Posted on 03/09/2003 6:53:32 AM PST by Wallaby
Edited on 03/09/2003 7:11:49 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Exactly my first thought after reading it, too.
If you think our lab dances are hot, you should see what the Society of Women Engineers can do with test stand, flourescent lights, some oil and a wind tunnel!
They come from relatively affluent backgrounds,"
I wonder how many times this Ron-Jeremy-lookalike (and probaby wannabe) was repelled by American women?
I have always heard about "hell hath no fury...", but Sheesh, I thought that applied to women only.
...and, no, ladies, I am not blaming this on you or anything like that
Well, as someone who remembers going to a NY University branch in the 60's, where they liked to bill themselves as an International school, easy commute from NYC, there were Syrians, Eqyptians, Iranians (who called themselves Persians) and if I recall correctly, Miss Japan. Quite an eclectic group of students.
These were the days when we were in close contact with the Shah of Iran, and it seemed that Iranians with money wanted their sons and daughters educated in America.
I remember going out with two of them but honestly don't remember what their religion was. They may have been muslim. One of them announced on the first coffee date that he was betrothed and would return home to marry. There was no second date.
The second was something of a ladies' man, had an apartment with 2 other guys off campus, and I remember there were some stories about wild parties. I didn't go out with this one again either - while he was pre-med as was I, it was obvious he was only out for one thing, and I wasn't.
Interestingly, he later became an American citizen and competed in skiing, representing America in the Olympics.
To this day, I beat most people at Backgammon - thanks to having played with the ME's at my college - the only thing I can look back at as having learned about or from them!!
Let's not forget our homegrown terrorists,either. Jesse Jackson went to school in Greensboro.
But I'll bet the Society of Women Engineers are HOTTIES!
Did anyone else find the Hoagland op-ed ('9/11 Mysteries in Plain Sight') in the today's Washington Post interesting?
It should be given its own thread . . .
How did al Qaeda, within two or three years, go from obscurity to becoming super-terrorists capable of blowing up U.S. embassies, warships and skyscrapers with astonishing precision? And what are the links between 9/11 and the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 by Ramzi Yousef, who authorities say is Mohammed's nephew?The captured viper also knows the answer to another question that should not be rushed past just because it is obvious: Why did he choose to hide in Rawalpindi, which is the headquarters of Pakistan's military and Inter-Service Intelligence agency, and which is immediately adjacent to the Pakistani diplomatic capital of Islamabad, where Ramzi Yousef was captured in 1995?
The U.S. media and government officials describe Mohammed and Yousef as "masters of disguise," and then assume they are who they say they are this time. There is scant reason to be so trusting. When Judge Kevin Thomas Duffy sentenced Yousef to life plus 240 years in 1998, he said: "We don't even know what your real name is."
Why two men from the remote and ungoverned Pakistani province of Baluchistan who grew up in Kuwait would devote their lives to killing Americans is a mystery. How they acquired prodigious masterminding skills and, at least in Mohammed's case, rabid Islamic fanaticism after lives of intellectual mediocrity and pleasure-seeking, also is a mystery. So is their connection, if any, to al Qaeda at the time of the first World Trade Center bombing. So is their instinctive flight in extremis to the power centers of Pakistan.
Mohammed migrated from the identity of small-time freelance terrorist to the top ranks of bin Laden's ultra-secretive band not long after the 1993 bombing resulted in the breakup of Yousef's U.S. network. Could al Qaeda have been the target of a takeover operation by an intelligence service with good legend-manufacturing skills and a great, burning desire for revenge on the United States?
That is a question U.S. investigators should push more actively. In "Study of Revenge," author Laurie Mylroie sketches the strong ties that Iraq's intelligence services have developed in Pakistani Baluchistan. And the Iraqi Embassy in Islamabad has been publicly identified by Secretary of State Colin Powell as a center for contact with al Qaeda.
According to the LAT, KSM's father was an Imam, his mother had a job laying out dead Muslim women at the Kuwaiti mosque, and his brother was a leader of the (extremist) Muslim Brotherhood at the University of Kuwait. At least two brothers of Mohammed (who didn't attend school in the U.S.) were killed as Mujadeen.
