up in two shakes of a lamb's tail...

Now it resembles bloated pig wallowing to the trough...

Ah, Microsoft...
44 posted on 02/25/2003 9:25:04 AM PST by ECM
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To: Gorzaloon
The biggest reason is all the intrusive junk they loaded it with...

I purchase hundreds of Dells for the firm I work for. The first thing I do is to clean off all the un-needed item ALL PC's come with. HP, IBM, Compaq and all the others have tons of "junk" on them as well. As far a Windows messenger is concerned, go to START: RUN: and paste this into the command line:

RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove
45 posted on 02/25/2003 9:25:21 AM PST by AdA$tra
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To: AdA$tra
RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove

Thanks, I had gotten rid of it quickly that way, by finding the instructions on the Web. I actually did not feel like running the computer till I did.

The fact that made it not appear on the "Remove Programs" list in the control panel is sufficient prima facie evidence to me that their intentions were adverse.

This little act of greed converted me from a Microsoft defender into an enemy.

The Dell "Service.exe" that was hidden from the task manager did likewise:

Never another Dell in this house, and never another WXP here, ever.

46 posted on 02/25/2003 9:38:09 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: MeeknMing
Your link is to, basically, an advertising overview--why should I use XP, etc. I am sure the compatibility center is buried in the sludge, but could you please link that URL? Or is it obvious and I'm just missing it?
47 posted on 02/25/2003 9:39:02 AM PST by jammer
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To: Quilla
This is why all _real_ operating systems put the swap in it's own partition.
48 posted on 02/25/2003 9:39:14 AM PST by gura
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To: kjam22
Win2K
49 posted on 02/25/2003 9:39:59 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: kjam22
I have to reboot about every 2 days or the internet I.E. grinds to a halt. Any ideas?

As an IT professional I recomend that you reboot every couple of days.....LOL. Actually the best practice is to reboot at least once daily, although my 1.8Gz machine running W2k runs for weeks at a time. It is also is a very clean Dell Dimension running zero factory junk, as I scratched it on day one and rebuilt it. This PC is a 2.0Gz Dell Inspiron laptop running XP so it get rebooted every time I move to another client site. I cleaned it of factory junk on day one as well.
50 posted on 02/25/2003 9:40:58 AM PST by AdA$tra
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