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Special forces already inside Iraq: Chemical response expected to U.S. Operation Iraqi Freedom
NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES ^ | March 18, 2003 | Jim Miklaszewski

Posted on 03/18/2003 5:43:17 PM PST by estjohn

U.S. special forces and CIA agents have already entered Iraq and are scouting potential targets, gathering intelligence and preparing the battlefield for a U.S. invasion that would likely be code-named Operation Iraqi Freedom, military sources told NBC News on Tuesday.

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They also revealed that intelligence reports were indicating that Saddam was preparing to use chemical weapons against U.S. troops.

Artillery shells with chemical warheads were being handed out to troops of Saddam's elite Republican Guard at Al Kut, southeast of Baghdad, the reports indicated, while preparations were under way to coat bridges and roadways with a lethal VX nerve agent to slow U.S. troops on their advance to Baghdad.

U.S. intelligence reports also indicated that Saddam had as many as 50 unmanned drones he could use to attack U.S. troops with chemical weapons from the air, the sources told NBC News' Jim Miklaszewski.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chemical; iraq; iraqifreedom; vx; warlist
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Not sure if this has been posted but I haven't seen it and it didn't show up on search.

Are there countermeasures for VX on bridges? Can it be neutralized or do you just have to bypass it....

1 posted on 03/18/2003 5:43:18 PM PST by estjohn
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To: estjohn
Oops, screwed up the title, perhaps an admin can remove "For".
2 posted on 03/18/2003 5:45:02 PM PST by estjohn
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To: estjohn
We're bringing our own bridges
3 posted on 03/18/2003 5:45:41 PM PST by Tree of Liberty
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To: estjohn
Are there countermeasures for VX on bridges?

MOAB


4 posted on 03/18/2003 5:45:42 PM PST by Publius Maximus
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To: estjohn
I'd think that a wee splash of napalm would do the trick. Flame it off and keep going. The same would work for biological agents.
5 posted on 03/18/2003 5:45:51 PM PST by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: estjohn
Sadam is doing exactly what he's wanted to do all along: use WMD against Americans.

The Dim-Wit-Crats are doing exactly what they wanted to do all along: side with the enemy.

Bush is doing exactly what he said he would do all along: lead our nation in self-defence.
6 posted on 03/18/2003 5:45:58 PM PST by samtheman
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To: estjohn
The tip of the spear:
U.S. Marine Cpl. Brian Shumylo of Dyer, Ind., shields his face from blowing sand around the landing pad at an air base in Kuwait after arriving by helicopter from a ship Tuesday, March, 18, 2003. Shumylo is in a unit that helps load heavy-lifting helicopters. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)
Tue Mar 18, 3:03 PM ET

U.S. Marine Cpl. Brian Shumylo of Dyer, Ind., shields his face from blowing sand around the landing pad at an air base in Kuwait after arriving by helicopter from a ship Tuesday, March, 18, 2003. Shumylo is in a unit that helps load heavy-lifting helicopters. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)
A British soldier from the Dragoon Guards 3 Commando carries out training exercises in northern Kuwait, March 18, 2003. Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair, poised to take Britain to war, suffered two more ministerial resignations over Iraq on Tuesday ahead of what is expected to be a huge parliamentary rebellion over his hawkish policy.  REUTERS/POOL/Paul Grover
Tue Mar 18, 7:47 AM ET

A British soldier from the Dragoon Guards 3 Commando carries out training exercises in northern Kuwait, March 18, 2003. Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites), poised to take Britain to war, suffered two more ministerial resignations over Iraq (news - web sites) on Tuesday ahead of what is expected to be a huge parliamentary rebellion over his hawkish policy. REUTERS/POOL/Paul Grover

