[B4Ranch]

Those of you who are Bush supporters and believe these unconstitutional actions by the government are justified to fight terrorism, just imagine -if you will - these same powers in the hands of Hillary Clinton.

[kesg]

I don't know squat about the merits of this legislation, but this tone and style of criticism mirrors the tone and style of criticism against war in Iraq and, more generally, the sophomoric approach of the political left. In other words, it is long on hysteria, hyberbole, and playing on emotion (especially fear) and short on actual cold, hard facts about what actually is (and is not) in the proposed legislation.

We are all familiar, and more than a bit tired and annoyed, at how liberals habitually take conservative proposals, twist them around, take them out of context, and then use it to smear their opponents (e.g. anyone who opposes affirmative action is a racist, anyone who opposes abortion hates women, anyone who opposes the UN, or favors national defense, is a warmonger, ad nauseum). A birdie, and years of experience reading dozens of scare articles just like this one, tells me that the exact same thing is happening here.

Don't try to scare me or call me names, just do a Sgt. Friday "give me the facts, ma'am." I'll make up my own mind on what these facts actually mean, thank you.

[upchuck]

Once again, I'm glad I'm 58 instead of 28.

[drypowder]

The fact that HC is now a senator, and regardless of how she got there, proves anything is possible. The terrorist could never do as much damage to this country as she would do as our President, certainly she would be worse at it than her husband and he really eft it up. Hopefully Bush and Ashcroft will consider that scenario thus ending all arguments favoring the Patriot Act and the Domestic Security Act.

[Centurion2000]

Just one question ... has this legislation even been submitted into any house of congress ?

[doug from upland]

Those of you who are Bush supporters and believe these unconstitutional actions by the government are justified to fight terrorism, just imagine -if you will - these same powers in the hands of Hillary Clinton.

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I will respectfully disagree with the criticism of Patriot II on the basis that Hillary Clinton might possess the power. God forbid that she should get back to the White House, but whether Patriot II is law would not matter to her. She would issue Presidential Decision Directives that would be the law. Who would stop her? Would 2/3 of the Senate vote to convict in an impeachment trial? No, they wouldn't. Her evil husband set the standard. No president will ever be convicted by the Senate unless one party has 67 members. So, Patriot II would not matter. The law would be what she said it was.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Patriot Act the only thing passed. There is no Patriot Act II.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Thats nice a draft of something that dont exist. Hmmm now where did i put that tin foil?

[madfly]

fyi

[Cultural Jihad]

"just imagine -if you will - these same powers in the hands of Hillary Clinton." We've seen this fantasy script reflected elsewhere in our culture ...

Inside the U.S. Senate ....

... Jar Jar Stoolie proposes granting emergency powers ...

... to Chancellor Bush, thereby dooming the Republic ...

... and paving the way for Darth Clinton ...

...to send in the stormtroopers ...

... and hassle the freaks.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

The only way the conservatives and liberals would unite would be never over something that does not exist.

MAYBE the leftists will back our armed forces in unity once ground troops move in-but I doubt it. The leftists are for polls and showboating and their ideals ONLY!

[F16Fighter]

Quite frankly, common sense dictates favoring anything the ACLU is against.

[habaes corpussel]

Anyone who supports this new act should be sent to the front as a human shield and chained there!

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

IS there such a thing as Patriot II? The last thread on this it was concluded that it does not exist.