The assertion that Mohammed (if it's the same guy) "grew bitter in the West" is laughable.
Secondly, the AP infers that Mohammed's education was paid for by the Kuwaiti government: "the Kuwaiti government paid its citizens to attend universities in the United States. Engineering seems to be a draw because, perhaps, of Kuwait's oil production," but the LA Times story infers that he was not a citizen of Kuwait (which Kuwait now contends), because his parents were born in Pakistan (Baluchistan), and Kuwait does not confer citizenship on foreign workers. Mohammed's first passport was from Pakistan, and he returned to Pakistan, not Kuwait, after college -- which would seem to confirm Kuwait's contention.
It was assumed that Mohammed's family paid for his education in the LA Times story, but there are no facts as yet to confirm that.
I wonder if either college has records of where the tuition came from?
Here’s a link to the December LA Times story (which appears to be the basis for all subsequent stories), published in the “Black Voices” affiliate of the LA Times:
Black College grad is a high-ranking Al Qaeda member: Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the man believed to be behind 9/11, hides in plain sight -- and narrowly escapes capture in Pakistan.
Not surprising that the subject of Black Muslims is not raised, but it does expose the reason why Arab Muslims attended a small Baptist college: Chowan waived the English proficiency requirement. They would start there, gain some basic English, and move on to A&T.
If JJ is A&T’s most illustrious graduate, you’d have to seriously question their academic standards.
The English equivalency waiver made Chowan a conduit for Arab and Pakistani students. The president of Chowan said in recent TV interviews that he was promoting “international understanding,” but it's more likely that they, like many other small colleges, were/are more motivated by the financial windfall of paid-in-advance cash tuitions that foreign students offer -- whether they attend class or not.
As far as the motivation people disposed to violence, I understand them fine.
Bingo.
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ANGELA P. SWINSO, Staff Writer News & Record (Greensboro, NC) TRIAD/STATE, Pg. BH2 May 17, 1994, Tuesday, HIGH POINT EDITION GREENSBORO Some N.C. A&T State University students wanted a black studies program. They fought for it, and eventually, it was approved. UNCG student Sammy X Webb wanted to hear Khalid Muhammed speak. The university wouldn't pay for it, so he paid for it himself.
"In a political system, if you go to the people and they can't do it, you have to do it yourself," said Webb. He financed Muhammed's February visit to UNCG through a private company he formed called the Black Endowment Fund Promotions.
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"A campus is supposed to represent diversity. I'm a black Muslim. Why can't someone that represents my interest speak on campus?" William Buster, a junior history education major at A&T and a member of the History Club that spearheaded a successful battle for a mandatory black studies program, said sometimes students need to stand up for what's best for them, and not wait for university officials to make decisions. "I honestly feel that the administration does not have the black student's best interest at heart," said Buster, who was also a part of a group that approached chancellors from five predominantly black schools with concerns about last year's $ 310 million state universities improvement bond referendum. "I feel in a way that they have come to the idea that black universities have outlived their usefulness." But Willie Muhammed, a 1969 graduate of A&T, said although students have been taking stands on issues for years, things are a little different in the '90s. "The condition that they are found in today, somebody had to take a stand to put them in that condition," Muhammed said. Though he said he's pleased to see students make a difference, there should be more participation among students. "All of the governing organizations on campus should have one purpose, one plan and one voice." |
Indeed. That is the strongest statement suggesting anybody recognized this fellow, and it's *very* weak. Note also that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was indicted in New York seven years ago for his co-authorship, with WTC bomber Ramzi Yousef, of "Project Bojinka," a plot to blow up eleven US airliners in flight over the Pacific in one day of terror. According to the New York Times, US intelligence "knows a great deal about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed." And yet, to judge from these articles, his supposed classmates are only now hearing that he's a terrorist. Didn't the FBI check to see if the INS ever granted a visa to a "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed"? Something doesn't add up.
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