7 posted on 03/18/2003 5:47:47 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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To: pacman50
Ping!
8 posted on 03/18/2003 5:48:02 PM PST by cmsgop ( Arby's says no more Horsey Sauce for Scott Ritter !!!!)
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To: estjohn
but...but...he doesn't HAVE any weapons of mass destruction, right???????
9 posted on 03/18/2003 5:48:50 PM PST by CarmelValleyite
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To: estjohn
I was hoping the operation would be named "Frogger".
10 posted on 03/18/2003 5:49:20 PM PST by js1138
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To: estjohn
maybe I am missing something, but the units holding these VX weapons are going to be bombed, right? now when the bombs are dropped on these stockpiles, won't the nerve gas be released onto the Iraqi units holding them? I would also like to know why, if we somehow can know that this material is being deployed, why not hit the VX depot with a predator and release the material amongst the Iraqi troops in advance of our advance? who would even know it was us, the story could be that they exploded because of mishandling.
11 posted on 03/18/2003 5:50:52 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Just remember what you posted and be quiet.
12 posted on 03/18/2003 5:52:51 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: estjohn
Napalm will destroy any biological or chemical agent. We should clean it up and drop in the UN and on Paris.
13 posted on 03/18/2003 5:53:44 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: estjohn
VX on bridges, this might help with the cleanup.



14 posted on 03/18/2003 5:55:40 PM PST by LayoutGuru2 (Victor Boc -> 5-8 weekdays on 860 AM - Open your mind)
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To: estjohn
The Whore$ of France and Germany are responsible if any WMD stuff is used by the Islamofacist thugs of Soddamned.

If one of our troops is harmed by a WMD, we should boycott both countries for a decade. Below is a list of French Companies and Products we should be boycotting.

$crew the Frogs with buycotts for the rest of this decade. Here is a simple list of products not to buy:

Here is a list of French companies and their products to avoid for the rest of this decade. Please keep this list and send it to your relatives, friends and fellow conservatives via e and snail mail!

*New additions to the list thanks to Freepers. If you have an addition, Freepmail me with the URL showing French ownership.

