Freeper Smokers: Please Help

me ^ | March 8, 2003 | me

[Im4Starr]

I'm putting together anything and everything I can get my hands on to stop the smoking nazi's from continuing to vilify smokers. I'm looking for articles, images, documentation, etc.

A futile effort, perhaps, but I don't want to be silent on this issue.

[Joe 6-pack]

WWW.SMOKETHIS.COM

[Morgan in Denver]

You say: "You can do anything you want in your own house. However, when your cigarette smoke begins to interfere with the health and enjoyment of others, it should be stopped."

By your warped logic, I continue to insist you do not use any perfume, cologne or aftershave. It does interfere with my health and enjoyment. I'm also not too fond of people protesting the war, which certainly interferes with my enjoyment of others. So, if you are doing any of those things, I can only presume you will stop it forthwith.

Any business or restaurant you may wish to visit is under no obligation to cater to your wishes. You have no right to force that business to adhere to your whims for health and enjoyment. You don't own the business and you are not responsible for it. If you don't like it, simple. Don't go there. But you have no right to demand others follow your lead.

There are plenty of restaurants I do not visit because they do not allow smoking. Do I have a right to insist they start allowing people to smoke? By your logic, I guess so. However, I respect their right to run their business as they see fit and my alternative is to not patronize that business.

I wish you and others would allow such choices and stop telling me what to do. Cannot you not understand that "you" are not God and "you" are not running the world. Deal with it.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Any business or restaurant you may wish to visit is under no obligation to cater to your wishes. You have no right to force that business to adhere to your whims for health and enjoyment.

So I guess you would have also fought the introduction of health inspectors into restaurants. What about all of the food preparation guidelines that must be followed. I suppose that is merely the nanny state imposing its will on the free market?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I will read it later. Though I must say that your propaganda is no more trustworthy than the other propaganda. Smoking is bad for people. Smoking kills people. People inhale cigarette smoke. This includes innocent bystanders who want no part of your habbit.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

1 out of 4 people are smokers...so what. First of all, that's a lot of people. More importantly, I don't care if only two people smoke, I still don't need them sitting ten ft away from me blowing smoke in my face. It is my business. Why don't you mind your own business, you classless fool.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I guess you'd like it if I lived next door to you and had parties until 4 am every night. I'd throw beer cans in my front yard, play loud music and fight. After you complained, I'd take that stupid little sign you posted and I'd plaster them all over my house for you to see.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I don't remember bitching about people smoking. I could give a damn if someone wants to smoke. I do give a damn when they want to spew their filthy smoke in my direction in a restaurant. Music and beer are legal too. That doesn't mean you'd want people playing loud music and getting drunk next door to you every night, does it? Grow up. As far as going to other restaurants, I said that I don't like the government making a ban on all smoking.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Cigarettes are a legal commodity. So?

[Morgan in Denver]

So I guess you would have also fought the introduction of health inspectors into restaurants. What about all of the food preparation guidelines that must be followed. I suppose that is merely the nanny state imposing its will on the free market?

Silly examples don't work. Food preparation for an unsuspecting public versus the legal right of a business to run their operation as they see fit by allowing a legal activity on the premises. Until you make smoking illegal, you have no right to insist on enforcing the nanny-state on a business.

Regardless, if there were no health inspectors restaurants would be open to law suits if they prepare anything that hurt unsuspecting patrons. As corrupt as many so-called inspectors are you may have a good point.

Smoking is hardly an unknown activity when you walk through the door. One wonders why in the world you would even want to go inside a business that has smoking? Why not just not go there? Is that so hard for you to understand? Are you incapable of making such a decision, meaning which places to patronize and which not?

[metesky]

I'm blowing smoke at your screen name as I type. I hope it gives your internet persona an online asthma attack.

[Madame Dufarge]

So I guess you would have also fought the introduction of health inspectors into restaurants. What about all of the food preparation guidelines that must be followed. I suppose that is merely the nanny state imposing its will on the free market?

Please, this "argument" has been refuted so many times that it has scar tissue.

Restaurant patrons are not privy to the goings on in a restaurant kitchen, so health inspectors are necessary agents acting on behalf of the public.

On the other hand, restaurant patrons know from the minute they enter whether or not smoking is allowed. They can choose to leave or remain at that point.

Since you state that no restaurants in Florida allow smoking anymore, you should be in Nirvana.

So other than being here to throw gratuitous insults about smoking, and otherwise committing first-degree pecksniffery, what's your complaint?

[metesky]

As a conservative, which by virtue of your being a Freeper I assume you are, you should be fighting to get the damn government out of the health care business and for the insurance companies to charge a higher premium to risk-takers, not bitching about how people consuming a legal product are costing you money.

Think, ladyjane, think!

[metesky]

Readers Digest did an article in 1958 on how, with the popularity of new fangled filter cigarettes, the entire country would be ankle deep in butts by 1990.

Like all apocalyptic prophesies it has not come to pass.

[metesky]

Regardless, if there were no health inspectors restaurants would be open to law suits if they prepare anything that hurt unsuspecting patrons.

This is what the Constitution envisioned, not smothering regulations. You screw up, you pay the piper, not a bunch of petty bureaucrats eating out our substance.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Did you see my post where I said that I voted against the constitutional amendment that passed in Florida?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

LOL. I won't even tell you what I'm doing to your internet persona as I type. :)

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

btw, if cigarettes aren't cutting it for you anymore, perhaps you can hook a hose up to a big rig exhaust pipe for some much needed carcinogens.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

What if I told you that almost 70% of voters voted for the constitutional amendment?

[Madame Dufarge]

Did you see my post where I said that I voted against the constitutional amendment that passed in Florida?

What's that got to do with your comment about health inspectors?

Oh, and forgive me if I'm a little skeptical about how you voted. Your vitriol seems to belie your statement.