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To: TJFLSTRAT
Saddam openly supports the "Hamas", and other terror org.'s. Therefore we are right to destroy his govt. and supporters

Hamas isn't threatening the U.S. IF we need to go to war against all terrorist groups, regardless of whether they've targeted the US, why don't we start in Northern Ireland? The IRA - and the protestant paramlitaries - have both killed Americans who happened to be present at their bombings. (Just as Hamas has killed Americans who happened to be present at their bombings)

No, I say we go to war only against groups -- or their suppliers -- who have attacked, purposefully, the US or its interests directly. That includes OBL, but Saddam isn't supporting him.

1,548 posted on 03/06/2003 6:26:12 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Are you on your knees behind the lectern here?


1,566 posted on 03/06/2003 6:29:06 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: churchillbuff
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear."
~Marcus Tullius Cicero, 42 B.C.
 
1,587 posted on 03/06/2003 6:31:55 PM PST by DoctorMichael ("Pacifism.......is Pro-Fascist" ~~~~~George Orwell)
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To: churchillbuff
The false premise of the left when they put up the NK strawman is that they aren't in favor of getting tough with NK either. It's basically a three card Monte game - the left wants us to take our eye off the Iraq card by distracting us with NK. If we could instantaneously shift our forces and be ready to engage NK they would have some reason why we shouldn't do so. It's a false argument and a false premise. The thing is that we have Iraq in our sights and this is our best and perhaps only chance to take care of hussein. The course is to do things in order, first hussein and then NK. The left wants us to do neither. The NK argument is a total fake out and it is made disingenuously.
1,589 posted on 03/06/2003 6:32:11 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: churchillbuff
What a complete and total waste it is to present you with facts. You just want to disrupt. Go away!
1,699 posted on 03/06/2003 6:56:25 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: churchillbuff
Here is the simple answer to your question. Containment Policy won’t work against Iraq because France, Germany and Russia are not willing to put the containment of Iraq above their individual interests.
1,883 posted on 03/06/2003 7:53:07 PM PST by Balata
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To: churchillbuff
Hamas isn't threatening the U.S.

Tell that to Steven Emerson- he's been right so far on virtually everything, from the Holy Land Foundation to Sami Al Arian...and no one listened :

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The Islamic Society of North America features speakers who have issued radical attacks on the United States, Christians and Jews as well as fundraising events for arrested terrorists. The United Association for Studies and Research is Hamas' strategic arm in the United States; its leader, Ahmed Yusef, has called for the annihilation of Jews. The Islamic Association for Palestine and it cousin charity, the Holy Land Fund for Relief and Development are Hamas fronts. The World Assembly for Muslim Youth and the International Institute for Islamic Thought are two wealthy Islamic foundations that provide millions of dollars to other smaller radical groups. The Muslim Arab Youth Association has featured speakers who openly exhort their followers in the United States to carry out suicide bombings.

MEQ: The MAYA conference included calls to commit violence in the United States?

Emerson: Calls for attacks against the United States do not differentiate geographically between in or outside the United States, at least in the materials I have examined. But bear two important facts in mind. Documents from the World Trade Center trial show that several of the conspirators attended the MAYA convention in Oklahoma City in December 1992; there is good reason to believe that they discussed the World Trade Center attack at that time. Also, American intelligence suspects the famous expatriate Saudi Usama bin Ladin has ties to the two bombings against American troops in Saudi Arabia as well as to the World Trade Center bombing; my evidence also shows he has a network of financial and political extremists operating throughout the United States.

... Emerson: Sure, but some of these reporters decline to accept evidence proving that the Hamas network in the United States is far more extensive than they report. I once offered a New York Times reporter documents clearly showing Hamas involvement with terrorism within the United States, to no avail. The Washington Post's assistant foreign editor, Jackson Diehl, has flatly ordered his reporters not to take documents proving Hamas terrorist activities in the United States. He has even changed the text submitted by Post reporters to reflect pro-Hamas sympathy.

2,082 posted on 03/06/2003 10:40:45 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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