Air France
Air Liquide
Airbus
Alcatel - Based in Paris France
Allegra (Allergy Medication) - Produced by Aventis Pharmaceuticals based in Strasbourg, France
Aqualung (Including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and SeaQuest)
AXA Advisors
*Bacou-Dalloz-Makes Industrial protective devices
Bank of the West - Owned by BNP Paribas
Beneteau (boats)
BF Goodrich - Owned by Michelin
BIC (Razors, Pens & Lighters) - Started in 1945 by Marcel Bich. Originally based just outside of Paris. Began trading on the Paris Stock Exchange in 1972. 40.5% Publicly traded. Bich family still owns 33.5%.
Biotherm (Cosmetics)
Black Bush
Bollinger (Champagne)
*Browning Firearms**
Car & Driver Magazine
Cartier
Chanel
Chivas Regal (Scotch)
Christian Dior
Club Med (Vacations) - Owned in part by Paris based CDC (Caisse des Dépôts
et Consignations)
Culligan (owned by Vivendi)
Dannon (Yogurt & Dairy Foods)
*Danone -Lea and Perrin, Evian and other food/water
*Decatholon Super Sport Stores or MVP Sport Stores*
* Dassault Systemes-(CATIA design software)*
DKNY - LVMH acquired 100% of Gabrielle Studio Inc., the privately owned licenser of Donna Karan trademarks back in 2001.
*DMC THREADS
Dom Perignon
Durand Crystal
Elle Magazine
*Emile Henry French Cookware
*Enertec makes high speed recorders used in Recon aircraft
Essilor Optical Products
Evian
Fina Oil - Billions invested in Iraqi Oil fields
First Hawaiian Bank
George Magazine
Givenchy
*Grey Goose Vodka
*GroupeSEB owns Krups, Moulinex, Roweta and Tefal Cookware
*Groupe Shneider, owner of Modicon and Square D
*Guerlain Fragrances
*Hachette Filipacchi owner publisher of many magazines sold in the USA. See the list below:***
Hennessy
Houghton Mifflin (books)
International Herald Tribune - 181 ave Charles-de-Gaulle - F-92521 Neuilly - FRSource:World Business Council for Sustainable Development '00 [Domain Registration], [Corporate Profile]
Jacobs Creek - Owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989
Jameson (wiskey)
Jerry Springer (talk show)
Krups
Lancome
*Lea & Perrins a product of Danon
Le Creuset (Cookware)
L'Oreal (Health & Beauty Products)
Louis Vuitton
Marie Claire
Martel Cognac
Maybelline
Méphisto (Footwear & Apparel)
Michelin (Tires & Auto Parts) - Their phone number is: (33) 1 45 66 15 53 in France
Mikasa Crystal and Glass (purchased by ARC int'l in 2001)
Moet (Champagne)
Motel 6 - 33, Avenue du Maine- 75755 Paris Cedex 15 France
Motown Records
MP3.com
Mumms (Champagne)
Nissan (Cars) - Majority owned by Renault
Nivea
Normany Butter
Parents Magazine
*Perrier
Peugeot (Automobiles) - Pronounced "Pooh Joe", must be French
Pierre Cardin
Playstation Magazine
ProScan - Owned by Thomson Electronics, France
Publicis Group (Including: Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising)
RCA (televisions & electronics) - Owned by Thomson Electronics, France
Red Magazine
Red Roof Inns - Owned by the Accor group based in France
Renault (Automobiles)
Road & Track Magazine
Roquefort Cheese - All Roquefort cheese is made in France
Rowenta (Toasters, Irons, Coffee makers, etc)
Royal Canadian
Salomon (Skis)
Seagram's Gin
Sierra Software and Computer Games
*Sodexho Alliance* French Food Caterer for the US Marines
Sofitel (Hotels) - Owned by the Accor group based in France
Sparkletts (Water) - Owned by Danone, based in France
Spencer Gifts
Sundance Channel
Taylor Made (Golf)
Technicolor
T-Fal (Kitchenware)
The Glenlivet (Scotch
*Top Tobacco - Dist. by Republic Tobacco L.P., Glenview IL, made in France
UbiSoft (Computer Games)
Uniroyal
Uniroyal Tires - Owned by Michelin
Universal Studios (Music, Movies & Theme Parks) - Universal Studios is owned by Vivendi-Universal, headquartered in Paris France
USFilter
Veritas Group
Veuve Clicquot Champagne
Vittel
Vivendi - Vivendi Headquarters, Paris France
Wild Turkey (bourbon)
*Winchester Firearms (US Repeating Arms)**
Woman's Day Magazine
Yoplait - France-based Sodiaal owns a 50% stake of Yoplait
Yves Saint Laurent
*Yves Rocher Cosmetics
*ZigZag (tobacco papers and roller products)*
Zodiac Inflatable Boats

*New additions to the list thanks to Freepers. If you have an addition, Freepmail me with the URL showing French ownership.
** Sad news but these two companies are owned by the Belgian Company Herstal, (French Light)
***List of 18 magazines sold in USA by Hachette Filipacchi with an estimated 50 million readers:
American Photo, Boating, Car Stereo Review's Mobile Entertainment, Cycle World, ELLE Decor, ELLEgirl, Flying, Home, Metropolitan Home, Popular Photography, Premiere, Sound & Vision, Travel Holiday, Woman's Day Woman's Day Special Interest Publications.



I'm asking for volunteers to create a good product list of alternative products. If you are an expert in a category or would like start a list of American or Ally products/services, let me know. I will list the alternative category and have your freeper name as the list keeper. That way people can freep you for your list. Once you get it set up and have a master copy in your FreepMail, you can just copy it for each reply to the request.



15 posted on 03/18/2003 5:57:21 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: estjohn
Operation Iraqi Freedom

Like the name.

16 posted on 03/18/2003 5:58:55 PM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: estjohn
no offense to saddam, who i am sure has spent a lot of time on this, but a fairly talented troop of boy scouts could get around his defenses. a big blu or two above artillery emplacements, and that particular profession will suddenly have as many openings as there were for web designers five years ago. as to vx on the bridges, our old friend mr. flamethrower will do a happydandy homer formby on those. i daresay the chief chem/bio problem we're likely to encounter will be the load in saddam's drawers when we find him. unless we're very quick on the trigger. hope somebody sneaks in a .45, because if there was ever anyone who deserved getting gutshot with hardball and given a painful hour or so to make peace with whatever he worships, it's him.

dep

p.s. -- too bad we don't have donohue on tonight, isn't it.

17 posted on 03/18/2003 5:59:18 PM PST by dep
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To: estjohn
Coating a bridge with VX? Man, talk about your crappy details! "Private Abdul, come here. Take this swab. When the rest of us are at a safe distance, open this can and coat the bridge with the liquid inside as fast as you can. It'll be OK, trust me..."
18 posted on 03/18/2003 6:01:39 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: estjohn
U.S. special forces and CIA agents have already entered Iraq

They have been there for months/years!

19 posted on 03/18/2003 6:04:36 PM PST by MindBender26 (.....and for more news as it happens...stay tuned to your local FReeper station....)
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To: estjohn
Are there countermeasures for VX on bridges? Can it be neutralized or do you just have to bypass it....

MOAB.

20 posted on 03/18/2003 6:06:18 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Let's Roll Already!)
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To: estjohn
Key Developments Concerning Iraq

Tuesday March 18, 2003 9:30 PM


%dheadline(^Key developments concerning Iraq<<%) Key developments concerning the diplomatic and military efforts to disarm Iraq

By The Associated Press

Developments in the Iraq crisis:

- Saddam Hussein defied the U.S. ultimatum to leave Iraq with his sons by Wednesday night or face war. Saddam appeared on television in military uniform for the first time since the 1991 Gulf War, warning his commanders to prepare for battle. Iraq's al-Shabab television, owned by Saddam's eldest son, Odai, said the decision to defy the ultimatum was made in a leadership meeting chaired by the Iraqi leader. Mobilized by a televised appeal, thousands of demonstrators swept into the streets of Baghdad to show their support for Saddam.

- A day after delivering the ultimatum in a televised address to the nation, President Bush reached out to the leaders of Russia and China, two countries that resisted setting an ultimatum for using force against Saddam. But Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao told Bush they still preferred a U.N.-brokered solution.

- French President Jacques Chirac, whose country led opposition to war within the U.N. Security Council, said the action Bush had chosen would undermine future efforts at peaceful disarmament.

- Secretary of State Colin Powell said that 30 nations declared varying levels of support for a war against Iraq as part of the administration's ``coalition of the willing,'' and 15 others gave their backing privately.

- Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa called off a possible last-minute peacemaking trip to Iraq, in what appeared to signal the end of Arab efforts to avert a war.

- Troops in the Kuwaiti desert loaded their ammunition and combat gear into fighting vehicles, ready to invade on short notice.

- Airlines around the world began canceling flights to the Middle East as fears of a war in Iraq kept passengers away in droves.

- U.N. weapons inspectors flew out of Iraq, the latest in a steady stream of foreigners to abandon Iraq in recent days. In Baghdad, residents stocked up on food, lined up for gas and taped their windows for fear of flying glass from U.S. bombs.

- Apparently jolted into action by Washington's ultimatum to Saddam, Iraqi Kurds left key cities for mountain villages seen as potential sanctuaries if Iraq retaliates against the Kurd's Western-protected enclave.

- Russian lawmakers postponed indefinitely a vote to ratify a U.S.-Russian nuclear arms treaty, as parliament speaker Gennady Seleznyov warned that a war against Iraq could endanger the pact. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2490190,00.html

21 posted on 03/18/2003 6:08:43 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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To: LayoutGuru2
I was wondering if you even need a flamethrower for the stuff. I thought that VX degraded and dispersed rapidly once out in the environment (sun, heat, wind).

Unless he's got some sort of extra-thick, extra-sticky "VX Bridge-Kote" how long would it stick around anyway?

LQ
22 posted on 03/18/2003 6:09:46 PM PST by LizardQueen
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To: LizardQueen
and i wonder if he developed some with grit mixed in, to provide traction on those dangerous slippery surfaces?

dep

23 posted on 03/18/2003 6:12:06 PM PST by dep
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To: LizardQueen
...how long would it stick around anyway?

Several weeks, by all reports. Pretty nasty stuff - it's one of the "area denial" agents. I found THIS information on it.

24 posted on 03/18/2003 6:14:58 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dep
I have been hunting for about 22 years,my heart shots last year were between 225-310 yards with my 7 mm mag .I know im not the best ,but it seams someone could take sadam out,given the new guns available,an the yardage away from target?
25 posted on 03/18/2003 6:15:31 PM PST by cabin
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To: Grampa Dave
Perrier

You should be aware that while the water comes from the south of France, the company is owned by Nestle a Swiss Entity.
If that matters to you.
26 posted on 03/18/2003 6:22:42 PM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: estjohn
"Are there countermeasures for VX on bridges?"

A few B-52's with a load of iron bombs to remove all traces of the contaminated bridge and then go about building a new one.
27 posted on 03/18/2003 6:29:01 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: estjohn; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; MadIvan; ...
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
28 posted on 03/18/2003 6:35:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Billthedrill
Thanks for the link, that was interesting.
Sounds like a tanker load full of Chlorox could clean up quite a bit of it.....

LQ
29 posted on 03/18/2003 6:35:24 PM PST by LizardQueen
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To: Grampa Dave
Now that I've printed and reviewed the list I can not believe how many products I have from this list!

Some very good products and I will have a hard time replacing them! But I will do it!!

Can I start with Smith and Wesson wheelgun(?) and Star semiautomatic (Spain I think).
30 posted on 03/18/2003 6:36:23 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: cabin
i believe we have a little something in heavy-barrel .308 that probably is the reason we won't be seeing saddam outdoors much in the coming days.

dep

31 posted on 03/18/2003 6:40:14 PM PST by dep
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To: Crusader21stCentury
Nestle buys the water from France. That's evil enough for me. No perrier.
32 posted on 03/18/2003 6:40:22 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Wow! That's the worst case of trench foot I've ever seen! ;-)
33 posted on 03/18/2003 6:42:26 PM PST by poindexter
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To: estjohn
Are there countermeasures for VX on bridges? Can it be neutralized or do you just have to bypass it....

Yes.

Do not take prisoners of any unit using chem/bio weapons.

34 posted on 03/18/2003 6:45:19 PM PST by PokeyJoe (BBQ Iraqi Pork Ribs for Dinner.)
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To: 3D-JOY
Some very good products and I will have a hard time replacing them! But I will do it!!

It's true that some of these companies are owned by French companies (at least in part) but many produce their products right here in America with American workers.

Boycotting French imports is one thing, but to boycott an American made product simply because it is owned by a French company is the ultimate in biting off ones nose to spite his face.

35 posted on 03/18/2003 6:48:32 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: TLBSHOW
"U.N. weapons inspectors flew out of Iraq, the latest in a steady stream of foreigners to abandon Iraq in recent days."

Why does my gut tell me there were hugs, tears and 'sorry, we tried' goodbyes?
36 posted on 03/18/2003 6:51:02 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us crush the gerdung, frunk and canadastan economies...)
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To: estjohn
It would of course depend on the application rates, but coating any appreciable amount of lane-miles with a large amount of substance would require MASSIVE quantities, so if they are willing to use their stocks in this fashion I say good. It will be impossible for the creeps to replace this inventory, and we can simply by-pass these contaminated routes. Far better then having our guys hit directly with the toxins in munitions; however, from the stand point of equipment all you would need is any standard highway ice/snow fighting, brine tanker sprayer truck driven by someone in REALLY GOOD protective gear, so I guess it wouldn`t be out of the question, technically speaking.
37 posted on 03/18/2003 6:52:01 PM PST by nomad
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To: nomad
I agree, but let's not forget. We knew most of what they had for over a decade and there is no doubt it was dramatically increased the last 4-5 years with no inspectors. I would imagine that their volumes and further WMD capabilities are far, far larger and greater than anyone knows for certain.
38 posted on 03/18/2003 6:55:16 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us crush the gerdung, frunk and canadastan economies...)
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To: big ern
Nestle buys the water from France.

Perrier is a wholly owned subsidiary of Nestle. They merely take the water from the ground and bottle it in France.
If you want to say no to Perrier that is up to you.
But if you want to prevent a single shekel from ending up with the French, you should boycott any goods that transit through France which is a major transit point for goods coming to the US.
39 posted on 03/18/2003 6:55:34 PM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: big ern
If any transaction I make actually puts a penny into the French, German, Chinese, Canadian or Russian economies, I won't make it. It's a bit of a chore, but thanks to FReepers, it's easier. And worth every second and every penny...
40 posted on 03/18/2003 6:57:01 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us crush the gerdung, frunk and canadastan economies...)
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To: estjohn
4 words: army corps of engineers. we'll build/bring our own
41 posted on 03/18/2003 6:57:11 PM PST by swaimh
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To: Grampa Dave
i'm not sure, but i thought napalm didn't burn hot enough to destroy vx. is that a misconception?
42 posted on 03/18/2003 7:00:13 PM PST by swaimh
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To: Grampa Dave


43 posted on 03/18/2003 7:02:17 PM PST by Registered
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To: estjohn
Haven't seen any other. Good find.
44 posted on 03/18/2003 7:13:59 PM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: 3D-JOY
Bummer about the Allegra - that's the only antihistamine I can take.

At least I don't drink Wild Turkey (not my brand!).

LQ
45 posted on 03/18/2003 7:21:57 PM PST by LizardQueen
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To: CharacterCounts
I agree and I will obviously review, where possible, the "MADE IN...." label.

I have no intention of putting Americans out of work.

Direct imports such as wine and water are easy choices for me! I still patronize the same stores and just switch products. Yes, delivery may be effected, but often distributors carry many lines.
46 posted on 03/18/2003 7:26:03 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: estjohn
"Are there countermeasures for VX on bridges? Can it be neutralized or do you just have to bypass it...."

There are neutralizing agents mixed with water, but it delays an offensive severely. Mixed with a minefield, a blown bridge, and VX, you could easily bog down a column for up to a day. You have to decontaminate, clear the minefield, then send in the engineers to build the bridge. There is a misconception that we'll be in Baghdad in 3 or 4 days. I strongly disagree. This is a war which will last 30-45 days, minimum. Alot depends on the deployment of biologicals, which are a bigger problem than chemical weapons.
47 posted on 03/18/2003 7:26:22 PM PST by Beck_isright (A good battle plan that you act on today can be better than a perfect one tomorrow. - Gen. Patton)
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To: Grampa Dave
Grampa, God Bless ya, but you left out the Belgian companies!!!
48 posted on 03/18/2003 7:27:16 PM PST by Beck_isright (A good battle plan that you act on today can be better than a perfect one tomorrow. - Gen. Patton)
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To: cabin
"I have been hunting for about 22 years,my heart shots last year were between 225-310 yards with my 7 mm mag .I know im not the best ,but it seams someone could take sadam out,given the new guns available,an the yardage away from target?"

There are 30 surgically altered bodyguards which look just like him. Unless your 7mm can penetrate 200 ft underground, I wouldn't get too hopeful. This will be a bloody war, I warn everyone now.
49 posted on 03/18/2003 7:28:33 PM PST by Beck_isright (A good battle plan that you act on today can be better than a perfect one tomorrow. - Gen. Patton)
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To: estjohn
while preparations were under way to coat bridges and roadways with a lethal VX nerve agent to slow U.S. troops on their advance to Baghdad.
This is on the heads of US DemRAT leaders & UN obstructionists, appeasers & "doves." The element of surprise has been lost due to YOUR sedition. SHAME!
50 posted on 03/18/2003 7:29:38 PM PST by Libertina (God Bless our Commander In Chief and our Troops!)
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